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		<title>By: New Collaboration with Planet Money &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Collaboration with Planet Money &#171; The Baseline Scenario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] important topics. The first one, National Debt for Beginners, went up today. Loyal readers of our Beginners series should recognize the format and style; Planet Money should help us reach a larger audience for this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sweden for Beginners &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweden for Beginners &#171; The Baseline Scenario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rmknox</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/financial-crisis-for-beginners/#comment-2865</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an ex employee ask me for a loan so he could buy a house. The loan brokers were prepared to give him a loan that was greater than his monthly pay check. Q:&quot;Francisco - how in the world will you pay&quot; A: &quot;We plan to stop paying our other bills for a few months and the house will go up so much that we will be able to refinance or sell it!&quot; I sat him and his wife down, explained the facts of life. Their eyes got bigger and bigger. Q: &quot;So you don&#039;t recommend ..? &quot;
The problem is that many people who were not sophisticated enough to understand what they were doing trusted their real estate salespeople and the loan brokers who backed them up.
Listen to the This American Life radio show from a year ago (listed at top of the article). It&#039;s an eye opener.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an ex employee ask me for a loan so he could buy a house. The loan brokers were prepared to give him a loan that was greater than his monthly pay check. Q:&#8221;Francisco &#8211; how in the world will you pay&#8221; A: &#8220;We plan to stop paying our other bills for a few months and the house will go up so much that we will be able to refinance or sell it!&#8221; I sat him and his wife down, explained the facts of life. Their eyes got bigger and bigger. Q: &#8220;So you don&#8217;t recommend ..? &#8221;<br />
The problem is that many people who were not sophisticated enough to understand what they were doing trusted their real estate salespeople and the loan brokers who backed them up.<br />
Listen to the This American Life radio show from a year ago (listed at top of the article). It&#8217;s an eye opener.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kwak</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/financial-crisis-for-beginners/#comment-2836</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kwak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ricky: The link is that many borrowers probably didn&#039;t expect to be able to pay the mortgages out of their current income, especially when the adjustable rates reset upward; or, at least, the lenders didn&#039;t expect them to be able to pay. The assumption was that housing prices would keep going up, which gives the borrower two options: (1) sell the house to pay off the mortgage and pocket a small profit; or (2) refinance when the interest rate resets. When housing prices go down instead of up, both of those become impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ricky: The link is that many borrowers probably didn&#8217;t expect to be able to pay the mortgages out of their current income, especially when the adjustable rates reset upward; or, at least, the lenders didn&#8217;t expect them to be able to pay. The assumption was that housing prices would keep going up, which gives the borrower two options: (1) sell the house to pay off the mortgage and pocket a small profit; or (2) refinance when the interest rate resets. When housing prices go down instead of up, both of those become impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: ricky ricardo</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/financial-crisis-for-beginners/#comment-2818</link>
		<dc:creator>ricky ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;when housing prices began to fall, many more borrowers became delinquent than had been expected.&lt;&lt;

I have read a version of this many many times, but don&#039;t entirely understand. There is no necessary relationship between the decline in prices and delinquency, is there? Individuals&#039; cash flows/incomes didn&#039;t change because their houses&#039; values dropped, so theoretically they could have just kept paying their mortgage (although with great bitterness), right? So what is the relationship between falling prices and delinquency? Is it that the buyers thought they could sell the house for a good profit before their rates adjusted upward, or before their inability to pay at the current rate caught up with them? Thank you! Fantastic site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;when housing prices began to fall, many more borrowers became delinquent than had been expected.&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>I have read a version of this many many times, but don&#8217;t entirely understand. There is no necessary relationship between the decline in prices and delinquency, is there? Individuals&#8217; cash flows/incomes didn&#8217;t change because their houses&#8217; values dropped, so theoretically they could have just kept paying their mortgage (although with great bitterness), right? So what is the relationship between falling prices and delinquency? Is it that the buyers thought they could sell the house for a good profit before their rates adjusted upward, or before their inability to pay at the current rate caught up with them? Thank you! Fantastic site!</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Crisis for Beginners &#8212; Moola Mania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Crisis for Beginners &#8212; Moola Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Johnson&#8217;s blog has a good starting point Financial Crisis for Beginners. His explanation about CDOs is right on point. You will be able to grasp his thoughts even if you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Financial Crisis for Beginners &#171; Facing the Mortgage Crisis</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Financial Crisis for Beginners &#171; Facing the Mortgage Crisis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of this resource which I found today while looking at the Planet Money blog. The site is called The Financial Crisis for Beginners and describes itself by saying: We believe that everyone should be able to understand how the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Kwak</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/financial-crisis-for-beginners/#comment-2365</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subbu: Those are sort of apples and oranges. $60 trillion is the estimated face value of the CDS outstanding, meaning that if every single insured bond defaulted, $60 trillion would have to change hands. But, assuming that every insurer had enough cash to settle, there would be no net loss of money; CDS settlement is a zero-sum game. The problem with CDS is that if some of the insurers don&#039;t have enough cash on hand, that creates counterparty risk, and uncertainty, and fear. $700 billion is new capital for financial institutions to try to remove the fear of them running out of money. 

That said, those institutions can take losses on many things other than CDS, and many of those things are not zero-sum. For example, when mortgage-backed securities fall in value, everyone holding them loses money, and may need new capital to compensate. So the real question is whether $700 billion is enough relative to the cumulative asset writedowns being taken by banks. My guess is no, but it is the right order of magnitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subbu: Those are sort of apples and oranges. $60 trillion is the estimated face value of the CDS outstanding, meaning that if every single insured bond defaulted, $60 trillion would have to change hands. But, assuming that every insurer had enough cash to settle, there would be no net loss of money; CDS settlement is a zero-sum game. The problem with CDS is that if some of the insurers don&#8217;t have enough cash on hand, that creates counterparty risk, and uncertainty, and fear. $700 billion is new capital for financial institutions to try to remove the fear of them running out of money. </p>
<p>That said, those institutions can take losses on many things other than CDS, and many of those things are not zero-sum. For example, when mortgage-backed securities fall in value, everyone holding them loses money, and may need new capital to compensate. So the real question is whether $700 billion is enough relative to the cumulative asset writedowns being taken by banks. My guess is no, but it is the right order of magnitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Subbu</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/financial-crisis-for-beginners/#comment-2338</link>
		<dc:creator>Subbu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mention that the estimates as to CDS are generally around $60 trillion and CDS is what has amplified the current problem. In such a scenario, $700 billion as a bailout package appears to be ridiculously insufficient - even considering that it did not let AIG to fail: afterall the US Govt. is the majority stakeholder in AIG now and thereby the owner of the CDS problems too! Is the US government being overly optimistic in its assesment of the problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mention that the estimates as to CDS are generally around $60 trillion and CDS is what has amplified the current problem. In such a scenario, $700 billion as a bailout package appears to be ridiculously insufficient &#8211; even considering that it did not let AIG to fail: afterall the US Govt. is the majority stakeholder in AIG now and thereby the owner of the CDS problems too! Is the US government being overly optimistic in its assesment of the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the logic behind $700 billions? Why not $800 or $600 billions? I haven&#039;t seen any news on how this figure was arrived. Only thing I heard was that &#039;it (bailout package) has to be big&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the logic behind $700 billions? Why not $800 or $600 billions? I haven&#8217;t seen any news on how this figure was arrived. Only thing I heard was that &#8216;it (bailout package) has to be big&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Economy...how did this really happen? - Page 2 - Diesel Forum - The Diesel Stop.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Economy...how did this really happen? - Page 2 - Diesel Forum - The Diesel Stop.com</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Paresh Nawale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paresh Nawale</dc:creator>
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		<description>Good article I found it very helpful
Thanks</description>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A million (or should I say a trillion) thanks for publishing the web site and the 2 web casts, I´m learning a lot and they are very interesting.  Thank God you´re speaking to the US government, I just hope they are listening!</description>
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		<title>By: d</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/financial-crisis-for-beginners/#comment-1800</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one who likes to consider himself accountable for ones own actions, I find it amazing that in all the media discussion and on this site purported to &#039;explain&#039; the crisis there is no discussion of the macroeconomic conditions that put this in motion.  One would think the crisis began with the financial collapse this summer.  Somewhat like the view that late stage cancer started with the diagnosis.  

If one is to understand and prevent this in the future it must first be diagnosed properly.  Certainly the collapse highlighted greed and incompetence, but the bets that collapsed were based on beliefs that US consumers would continue to pay their mounting debts (based on ever increasing housing prices).  Kind of like the logic that internet firm stocks can justify stratosperic prices even if they don&#039;t now and will not have in the forseable future any profits.  

The real beginning of this mess began in the early 90&#039;s when US consumer spending declined from a steady 8-9% of disposable income and consumer debt rose dramatically to ~130% of disposible income.  For close to 20 years most American consumers have been living $100,000 lifestyles on $60,000 incomes.  This was encouraged by everyone from our politicians (even the very ones now proclaiming surprise that this could happen) who consistently encourage the Fannies to loan money to those who can&#039;t afford it, to the firms who profited from the ~20 years or deficit spending.  

Without understanding fundamentals like this one can&#039;t clearly see the path forward.  Calls for lending to get back to where it was ignores the fact the average american consumer is already overburdened with debt.  Hopes that a bailout of auto-industry and their union employees whose compensation is 50%+ more than the average american ignore the fundamental cost disadvantage they have vs their counterparts.  Japanese companies have made cars (and money) in the US for over 25 years.  Providing money to the US automakers now will only delay the inevitable and provide taxpayer support to private equity firms (who are prudent enough not to invest more in their progeny) and the unions (who democrats are beholding to).  The Detroit titans will be back at the trough because they have fundamentally unsound cost structures and legacy costs.  Their unions (seeing the writing on the wall) are hoping they can get the US public (who is on average paid much less well) will bail them out of their imprudent deals obtained through collusion with auto management (i.e., I&#039;ll demand less in pay now for the promise of unrealistic riches in the future).  Politicians understand this logic as they are forever ignoring fixing Social Security or other problems so as to be able to promise new goodies to constituents now (witness the promises many public sector unions have wrangled from them for future benefits.  New York City won&#039;t be the only one struggling to pay for these and basic services in the coming years.).  

To some degree bailouts might be necessary to stabilize a financial system or &#039;cushion the transition&#039; to a less materialistic US lifestyle, but unless one recognizes the US consumer debt burden and diagnoses the problem appropriately the proper plans and actions will never be taken.  A focus on the financial market excesses is very appropriate, but while it might be the visible factor that precipitated our problem, it is the American consumer and their politicians desire to live beyond their means that is the fundamental trigger of all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who likes to consider himself accountable for ones own actions, I find it amazing that in all the media discussion and on this site purported to &#8216;explain&#8217; the crisis there is no discussion of the macroeconomic conditions that put this in motion.  One would think the crisis began with the financial collapse this summer.  Somewhat like the view that late stage cancer started with the diagnosis.  </p>
<p>If one is to understand and prevent this in the future it must first be diagnosed properly.  Certainly the collapse highlighted greed and incompetence, but the bets that collapsed were based on beliefs that US consumers would continue to pay their mounting debts (based on ever increasing housing prices).  Kind of like the logic that internet firm stocks can justify stratosperic prices even if they don&#8217;t now and will not have in the forseable future any profits.  </p>
<p>The real beginning of this mess began in the early 90&#8217;s when US consumer spending declined from a steady 8-9% of disposable income and consumer debt rose dramatically to ~130% of disposible income.  For close to 20 years most American consumers have been living $100,000 lifestyles on $60,000 incomes.  This was encouraged by everyone from our politicians (even the very ones now proclaiming surprise that this could happen) who consistently encourage the Fannies to loan money to those who can&#8217;t afford it, to the firms who profited from the ~20 years or deficit spending.  </p>
<p>Without understanding fundamentals like this one can&#8217;t clearly see the path forward.  Calls for lending to get back to where it was ignores the fact the average american consumer is already overburdened with debt.  Hopes that a bailout of auto-industry and their union employees whose compensation is 50%+ more than the average american ignore the fundamental cost disadvantage they have vs their counterparts.  Japanese companies have made cars (and money) in the US for over 25 years.  Providing money to the US automakers now will only delay the inevitable and provide taxpayer support to private equity firms (who are prudent enough not to invest more in their progeny) and the unions (who democrats are beholding to).  The Detroit titans will be back at the trough because they have fundamentally unsound cost structures and legacy costs.  Their unions (seeing the writing on the wall) are hoping they can get the US public (who is on average paid much less well) will bail them out of their imprudent deals obtained through collusion with auto management (i.e., I&#8217;ll demand less in pay now for the promise of unrealistic riches in the future).  Politicians understand this logic as they are forever ignoring fixing Social Security or other problems so as to be able to promise new goodies to constituents now (witness the promises many public sector unions have wrangled from them for future benefits.  New York City won&#8217;t be the only one struggling to pay for these and basic services in the coming years.).  </p>
<p>To some degree bailouts might be necessary to stabilize a financial system or &#8216;cushion the transition&#8217; to a less materialistic US lifestyle, but unless one recognizes the US consumer debt burden and diagnoses the problem appropriately the proper plans and actions will never be taken.  A focus on the financial market excesses is very appropriate, but while it might be the visible factor that precipitated our problem, it is the American consumer and their politicians desire to live beyond their means that is the fundamental trigger of all this.</p>
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		<title>By: The Goldwatcher &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BRETTON WOODS : TIME FOR REVISION?</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Goldwatcher &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BRETTON WOODS : TIME FOR REVISION?</dc:creator>
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