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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-39133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 02:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are &quot;teachers&#039; credit unions&quot;, &quot;police credit unions&quot; and &quot;military credit unions&quot;. 

Ted K&#039;s point was that anyone in those lines of work have had the credit union option for a long time and should have availed themselves of it.  (Most did.)  It was only recently that *everyone* had access to credit unions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are &#8220;teachers&#8217; credit unions&#8221;, &#8220;police credit unions&#8221; and &#8220;military credit unions&#8221;. </p>
<p>Ted K&#8217;s point was that anyone in those lines of work have had the credit union option for a long time and should have availed themselves of it.  (Most did.)  It was only recently that *everyone* had access to credit unions.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-39132</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 02:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely.  Remember, all the big evil banks started out as small banks.  In many cases they became evil, *then* they got big....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.  Remember, all the big evil banks started out as small banks.  In many cases they became evil, *then* they got big&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-39131</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 02:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, actually I&#039;ve met some Tea Partiers.

They are *VERY IGNORANT* conspiracy theorists.

Hearts in the right place perhaps, but brains?  Not so much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, actually I&#8217;ve met some Tea Partiers.</p>
<p>They are *VERY IGNORANT* conspiracy theorists.</p>
<p>Hearts in the right place perhaps, but brains?  Not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-39130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 02:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is this direct deposit nonsense?

I&#039;ve never met an employer who would refuse to mail you a paycheck which you could walk in and deposit where-ever you want.

&quot;Then there’s the issue that if you go a month without direct deposit many checking accounts will charge you a fee, &quot;

Oh.  Any bank that does that should not be patronized.

Most *good* banks and credit unions simply have minimum balances to avoid &quot;account maintenance fees&quot;.  Save up that balance (cash will do nicely) and deposit it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this direct deposit nonsense?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never met an employer who would refuse to mail you a paycheck which you could walk in and deposit where-ever you want.</p>
<p>&#8220;Then there’s the issue that if you go a month without direct deposit many checking accounts will charge you a fee, &#8221;</p>
<p>Oh.  Any bank that does that should not be patronized.</p>
<p>Most *good* banks and credit unions simply have minimum balances to avoid &#8220;account maintenance fees&#8221;.  Save up that balance (cash will do nicely) and deposit it.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-37447</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, I and my best friend have experience with the local credit union, and that institution is one big screw-up factory. They are constantly getting basic account maintenance issues wrong. Recently I opened a CD with the CU in question. They inexplicably shifted the money into a checking account that paid virtually no interest. When I asked for a correction, they sent a CD receipt with a 60-month maturity date instead of the 30-month I signed up for.

Big banks don&#039;t have a monopoly on inefficiency. I&#039;m just sayin&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I and my best friend have experience with the local credit union, and that institution is one big screw-up factory. They are constantly getting basic account maintenance issues wrong. Recently I opened a CD with the CU in question. They inexplicably shifted the money into a checking account that paid virtually no interest. When I asked for a correction, they sent a CD receipt with a 60-month maturity date instead of the 30-month I signed up for.</p>
<p>Big banks don&#8217;t have a monopoly on inefficiency. I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-37446</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice way to get the hate on there, Ted. Typical intolerance of the elite. Do you actually know any Tea Partyers personally?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice way to get the hate on there, Ted. Typical intolerance of the elite. Do you actually know any Tea Partyers personally?</p>
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		<title>By: Windmill</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-37444</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Windmill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moving funds out of banks hurts them. And here is why it does. When you pull your money out of a bank, you reduce their deposits and that tends to make them over-loaned. At least theoretically, they can&#039;t loan out more than they have received from depositors. Which means they don&#039;t have any more money to loan. That hurts the bank. The corollary is that moving funds in fact aids the new bank by increasing its deposits thereby giving it more money to loan and leaving it in a more balanced loan position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving funds out of banks hurts them. And here is why it does. When you pull your money out of a bank, you reduce their deposits and that tends to make them over-loaned. At least theoretically, they can&#8217;t loan out more than they have received from depositors. Which means they don&#8217;t have any more money to loan. That hurts the bank. The corollary is that moving funds in fact aids the new bank by increasing its deposits thereby giving it more money to loan and leaving it in a more balanced loan position.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Escherich</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-37416</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you really want to hurt a bank, this is not the way to do it. Remember, in the upside-down world of banking, your checking and savings accounts, certificates of deposit, etc., are their liabilities (potential payouts) and your loans, credit cards, lines of credit, and so on, are their assets (potential income). Pulling your checking and savings out of a major bank actually reduces their liabilities.

Instead, keep your checking and savings at the major bank, but pay off your loans and credit cards with them. This way you reduce their assets while leaving their liabilities intact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really want to hurt a bank, this is not the way to do it. Remember, in the upside-down world of banking, your checking and savings accounts, certificates of deposit, etc., are their liabilities (potential payouts) and your loans, credit cards, lines of credit, and so on, are their assets (potential income). Pulling your checking and savings out of a major bank actually reduces their liabilities.</p>
<p>Instead, keep your checking and savings at the major bank, but pay off your loans and credit cards with them. This way you reduce their assets while leaving their liabilities intact.</p>
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		<title>By: JerryJ</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-37324</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A negative &quot; undivided profits&quot; account  means that cumulatively the bank has posted more losses and paid out more dividends than it has made profits. It means  the bank is living off it&#039;s permanent  capital  put in by investors. 


The more subordinated debt the better so long as the banks basic capital of Stock and Paid in Capital is intact and not eaten into by negative &quot; surplus&quot; accounts. Subordinated Debt is just that. Other creditors and depositors are senior to subordinated debt. There are a number of types of subordinated debt.  A lot of this debt is also convertible to capital at special prices  that make it attractive to investors. This same debt often is  satisfiable at the option of the issuer in shares.  There are all kinds of gradations of subordination.  Here it is very important to understand the details of subordinated and other debt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A negative &#8221; undivided profits&#8221; account  means that cumulatively the bank has posted more losses and paid out more dividends than it has made profits. It means  the bank is living off it&#8217;s permanent  capital  put in by investors. </p>
<p>The more subordinated debt the better so long as the banks basic capital of Stock and Paid in Capital is intact and not eaten into by negative &#8221; surplus&#8221; accounts. Subordinated Debt is just that. Other creditors and depositors are senior to subordinated debt. There are a number of types of subordinated debt.  A lot of this debt is also convertible to capital at special prices  that make it attractive to investors. This same debt often is  satisfiable at the option of the issuer in shares.  There are all kinds of gradations of subordination.  Here it is very important to understand the details of subordinated and other debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Kaminski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-37303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Kaminski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Teachers, firemen, policemen and members of the military all have government jobs. Are all those folks members of a bad gene pool? Who then would be helping the people with good genes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teachers, firemen, policemen and members of the military all have government jobs. Are all those folks members of a bad gene pool? Who then would be helping the people with good genes?</p>
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		<title>By: Windmill</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-37297</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Windmill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In choosing a new bank, here are a few things to consider. Look at their capital structure. Many failed banks have inadequate capital. How did they get in this situation? Here&#039;s one example. Some banks have an account named “Undivided Profits”. There is nothing unusual here except you would expect the account to always have a positive balance. Not so. Many have negative balances. What kind of accounting is this? There should be a rule preventing negative balances in this account. These negative balances reduce capital. In some banks, these balances move from positive to negative and in some cases increase from quarter to quarter.




What is the nature of their “Cash Account”? Do they have any money of their own? If all they have is what is owed them from other depository institutions or in the process of collection, then caution is warranted. What if the Federal Reserve Board owes them money? It may be easier for the Fed to close this bank than pay the bank. Some banks don&#039;t even have to report the detail of what is in their “Cash” account. How do you evaluate them?




Another example is their “Other Borrowed Finds” and “Subordinated Debt” accounts. When these balances are a significant part of their liabilities, their risk is increased and contributes to being over-loaned. 




Are they buying or selling Fed funds? Many banks just borrow more to loan out thereby increasing their risk. The better banks instead have lent their money to the Feds.




It is very evident in some cases which banks have made adjustments since June 30, 2008. Rather than stick their head in the sand with business as usual, they have cleaned up their balance sheets and improved their capital positions.




It is not enough to just go pick out a local or community bank and hope for the best. As for credit unions, how are you going to evaluate them when there is no data available? I would agree with some bloggers if things had not changed. It used to be that they were private entities of a company or non-profit. Now anybody can join with a $100.00 deposit. I suspect they are also over-loaned and subject to too much risk.




If you are looking for a new bank and need help, then you need to visit http://www.soundusbanks.com/index.html. You know who you are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In choosing a new bank, here are a few things to consider. Look at their capital structure. Many failed banks have inadequate capital. How did they get in this situation? Here&#8217;s one example. Some banks have an account named “Undivided Profits”. There is nothing unusual here except you would expect the account to always have a positive balance. Not so. Many have negative balances. What kind of accounting is this? There should be a rule preventing negative balances in this account. These negative balances reduce capital. In some banks, these balances move from positive to negative and in some cases increase from quarter to quarter.</p>
<p>What is the nature of their “Cash Account”? Do they have any money of their own? If all they have is what is owed them from other depository institutions or in the process of collection, then caution is warranted. What if the Federal Reserve Board owes them money? It may be easier for the Fed to close this bank than pay the bank. Some banks don&#8217;t even have to report the detail of what is in their “Cash” account. How do you evaluate them?</p>
<p>Another example is their “Other Borrowed Finds” and “Subordinated Debt” accounts. When these balances are a significant part of their liabilities, their risk is increased and contributes to being over-loaned. </p>
<p>Are they buying or selling Fed funds? Many banks just borrow more to loan out thereby increasing their risk. The better banks instead have lent their money to the Feds.</p>
<p>It is very evident in some cases which banks have made adjustments since June 30, 2008. Rather than stick their head in the sand with business as usual, they have cleaned up their balance sheets and improved their capital positions.</p>
<p>It is not enough to just go pick out a local or community bank and hope for the best. As for credit unions, how are you going to evaluate them when there is no data available? I would agree with some bloggers if things had not changed. It used to be that they were private entities of a company or non-profit. Now anybody can join with a $100.00 deposit. I suspect they are also over-loaned and subject to too much risk.</p>
<p>If you are looking for a new bank and need help, then you need to visit <a href="http://www.soundusbanks.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.soundusbanks.com/index.html</a>. You know who you are.</p>
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		<title>By: oldgal</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-37294</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a retired employee of Wells and my husband is a retired employee of BOA.  As such there are many benefits to maintaining our accounts there...nonetheless we occasionally consider moving them.  Every time we hear about retaining the best and the brightest we cringe - the best and the brightest were driven out in the acquisitions of the late 90s.  These two banks went from focusing on running good solid operations to making the numbers - and they will make the numbers no matter how much creativity and stupidity is required.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a retired employee of Wells and my husband is a retired employee of BOA.  As such there are many benefits to maintaining our accounts there&#8230;nonetheless we occasionally consider moving them.  Every time we hear about retaining the best and the brightest we cringe &#8211; the best and the brightest were driven out in the acquisitions of the late 90s.  These two banks went from focusing on running good solid operations to making the numbers &#8211; and they will make the numbers no matter how much creativity and stupidity is required.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Enrique</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-37280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luis Enrique]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Maybe next Arianna Huffington can get everyone to pull their money out of actively managed mutual funds ... Now that would be good for everyone&quot;

what? have you heard of price discovery and capital allocation? what would the trackers track if everyone was a tracker? Investing in trackers an example of an individually rational act in the same vein as free-riding is a rational act in a public good setting. We need more active investment, not less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe next Arianna Huffington can get everyone to pull their money out of actively managed mutual funds &#8230; Now that would be good for everyone&#8221;</p>
<p>what? have you heard of price discovery and capital allocation? what would the trackers track if everyone was a tracker? Investing in trackers an example of an individually rational act in the same vein as free-riding is a rational act in a public good setting. We need more active investment, not less.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-37270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You get higher rates on savings/checking and lower rates on loans at Credit Unions.  If you have any kind of savings the interest advantage will more than make-up for the bank exit fees.  Even if your account balance is low, the lower mortgage rates at Credit Unions will makeup for the bank exit fees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You get higher rates on savings/checking and lower rates on loans at Credit Unions.  If you have any kind of savings the interest advantage will more than make-up for the bank exit fees.  Even if your account balance is low, the lower mortgage rates at Credit Unions will makeup for the bank exit fees.</p>
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		<title>By: LJM</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/30/whats-in-your-wallet/#comment-37269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LJM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have an account with any of those big banks, but I think it&#039;s a good idea.  I bank with local banks and I have friends who are happy with their credit unions.  It may be a hassle to change banks, but how else do we make the point that we don&#039;t approve of &quot;too big to fail.&quot;  To really make an impact, students would have to get their universities to switch banks and same goes for pension funds.  It worked in South Africa to end apartheid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have an account with any of those big banks, but I think it&#8217;s a good idea.  I bank with local banks and I have friends who are happy with their credit unions.  It may be a hassle to change banks, but how else do we make the point that we don&#8217;t approve of &#8220;too big to fail.&#8221;  To really make an impact, students would have to get their universities to switch banks and same goes for pension funds.  It worked in South Africa to end apartheid.</p>
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