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		<title>By: whydestiny.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You comment is correct but have no any ideas to help us. Below is the ideas please read it.


Dear President Obama:

	You promise to make changes when you ran for president and it seems you did nothing new after you get into the position because you are still controlled by the old concept of consumption. This financial crisis is obviously due to over consumption. Seeking a high GDP has made our earth, our country, our banks and our people broken. Saving the economic by stimulating consumption therefore is wrong. Just like little Bush led us to wars you are leading us in the wrong direction and America can not afford to pay for these kinds of huge mistakes again and again. 
	At this moment, government can not rely upon any business company but has to deal with the unemployment problem directly.  Creating jobs in not business owner’s obligation. Their goal is to make profit. If they can simply make profit from oversea investments, from international trading and from the stock market, why should they bother to create jobs – dealing with unions, labor department and health insurance companies? This is a new trend that we should have noticed a long time ago. Stimulating consumption will help people in the other countries get jobs only. Capitalists will not come back if rent, minimum salary rate and health insurance rates do not go down in the Unite States. 
	Government should directly create jobs instead of giving out money to the banks and to the cars or houses purchases. The easiest way is to let people share all the government jobs. Government jobs paid by tax payer’s money should benefit as many people as possible at this moment.  New York City employee’s average annual income and benefit combined together is $100,000, money that can support two to three families. Another fast way to stimulate the real estate market is to give citizenship to foreigners who invest two millions dollars in our market. 
	Government should use capitalist concepts and socialist mind to solve problems at this special and new situation. At the last few chapters of a book “ Why Life Events are Predestined and How Our Universe Originated” has some very good methods to deal with this financial mess.
	Using fund that we bail out banks and funds we gave to the cars or houses purchasers we can build up government own properties such as retirement home or factory facilities. To the people who willing to retire earlier (55 years old) we can provide them free housing and substitute that as social security checks before they are 68 years old.(people who unwilling to accept the deal get nothing before 68 years old) The retirement homes can be built in the place near colleges and let students learn things by participating in their management. Every week they have trip to the city or somewhere. Retirement homes have different levels base on the social security that people contributed. It will provide garden, cooking, dancing, computer course, and poker games there. People can transfer to different retirement homes all over the country and can register in with friends. 
 In case we build up 10,000 retirement homes in all over the country, the construction projects will create up to 1,000,000 jobs immediately. In case every retirement home has one hundred rooms that will encourage 1,000,000 people to retire and leave their jobs open. We can use government’s land in suburbs and use the labors of those collecting unemployment to build the retirement homes. In case each retirement home cost 3 million dollars and that allow us saving $700 dollars from each person every month. One hundred rooms will create $840,000 indirect income for the government each year. Within five years investment in a retirement home will be returned and these kinds of government own property will continue substitute for social security checks for at least 50 years. That means it will create $37,800,000 for the government in long term.
	 We can also build up factory facilities in the places where there is a high unemployment rate. Those facilities can be used for free for the businesses that are willing to create jobs for the market. With the free rental and minimum pay salary rate businesses should have better chances to make profits. Later government can share the profits and get the rent back. 
We can also encourage college students and youth to compose business ideas. Government should back financially those practical ideas, helping them to build up connections. Government is entitled to share profits later. All these processes government are not directly hiring people and can avoid deficit like which occur in the post office.
	The base idea is that government should give up the non-profit concept. Government’s function is no longer collecting tax and spending it. Government should use their fund to accumulate asset and properties and use that to help society in the long run. 
	Please reevaluate the previous policies we used for saving the economic. Three billion dollars we used for stimulating car market. During that time one of the auto companies claimed that they had ready increased employment by about 100 jobs. Even that seems to be temporary because after the policy of “ cash for clunker” ended the rate of car consumption went down 17%.
	All you did is print dollars and create debt and that is what anybody could do in your position. Please be smart, viewing things beyond the box and give us new concept as you promised. I still have high expectation of you because I can tell that you want to do something that is new. This is the time but it is determined by what you actually do. 

Pia Fields- author of “Why Life Events are Predestined and How Our Universe Originated”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You comment is correct but have no any ideas to help us. Below is the ideas please read it.</p>
<p>Dear President Obama:</p>
<p>	You promise to make changes when you ran for president and it seems you did nothing new after you get into the position because you are still controlled by the old concept of consumption. This financial crisis is obviously due to over consumption. Seeking a high GDP has made our earth, our country, our banks and our people broken. Saving the economic by stimulating consumption therefore is wrong. Just like little Bush led us to wars you are leading us in the wrong direction and America can not afford to pay for these kinds of huge mistakes again and again.<br />
	At this moment, government can not rely upon any business company but has to deal with the unemployment problem directly.  Creating jobs in not business owner’s obligation. Their goal is to make profit. If they can simply make profit from oversea investments, from international trading and from the stock market, why should they bother to create jobs – dealing with unions, labor department and health insurance companies? This is a new trend that we should have noticed a long time ago. Stimulating consumption will help people in the other countries get jobs only. Capitalists will not come back if rent, minimum salary rate and health insurance rates do not go down in the Unite States.<br />
	Government should directly create jobs instead of giving out money to the banks and to the cars or houses purchases. The easiest way is to let people share all the government jobs. Government jobs paid by tax payer’s money should benefit as many people as possible at this moment.  New York City employee’s average annual income and benefit combined together is $100,000, money that can support two to three families. Another fast way to stimulate the real estate market is to give citizenship to foreigners who invest two millions dollars in our market.<br />
	Government should use capitalist concepts and socialist mind to solve problems at this special and new situation. At the last few chapters of a book “ Why Life Events are Predestined and How Our Universe Originated” has some very good methods to deal with this financial mess.<br />
	Using fund that we bail out banks and funds we gave to the cars or houses purchasers we can build up government own properties such as retirement home or factory facilities. To the people who willing to retire earlier (55 years old) we can provide them free housing and substitute that as social security checks before they are 68 years old.(people who unwilling to accept the deal get nothing before 68 years old) The retirement homes can be built in the place near colleges and let students learn things by participating in their management. Every week they have trip to the city or somewhere. Retirement homes have different levels base on the social security that people contributed. It will provide garden, cooking, dancing, computer course, and poker games there. People can transfer to different retirement homes all over the country and can register in with friends.<br />
 In case we build up 10,000 retirement homes in all over the country, the construction projects will create up to 1,000,000 jobs immediately. In case every retirement home has one hundred rooms that will encourage 1,000,000 people to retire and leave their jobs open. We can use government’s land in suburbs and use the labors of those collecting unemployment to build the retirement homes. In case each retirement home cost 3 million dollars and that allow us saving $700 dollars from each person every month. One hundred rooms will create $840,000 indirect income for the government each year. Within five years investment in a retirement home will be returned and these kinds of government own property will continue substitute for social security checks for at least 50 years. That means it will create $37,800,000 for the government in long term.<br />
	 We can also build up factory facilities in the places where there is a high unemployment rate. Those facilities can be used for free for the businesses that are willing to create jobs for the market. With the free rental and minimum pay salary rate businesses should have better chances to make profits. Later government can share the profits and get the rent back.<br />
We can also encourage college students and youth to compose business ideas. Government should back financially those practical ideas, helping them to build up connections. Government is entitled to share profits later. All these processes government are not directly hiring people and can avoid deficit like which occur in the post office.<br />
	The base idea is that government should give up the non-profit concept. Government’s function is no longer collecting tax and spending it. Government should use their fund to accumulate asset and properties and use that to help society in the long run.<br />
	Please reevaluate the previous policies we used for saving the economic. Three billion dollars we used for stimulating car market. During that time one of the auto companies claimed that they had ready increased employment by about 100 jobs. Even that seems to be temporary because after the policy of “ cash for clunker” ended the rate of car consumption went down 17%.<br />
	All you did is print dollars and create debt and that is what anybody could do in your position. Please be smart, viewing things beyond the box and give us new concept as you promised. I still have high expectation of you because I can tell that you want to do something that is new. This is the time but it is determined by what you actually do. </p>
<p>Pia Fields- author of “Why Life Events are Predestined and How Our Universe Originated”</p>
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		<title>By: Barbarossa</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34748</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, devaluation is not default. And chartreuse is not a shade of green.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, devaluation is not default. And chartreuse is not a shade of green.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbarossa</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34747</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbarossa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is this Keynesian site on the blog roll for an Austrian site?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is this Keynesian site on the blog roll for an Austrian site?</p>
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		<title>By: Barbarossa</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34746</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbarossa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry; I was under the mistaken impression that inflation was an increase in the money supply, not an increase in prices, which are a consequence of said inflation. Surely asset and commodity prices couldn&#039;t be signals of inflation...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry; I was under the mistaken impression that inflation was an increase in the money supply, not an increase in prices, which are a consequence of said inflation. Surely asset and commodity prices couldn&#8217;t be signals of inflation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34578</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cal is hosed, largely because it&#039;s been on the receiving end of thirty years of getting back 75 cents of every dollar of federal taxes it pays, while states like Alabama get back 1.30...  That is one of the bad side effects of a federal tax structure that does not compensate for cost of living.  An 80k income in rural Michigan or Kentucky buys you a nice lifestyle.  In LA, you&#039;re a pauper.  But you pay the same income taxes.

The relationship of California to lower-cost-of-living states is much like that of US to China, except that California does not even have the currency devaluation mechanism to release pressure.  Making it reasonably likely to default.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cal is hosed, largely because it&#8217;s been on the receiving end of thirty years of getting back 75 cents of every dollar of federal taxes it pays, while states like Alabama get back 1.30&#8230;  That is one of the bad side effects of a federal tax structure that does not compensate for cost of living.  An 80k income in rural Michigan or Kentucky buys you a nice lifestyle.  In LA, you&#8217;re a pauper.  But you pay the same income taxes.</p>
<p>The relationship of California to lower-cost-of-living states is much like that of US to China, except that California does not even have the currency devaluation mechanism to release pressure.  Making it reasonably likely to default.</p>
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		<title>By: M.G. in Progress - The Unbearable Lightness of Being an economist</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34546</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M.G. in Progress - The Unbearable Lightness of Being an economist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those who do not worry about deficits fail to explain a) their concept of sustainability of deficits, debts and solvency b) the correlation, if any, between increasing deficits and debts and creating jobs c) what if, in the worst scenario, US bond vigilantes (Chinese) decide to dump dollars and treasuries, which ends up in situations of “self-fulfilling solvency traps”.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who do not worry about deficits fail to explain a) their concept of sustainability of deficits, debts and solvency b) the correlation, if any, between increasing deficits and debts and creating jobs c) what if, in the worst scenario, US bond vigilantes (Chinese) decide to dump dollars and treasuries, which ends up in situations of “self-fulfilling solvency traps”.</p>
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		<title>By: M.G. in Progress - The Unbearable Lightness of Being an economist</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34544</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M.G. in Progress - The Unbearable Lightness of Being an economist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If that would be the case why international institutions and commercial banks had been making a fuss about external debt of developing countries? US is now in a similar case and its twin defcits and external debt is in Chinese hands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that would be the case why international institutions and commercial banks had been making a fuss about external debt of developing countries? US is now in a similar case and its twin defcits and external debt is in Chinese hands.</p>
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		<title>By: T D K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T D K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very difficult to have done what you propose when doing so would have raised even louder cries of &quot;Socialism&quot; when the government took over and liquidated those firms like Wells Fargo, BOA and others in an average reorganization.

Something akin to the S&amp;L resolution trust would have been nice. Politically it should be remembered that was stumbled on after some time and was not an immediate solution to the S&amp;L crisis. Calling that a crisis in comparison to late 2008s debacle is like comparing a rubber dinghy to the USS Enterprise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very difficult to have done what you propose when doing so would have raised even louder cries of &#8220;Socialism&#8221; when the government took over and liquidated those firms like Wells Fargo, BOA and others in an average reorganization.</p>
<p>Something akin to the S&amp;L resolution trust would have been nice. Politically it should be remembered that was stumbled on after some time and was not an immediate solution to the S&amp;L crisis. Calling that a crisis in comparison to late 2008s debacle is like comparing a rubber dinghy to the USS Enterprise.</p>
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		<title>By: T D K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34508</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T D K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are speaking of the largest government stimulus package in U.S. history of course. Very similar to Keynes&#039;s parable of spending government money for workers to dig holes and filling them back in being useful in stimulating an economy with a lack of sufficient demand. 

The other side of the idea of supporting a stimulus has to be balanced with the bogey word...taxes. Once the economy has recovered it is then time to bring more revenues back into the treasury. During the 90&#039;s those spendthrift Demlibs did just that without harming the economy and causing a recession. Continuing that course after 2000 would have put our country in a much better position today than it presently is. 

No, it would not have staved off the present crisis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are speaking of the largest government stimulus package in U.S. history of course. Very similar to Keynes&#8217;s parable of spending government money for workers to dig holes and filling them back in being useful in stimulating an economy with a lack of sufficient demand. </p>
<p>The other side of the idea of supporting a stimulus has to be balanced with the bogey word&#8230;taxes. Once the economy has recovered it is then time to bring more revenues back into the treasury. During the 90&#8242;s those spendthrift Demlibs did just that without harming the economy and causing a recession. Continuing that course after 2000 would have put our country in a much better position today than it presently is. </p>
<p>No, it would not have staved off the present crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Bond Girl</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34497</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bond Girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem for state and local governments is timing.  CA&#039;s gap is 49.3% of its General Fund.  They aren&#039;t really in a position to do anything but cut right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem for state and local governments is timing.  CA&#8217;s gap is 49.3% of its General Fund.  They aren&#8217;t really in a position to do anything but cut right now.</p>
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		<title>By: NKlein1553</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34496</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NKlein1553]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I dare say that many Americans would respond strongly to such an appeal.&quot;

This comment reminds me of Carter&#039;s much maligned &quot;malaise,&quot; speech.  Conventional wisdom is that this speech cost Carter the election, but if you go back and look at the poll numbers a MAJORITY of Americans actually responded quite positively to Carter&#039;s call to reexamine American values.  Of course it was Carter who really started the U.S. military buildup in the Middle East to ensure easy access to cheap oil in the first place.  We all know how that turned out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I dare say that many Americans would respond strongly to such an appeal.&#8221;</p>
<p>This comment reminds me of Carter&#8217;s much maligned &#8220;malaise,&#8221; speech.  Conventional wisdom is that this speech cost Carter the election, but if you go back and look at the poll numbers a MAJORITY of Americans actually responded quite positively to Carter&#8217;s call to reexamine American values.  Of course it was Carter who really started the U.S. military buildup in the Middle East to ensure easy access to cheap oil in the first place.  We all know how that turned out.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34494</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh, OK -- then why did you note that the economics textbook in relation to Robert? He hasn&#039;t written one as far as I know. 

Paul Samuelson wrote the classic, multi-edition college economics text you are presumably referring to....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, OK &#8212; then why did you note that the economics textbook in relation to Robert? He hasn&#8217;t written one as far as I know. </p>
<p>Paul Samuelson wrote the classic, multi-edition college economics text you are presumably referring to&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Vast Variety</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vast Variety]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Great Depression ended on September 1st 1939 when Germany invaded Poland and the US began spending huge amounts of money on the tools and weapons of war that we were basically giving free of charge to England and France until December 1941.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Great Depression ended on September 1st 1939 when Germany invaded Poland and the US began spending huge amounts of money on the tools and weapons of war that we were basically giving free of charge to England and France until December 1941.</p>
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		<title>By: whydestiny.com</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[whydestiny.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The third way government can do is to open door to the immigrants who invest one million plus in our real estate market not to those who take our jobs and spend our money. For saving us from bankrupt we have no choice but show this discrimination. When we recover we then think of helping the poor immigrants not at this moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The third way government can do is to open door to the immigrants who invest one million plus in our real estate market not to those who take our jobs and spend our money. For saving us from bankrupt we have no choice but show this discrimination. When we recover we then think of helping the poor immigrants not at this moment.</p>
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		<title>By: whydestiny.com</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/20/government-debt-hysteria/#comment-34484</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama should let people share government jobs in this moment. This is another direct way to decrease unemployment rate. We can&#039;t expect business own to create jobs because that is not their obligation. Their goal is making profit. If they can have profit through oversea investment, international trade or from stock market, why do they bother to create jobs-- dealing with unions or labor department. This is a new trend that our government has to facing. In some way government should step out to run business. Not hire people directly but financially help any good business ideas. Encourage college students present business proposals and help them to set up business relationships. If the proposals works government share profits. If that sounds like socialism, that is fine.As long as it can increase jobs and brings in assets and profit for the government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama should let people share government jobs in this moment. This is another direct way to decrease unemployment rate. We can&#8217;t expect business own to create jobs because that is not their obligation. Their goal is making profit. If they can have profit through oversea investment, international trade or from stock market, why do they bother to create jobs&#8211; dealing with unions or labor department. This is a new trend that our government has to facing. In some way government should step out to run business. Not hire people directly but financially help any good business ideas. Encourage college students present business proposals and help them to set up business relationships. If the proposals works government share profits. If that sounds like socialism, that is fine.As long as it can increase jobs and brings in assets and profit for the government.</p>
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