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		<title>By: DavosSherman</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33393</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, by the way, that $600,000,000,000,000.00 (600trillion) figure was conservative. Please see ZeroHedges 1,600 trillion dollar upside down (Madoff) Pyramid. 

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/feds-nemesis-exters-2-quadrillion-liquidity

I haven&#039;t dug into how the Treasury formed it&#039;s table of 600trillion but I know the BEA and BLS cook GDP, CPI, and Unemployment like Enron baked it&#039;s book. Example, you own a home - they add what you would but don&#039;t pay in rent to GDP. They back out Gas and food from Inflation - no consumer can do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, by the way, that $600,000,000,000,000.00 (600trillion) figure was conservative. Please see ZeroHedges 1,600 trillion dollar upside down (Madoff) Pyramid. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/article/feds-nemesis-exters-2-quadrillion-liquidity" rel="nofollow">http://www.zerohedge.com/article/feds-nemesis-exters-2-quadrillion-liquidity</a></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t dug into how the Treasury formed it&#8217;s table of 600trillion but I know the BEA and BLS cook GDP, CPI, and Unemployment like Enron baked it&#8217;s book. Example, you own a home &#8211; they add what you would but don&#8217;t pay in rent to GDP. They back out Gas and food from Inflation &#8211; no consumer can do that.</p>
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		<title>By: too small too succeed in peasantville</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[too small too succeed in peasantville]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow, this is certainly more deja vu than i warrant for this life. 

the problem is not that we need to see where they are coming from.  obviously they need to see and experience our reality.  

to that end i would gladly invite both summers and blankfein both to dinner.  they can eat what the rest of us do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, this is certainly more deja vu than i warrant for this life. </p>
<p>the problem is not that we need to see where they are coming from.  obviously they need to see and experience our reality.  </p>
<p>to that end i would gladly invite both summers and blankfein both to dinner.  they can eat what the rest of us do.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James Kwak made an excellent point about &quot;interconnectedness&quot;.  Sounds like a word that would have been used many times in George Orwell&#039;s 1984 doesn&#039;t it???  Maybe next time the bloggers agree to go without quoting Treasury officials individually, they&#039;ll hold a small shiny pendant on a chain in front and swing it back and forth repeating rhythmically &quot;interconnectedness..... interconnectedness..... interconnectedness..... interconnectedness..... interconnectedness..... &quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Kwak made an excellent point about &#8220;interconnectedness&#8221;.  Sounds like a word that would have been used many times in George Orwell&#8217;s 1984 doesn&#8217;t it???  Maybe next time the bloggers agree to go without quoting Treasury officials individually, they&#8217;ll hold a small shiny pendant on a chain in front and swing it back and forth repeating rhythmically &#8220;interconnectedness&#8230;.. interconnectedness&#8230;.. interconnectedness&#8230;.. interconnectedness&#8230;.. interconnectedness&#8230;.. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33352</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t mean Summers had attended.  I mean the fruition of the idea might have been with Summers. 

The question is not who attended, the question is who was offered/allowed access. If you look at that blog list and see mostly Libertarians, you and I were educated quite differently about politics.

Finally I am not going to reward bloggers who promise anonymity to government officials with no promise of new information/news in return by making hits on their websites.  I saw Waldman&#039;s review, that&#039;s enough.  

IF the 8 of you bloggers had gotten ONE piece of fresh information/news that had not been revealed before it might be worth it.  From my view the bloggers who attended seem to be saying &quot;Come to my site, I have 4 posts on what a farce this was where we learned nothing new&quot;----NO THANK YOU]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean Summers had attended.  I mean the fruition of the idea might have been with Summers. </p>
<p>The question is not who attended, the question is who was offered/allowed access. If you look at that blog list and see mostly Libertarians, you and I were educated quite differently about politics.</p>
<p>Finally I am not going to reward bloggers who promise anonymity to government officials with no promise of new information/news in return by making hits on their websites.  I saw Waldman&#8217;s review, that&#8217;s enough.  </p>
<p>IF the 8 of you bloggers had gotten ONE piece of fresh information/news that had not been revealed before it might be worth it.  From my view the bloggers who attended seem to be saying &#8220;Come to my site, I have 4 posts on what a farce this was where we learned nothing new&#8221;&#8212;-NO THANK YOU</p>
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		<title>By: Bayard</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bayard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem at Treasury is how do we find out who there is willing to pull the &quot;flush lever&quot; before the toilet bowl of lies floods the world.  It really doesn&#039;t matter what term we use to describe the great lie(s) we are all being fed by those we elected to represent us.  But, like the new &quot;reregulatory&quot; efforts, if we can wrap the garbage in a very complex bag, we can go on claiming it&#039;s gold bullion.  What we are getting from everywhere in the government these days has all the tansparency of lead shielding.  I just want to let the economy run on real terms -- the Paulson, Geithner, Bernanke, Summers quartet has so warped the foundations of the economy, the slightest earthquake is likely to cause their entire mythical structure sink into the quicksand of their obfuscations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem at Treasury is how do we find out who there is willing to pull the &#8220;flush lever&#8221; before the toilet bowl of lies floods the world.  It really doesn&#8217;t matter what term we use to describe the great lie(s) we are all being fed by those we elected to represent us.  But, like the new &#8220;reregulatory&#8221; efforts, if we can wrap the garbage in a very complex bag, we can go on claiming it&#8217;s gold bullion.  What we are getting from everywhere in the government these days has all the tansparency of lead shielding.  I just want to let the economy run on real terms &#8212; the Paulson, Geithner, Bernanke, Summers quartet has so warped the foundations of the economy, the slightest earthquake is likely to cause their entire mythical structure sink into the quicksand of their obfuscations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayard</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bayard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the Treasury, they&#039;re not made up, but rather altered (rather severely) 100% of the time!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the Treasury, they&#8217;re not made up, but rather altered (rather severely) 100% of the time!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cohen</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33345</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Cohen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bloggers met with various Treasury officials... &lt;i&gt;the very officials that need to be removed&lt;/i&gt;

And now this ridiculous discussion of what TBTF means...

So much progress, things are getting so much better every day...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloggers met with various Treasury officials&#8230; <i>the very officials that need to be removed</i></p>
<p>And now this ridiculous discussion of what TBTF means&#8230;</p>
<p>So much progress, things are getting so much better every day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Merkel</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33338</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Merkel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t say who was there.  I can say that Mr. Summers was not there.  I am no fan of Mr. Summers.

The total list of bloggers was not lefties.  Let them characterize themselves, but the bloggers who were there were mainly libertarians or their fellow travelers.

We did not know in advance that it would only be bloggers.  We expected a broader press-type gathering.  The Treasury announcement to us was vague.

Why did I promise anonymity?  I thought it was the rules of the game for press on &quot;deep background.&quot;  I keep my word.  I also thought that maybe I would learn some things not in the press.  The only thing I learned that I did not know was that they worry about the same things I do but can&#039;t talk about them, because it would lead to a crisis.

Does that help?  I had my own questions about going, but I went because I felt I could reveal more, despite their restrictions.  See my lengthy commentary at my blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say who was there.  I can say that Mr. Summers was not there.  I am no fan of Mr. Summers.</p>
<p>The total list of bloggers was not lefties.  Let them characterize themselves, but the bloggers who were there were mainly libertarians or their fellow travelers.</p>
<p>We did not know in advance that it would only be bloggers.  We expected a broader press-type gathering.  The Treasury announcement to us was vague.</p>
<p>Why did I promise anonymity?  I thought it was the rules of the game for press on &#8220;deep background.&#8221;  I keep my word.  I also thought that maybe I would learn some things not in the press.  The only thing I learned that I did not know was that they worry about the same things I do but can&#8217;t talk about them, because it would lead to a crisis.</p>
<p>Does that help?  I had my own questions about going, but I went because I felt I could reveal more, despite their restrictions.  See my lengthy commentary at my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33334</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t Larry Summers supposed to be a guy who likes to throw ideas around??  Could it be a type of brainstorming they&#039;re doing??  I think this has some hints of Summers&#039; M.O. in it.  

In my opinion you&#039;re being slightly naive Mr. Merkel.  When you look at the total list of bloggers who were originally asked to attend you might notice the majority by far were lefties politically. 

You say you got nothing out of it. Then why go when you must promise anonymity of comments to attend??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Larry Summers supposed to be a guy who likes to throw ideas around??  Could it be a type of brainstorming they&#8217;re doing??  I think this has some hints of Summers&#8217; M.O. in it.  </p>
<p>In my opinion you&#8217;re being slightly naive Mr. Merkel.  When you look at the total list of bloggers who were originally asked to attend you might notice the majority by far were lefties politically. </p>
<p>You say you got nothing out of it. Then why go when you must promise anonymity of comments to attend??</p>
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		<title>By: David Merkel</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Merkel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James, with all due respect, I would disagree with the idea that they were trying to make us feel special.

I have a busy schedule, and it cost me five hours, gas, $17 for parking to attend the event.  A few cups of tea and one cookie does not do it for me.  Getting to talk with them was good -- they&#039;ve thought through a number of things, but are optimists.  Where they are pessimists, they can&#039;t talk about it -- they can&#039;t shake confidence.

What they get out of it?  A number of critical blog posts from me.  If this is worth it for them, I doubt it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, with all due respect, I would disagree with the idea that they were trying to make us feel special.</p>
<p>I have a busy schedule, and it cost me five hours, gas, $17 for parking to attend the event.  A few cups of tea and one cookie does not do it for me.  Getting to talk with them was good &#8212; they&#8217;ve thought through a number of things, but are optimists.  Where they are pessimists, they can&#8217;t talk about it &#8212; they can&#8217;t shake confidence.</p>
<p>What they get out of it?  A number of critical blog posts from me.  If this is worth it for them, I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: dcb</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dcb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[US senator Sanders asks you to sign petition against too big to fail and will send it to geitner

please see link and consider signing I have.


http://sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=c53f1aca-5881-403e-928b-a25980cb4e0c]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US senator Sanders asks you to sign petition against too big to fail and will send it to geitner</p>
<p>please see link and consider signing I have.</p>
<p><a href="http://sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=c53f1aca-5881-403e-928b-a25980cb4e0c" rel="nofollow">http://sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=c53f1aca-5881-403e-928b-a25980cb4e0c</a></p>
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		<title>By: DavosSherman</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavosSherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;(And isn’t all that toxic debt still out there, clogging up the pipes?)&quot;

200 trillion of the 600 trillion in derivatives are in the US most at the banks you mention.

+1 to your post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(And isn’t all that toxic debt still out there, clogging up the pipes?)&#8221;</p>
<p>200 trillion of the 600 trillion in derivatives are in the US most at the banks you mention.</p>
<p>+1 to your post!</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like the &quot;senior fed guys&quot; wanted the bloggers to digest a bit of spin with those cookies...

TARP worked - if you were GS, or JPMChase, or even BoA, which probably should be out of business right now.

But if you look at the consumer side of things - in the regular economy and the consumer side of the bank books, it&#039;s a blood bath.  So we can rejoice that GS and the others on Wall Street are having one of their best years yet - billions in bonuses heading out of the economy and into the bank accounts of the bankers - but TARP did not shore up &quot;the economy&quot; at all.

(And isn&#039;t all that toxic debt still out there, clogging up the pipes?)

In reading Waldman&#039;s blog post on this, sounds like Obama&#039;s peeps have taken a page out of the Bushies&#039; playbook - tell &#039;em what you want them to believe, truth be damned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the &#8220;senior fed guys&#8221; wanted the bloggers to digest a bit of spin with those cookies&#8230;</p>
<p>TARP worked &#8211; if you were GS, or JPMChase, or even BoA, which probably should be out of business right now.</p>
<p>But if you look at the consumer side of things &#8211; in the regular economy and the consumer side of the bank books, it&#8217;s a blood bath.  So we can rejoice that GS and the others on Wall Street are having one of their best years yet &#8211; billions in bonuses heading out of the economy and into the bank accounts of the bankers &#8211; but TARP did not shore up &#8220;the economy&#8221; at all.</p>
<p>(And isn&#8217;t all that toxic debt still out there, clogging up the pipes?)</p>
<p>In reading Waldman&#8217;s blog post on this, sounds like Obama&#8217;s peeps have taken a page out of the Bushies&#8217; playbook &#8211; tell &#8216;em what you want them to believe, truth be damned.</p>
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		<title>By: Kid Dynamite</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33320</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kid Dynamite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok Ted, fair points. the information i was able to give my readers was the Treasury&#039;s attempt to validate their actions, and their reactions to the questions they were asked.  

many people have found that to be very valuable, and it was not available to the public - the public never gets the chance to sit down and question senior treasury officials.  we did. did they give us the secret to world finance? of course not - that doesn&#039;t mean there weren&#039;t valuable insights to be gained.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok Ted, fair points. the information i was able to give my readers was the Treasury&#8217;s attempt to validate their actions, and their reactions to the questions they were asked.  </p>
<p>many people have found that to be very valuable, and it was not available to the public &#8211; the public never gets the chance to sit down and question senior treasury officials.  we did. did they give us the secret to world finance? of course not &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t mean there weren&#8217;t valuable insights to be gained.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/treasury-and-the-blogs/#comment-33313</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kid Dynamite,
In answer to your question, NO I would never agree to do an off the record interview, unless I was promised (beforehand) some important piece of information/news which would OTHERWISE be unavailable to the public.  I am afraid that Treasury officials&#039; opinions/views doesn&#039;t qualify.

My question to you sir is..... what new information/news did you give your blog readers from this terrific &quot;access&quot;???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kid Dynamite,<br />
In answer to your question, NO I would never agree to do an off the record interview, unless I was promised (beforehand) some important piece of information/news which would OTHERWISE be unavailable to the public.  I am afraid that Treasury officials&#8217; opinions/views doesn&#8217;t qualify.</p>
<p>My question to you sir is&#8230;.. what new information/news did you give your blog readers from this terrific &#8220;access&#8221;???</p>
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