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		<title>By: ep3</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/bank-of-america-fannie-mae-accounting/#comment-33537</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ep3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks uncle billy.  but i once heard on 60 minutes that the saudis were like 60% shareholders of BAC.  but this was like 5-6 years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks uncle billy.  but i once heard on 60 minutes that the saudis were like 60% shareholders of BAC.  but this was like 5-6 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: joedee1969</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/bank-of-america-fannie-mae-accounting/#comment-33390</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joedee1969]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about all this stock I have in GE and they pull this kind of crap:

http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/11/the-press-coverage-at-ft-hood-sickening/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about all this stock I have in GE and they pull this kind of crap:</p>
<p><a href="http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/11/the-press-coverage-at-ft-hood-sickening/" rel="nofollow">http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/11/the-press-coverage-at-ft-hood-sickening/</a></p>
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		<title>By: notabanker</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/bank-of-america-fannie-mae-accounting/#comment-33388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[notabanker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;totally cactus&#039; What does this mean James?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;totally cactus&#8217; What does this mean James?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/bank-of-america-fannie-mae-accounting/#comment-33362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A little quote from Tyler Durden at ZeroHedge:

Yet where it gets moderately interesting is when analyzing Interest Rate derivatives (swaps, options and forwards), not only because the numbers suddenly really perk up, but because of the $420 trillion in notional OTC total, about $200 trillion is held by none other than the usual zombie stooges: Goldman, JPM, BofA, C and WFC. Do you see now why the Fed will kinda, sorta always and forever be forced to bail out this unholy pentagram? The shitstorm as a result of the collapse of one or more of the five major spokes of at least $420 trillion (and as much as $840 trillion) in IR derivs would basically wipe out anyone and everything in its path. No exceptions.

Have a nice day on that happy thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little quote from Tyler Durden at ZeroHedge:</p>
<p>Yet where it gets moderately interesting is when analyzing Interest Rate derivatives (swaps, options and forwards), not only because the numbers suddenly really perk up, but because of the $420 trillion in notional OTC total, about $200 trillion is held by none other than the usual zombie stooges: Goldman, JPM, BofA, C and WFC. Do you see now why the Fed will kinda, sorta always and forever be forced to bail out this unholy pentagram? The shitstorm as a result of the collapse of one or more of the five major spokes of at least $420 trillion (and as much as $840 trillion) in IR derivs would basically wipe out anyone and everything in its path. No exceptions.</p>
<p>Have a nice day on that happy thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bayard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, BOA is just as likely to lie about the quality of many of its (derivative) assets as are all of the TBTF&#039;s.  After all, why tell the truth and make those who are guaranteeing your survival look bad.  Over the next couple of years, unless the real estate market improves, foreclosures stop and employment turns around, we are going to find out just how bad things are with the BIGS!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, BOA is just as likely to lie about the quality of many of its (derivative) assets as are all of the TBTF&#8217;s.  After all, why tell the truth and make those who are guaranteeing your survival look bad.  Over the next couple of years, unless the real estate market improves, foreclosures stop and employment turns around, we are going to find out just how bad things are with the BIGS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Billy Cunctator</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/bank-of-america-fannie-mae-accounting/#comment-33316</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle Billy Cunctator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Japan&#039;s lost decade?  That would be nice...

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/11/ny-times-unemployment-measure-u-6.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japan&#8217;s lost decade?  That would be nice&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/11/ny-times-unemployment-measure-u-6.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/11/ny-times-unemployment-measure-u-6.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ella</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that the different modes of valuation and accounting between the two is at issue.  Standardized Accounting and valuation rules anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the different modes of valuation and accounting between the two is at issue.  Standardized Accounting and valuation rules anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Palanza</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Palanza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In his investigation, Falcon concluded that the board of directors on which Emanuel sat was so pliant that Freddie Mac&#039;s managers easily were able to massage company ledgers. They manipulated bookkeeping to smooth out volatility, perpetuating Freddie Mac&#039;s industry reputation as &#039;Steady Freddie,&#039; a reliable producer of earnings growth. Wall Street liked what it saw, Freddie Mac&#039;s stock value soared and top executives collected their bonuses.&quot;

Life without book-keeping: A quote from the Chicago Tribune story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In his investigation, Falcon concluded that the board of directors on which Emanuel sat was so pliant that Freddie Mac&#8217;s managers easily were able to massage company ledgers. They manipulated bookkeeping to smooth out volatility, perpetuating Freddie Mac&#8217;s industry reputation as &#8216;Steady Freddie,&#8217; a reliable producer of earnings growth. Wall Street liked what it saw, Freddie Mac&#8217;s stock value soared and top executives collected their bonuses.&#8221;</p>
<p>Life without book-keeping: A quote from the Chicago Tribune story.</p>
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		<title>By: Eurocitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eurocitizen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Free markets are a myth. They don&#039;t really exist. Modern day meritocracy, besides the most important success component luck, measures only individuals skills on tapping into the flow of information before others can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free markets are a myth. They don&#8217;t really exist. Modern day meritocracy, besides the most important success component luck, measures only individuals skills on tapping into the flow of information before others can.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Billy Cunctator</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/06/bank-of-america-fannie-mae-accounting/#comment-33279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle Billy Cunctator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Question for all of us StatsGuy.  If you take a look at the majority shareholders (&quot;stakeholders&quot;?) of BAC, you&#039;ll probably glean some clues.  

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=BAC

Find out who really controls State Street (the folks who turned off the spigot for Lehman IIRC), Barclays, FMR, Vanguard, Growth Fund of America (The Capital Group), etc, and you&#039;ll almost have the answers.  Note the presence also of Paulson &amp; Co in the group, poster child for &quot;luck.&quot;  Remember also that Greenspan was hired by Paulson as a consultant after Paulson collected his $4B-$5B betting on the crash.


As for FNMA?  Lost touch with this after the takeover, but why is it mentioned without FHLMC (sorry, don&#039;t like to use the warm and cosy cutesy names)?  They were essentially identical.  Did their assets end up looking much different?  The easy guess is that some sharp outfit like &quot;Pennymac&quot; -- who is reportedly not doing too well lately -- will fall into some very nicely priced mortgages soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question for all of us StatsGuy.  If you take a look at the majority shareholders (&#8220;stakeholders&#8221;?) of BAC, you&#8217;ll probably glean some clues.  </p>
<p><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=BAC" rel="nofollow">http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=BAC</a></p>
<p>Find out who really controls State Street (the folks who turned off the spigot for Lehman IIRC), Barclays, FMR, Vanguard, Growth Fund of America (The Capital Group), etc, and you&#8217;ll almost have the answers.  Note the presence also of Paulson &amp; Co in the group, poster child for &#8220;luck.&#8221;  Remember also that Greenspan was hired by Paulson as a consultant after Paulson collected his $4B-$5B betting on the crash.</p>
<p>As for FNMA?  Lost touch with this after the takeover, but why is it mentioned without FHLMC (sorry, don&#8217;t like to use the warm and cosy cutesy names)?  They were essentially identical.  Did their assets end up looking much different?  The easy guess is that some sharp outfit like &#8220;Pennymac&#8221; &#8212; who is reportedly not doing too well lately &#8212; will fall into some very nicely priced mortgages soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tax Doc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While the gist of the article is probably correct, that B of A is overstating the value of its loan portfolio, the explanation of accounting is wrong.

The loan loss provision is an expense and the &quot;allowance for losses&quot; account is referred to as a &quot;contra&quot; asset account (a negative asset - if you will).  The idea is that the bank doesn&#039;t know specifically which loans will be uncollectible, but under the matching principle of accrual accounting, it must recognize the losses currently, and not wait until actual default.

In making this accounting entry, no cash is involved.  No cash is in the &quot;reserves&quot; (allowance) account.  The whole point of the allowance is to offset the loan account.  When a specific loan defaults, the allowance account is &quot;debited&quot; and the loan account is &quot;credited.&quot;  NO CASH IS INVOLVED.  That&#039;s the whole point of the loss.....the bank is not being repaid!

Nonetheless, the article highlights the problem with many banks...their loan balances are not worth their book value, but the various regulatory agencies are allowing them to stay open in the hope that new, high-margin loans, will produce interest income that offsets the losses on the old loans.

The unfortunate aspect of this policy is that no one can trust any bank&#039;s financial statements and thus, non one will invest equity capital in banks....which means, the banks can&#039;t create new loans....they simply extend and, in some cases, re-finance old loans.  This is the Japanese lost-decade all over again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the gist of the article is probably correct, that B of A is overstating the value of its loan portfolio, the explanation of accounting is wrong.</p>
<p>The loan loss provision is an expense and the &#8220;allowance for losses&#8221; account is referred to as a &#8220;contra&#8221; asset account (a negative asset &#8211; if you will).  The idea is that the bank doesn&#8217;t know specifically which loans will be uncollectible, but under the matching principle of accrual accounting, it must recognize the losses currently, and not wait until actual default.</p>
<p>In making this accounting entry, no cash is involved.  No cash is in the &#8220;reserves&#8221; (allowance) account.  The whole point of the allowance is to offset the loan account.  When a specific loan defaults, the allowance account is &#8220;debited&#8221; and the loan account is &#8220;credited.&#8221;  NO CASH IS INVOLVED.  That&#8217;s the whole point of the loss&#8230;..the bank is not being repaid!</p>
<p>Nonetheless, the article highlights the problem with many banks&#8230;their loan balances are not worth their book value, but the various regulatory agencies are allowing them to stay open in the hope that new, high-margin loans, will produce interest income that offsets the losses on the old loans.</p>
<p>The unfortunate aspect of this policy is that no one can trust any bank&#8217;s financial statements and thus, non one will invest equity capital in banks&#8230;.which means, the banks can&#8217;t create new loans&#8230;.they simply extend and, in some cases, re-finance old loans.  This is the Japanese lost-decade all over again.</p>
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		<title>By: jake chase</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jake chase]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The financial statements of both entities are entirely fiction and you might as well be analyzing a William Gass novel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The financial statements of both entities are entirely fiction and you might as well be analyzing a William Gass novel.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some interesting papers relating to Rahm Emannuel and Freddie Mac.  From a Chicago Tribune article.  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-090326emanual-gfx,0,6297221.htmlpage]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting papers relating to Rahm Emannuel and Freddie Mac.  From a Chicago Tribune article.  <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-090326emanual-gfx,0,6297221.htmlpage" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-090326emanual-gfx,0,6297221.htmlpage</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fannie and Freddie were already kind of quasi-governmental places to start with.  A lot of funny stuff happened there over the years I think q.  Rahm Emmanuel had a position at Freddie Mac paying him $320,000 for basically doing nothing.  You can read about that here.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-rahm-emanuel-profit-26-mar26,0,5682373.story]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fannie and Freddie were already kind of quasi-governmental places to start with.  A lot of funny stuff happened there over the years I think q.  Rahm Emmanuel had a position at Freddie Mac paying him $320,000 for basically doing nothing.  You can read about that here.<br />
<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-rahm-emanuel-profit-26-mar26,0,5682373.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-rahm-emanuel-profit-26-mar26,0,5682373.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Barton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FYI, the &quot;cactus&quot; thing is a common Australianism. And sure enough, a look at his profile reveals he&#039;s in Bronte, a (very nice) suburb of Sydney.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, the &#8220;cactus&#8221; thing is a common Australianism. And sure enough, a look at his profile reveals he&#8217;s in Bronte, a (very nice) suburb of Sydney.</p>
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