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	<title>Comments on: Obama In China: Breaking The Exchange Rate Deadlock</title>
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		<title>By: DavosSherman</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/05/obama-in-china-breaking-the-exchange-rate-deadlock/#comment-33424</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavosSherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If the US were to raise interest rates it would put upward pressure on the dollar. Imports would stay cheap and our exports would stay expensive overseas&quot;

Imports?

Don&#039;t forget what that would do to housing and or CRE or the banks!!!

The gig is up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the US were to raise interest rates it would put upward pressure on the dollar. Imports would stay cheap and our exports would stay expensive overseas&#8221;</p>
<p>Imports?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget what that would do to housing and or CRE or the banks!!!</p>
<p>The gig is up.</p>
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		<title>By: The pragmatist</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/05/obama-in-china-breaking-the-exchange-rate-deadlock/#comment-33410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The pragmatist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t see how the $600 trillion could be right.  That would mean that 1.3 billion houses were upside down by an average of $450,000.  I know there would be a multiplier effect due to credit default swaps and other derivitives, but the $600 trillion is an entire level of magnitude.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see how the $600 trillion could be right.  That would mean that 1.3 billion houses were upside down by an average of $450,000.  I know there would be a multiplier effect due to credit default swaps and other derivitives, but the $600 trillion is an entire level of magnitude.</p>
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		<title>By: The pragmatist</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/05/obama-in-china-breaking-the-exchange-rate-deadlock/#comment-33407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The pragmatist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tippygolden

If the US were to raise interest rates it would put upward pressure on the dollar.  Imports would stay cheap and our exports would stay expensive overseas.  So, instead of exporting goods we would continue to export jobs and wealth.  The bottom line is that we would continue to destroy our economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tippygolden</p>
<p>If the US were to raise interest rates it would put upward pressure on the dollar.  Imports would stay cheap and our exports would stay expensive overseas.  So, instead of exporting goods we would continue to export jobs and wealth.  The bottom line is that we would continue to destroy our economy.</p>
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		<title>By: DavosSherman</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/05/obama-in-china-breaking-the-exchange-rate-deadlock/#comment-33392</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavosSherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, by the way, that $600,000,000,000,000.00 (600trillion) figure was conservative. Please see ZeroHedges 1,600 trillion dollar upside down (Madoff) Pyramid. 

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/feds-nemesis-exters-2-quadrillion-liquidity

I haven&#039;t dug into how the Treasury formed it&#039;s table of 600trillion but I know the BEA and BLS cook GDP, CPI, and Unemployment like Enron baked it&#039;s book. Example, you own a home - they add what you would but don&#039;t pay in rent to GDP. They back out Gas and food from Inflation - no consumer can do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, by the way, that $600,000,000,000,000.00 (600trillion) figure was conservative. Please see ZeroHedges 1,600 trillion dollar upside down (Madoff) Pyramid. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/article/feds-nemesis-exters-2-quadrillion-liquidity" rel="nofollow">http://www.zerohedge.com/article/feds-nemesis-exters-2-quadrillion-liquidity</a></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t dug into how the Treasury formed it&#8217;s table of 600trillion but I know the BEA and BLS cook GDP, CPI, and Unemployment like Enron baked it&#8217;s book. Example, you own a home &#8211; they add what you would but don&#8217;t pay in rent to GDP. They back out Gas and food from Inflation &#8211; no consumer can do that.</p>
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		<title>By: tippygolden</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/05/obama-in-china-breaking-the-exchange-rate-deadlock/#comment-33389</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tippygolden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Davos Sherman write: &quot;Sadly the US went insolvent raising the other countries standards as we stripped the world of every resource.&quot;

Instead of the phrase, &quot;raising the other countries standards,&quot; suggest --- enriching the oligarchy --- might be more accurate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davos Sherman write: &#8220;Sadly the US went insolvent raising the other countries standards as we stripped the world of every resource.&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead of the phrase, &#8220;raising the other countries standards,&#8221; suggest &#8212; enriching the oligarchy &#8212; might be more accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: DavosSherman</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/05/obama-in-china-breaking-the-exchange-rate-deadlock/#comment-33386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavosSherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. Wave 2 of the residential is washing to shore now and mid year next, another 1.5 trillion dollar mess. Coming in with this sludge is 3.5 trillion in CRE. If the dollar doesn&#039;t collapse before this I think we are going to see a 5 trillion dollar punch that will devastate everything, making 2008&#039;s 1.5 trillion punch look like it was delivered by a lightweight.

Summers, Geithner, Greenspan, Bernanke, Rubin are all absolue m*r*ns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Wave 2 of the residential is washing to shore now and mid year next, another 1.5 trillion dollar mess. Coming in with this sludge is 3.5 trillion in CRE. If the dollar doesn&#8217;t collapse before this I think we are going to see a 5 trillion dollar punch that will devastate everything, making 2008&#8242;s 1.5 trillion punch look like it was delivered by a lightweight.</p>
<p>Summers, Geithner, Greenspan, Bernanke, Rubin are all absolue m*r*ns.</p>
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		<title>By: tippygolden</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks DavosSherman,

Let&#039;s see ... the American derivative market grew $1.5 trillion in the second quarter, TBTF banks are getting bigger, no real political will to regulate Wall Street ... foolish would be an understatement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks DavosSherman,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see &#8230; the American derivative market grew $1.5 trillion in the second quarter, TBTF banks are getting bigger, no real political will to regulate Wall Street &#8230; foolish would be an understatement.</p>
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		<title>By: DavosSherman</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/05/obama-in-china-breaking-the-exchange-rate-deadlock/#comment-33384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavosSherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/release/2009-34a.pdf refer to table 3. JPMC 87 trillion, BOA 39 trillion, Citi 33 trillion. Those are the 3 biggest the rest (another 22 add up to 200 trillion.)

Also referred to on Jim Puplava&#039;s fine Financial Sense News Hour Oct 24 3A. A must listen! Select an Audio Format - Part 3
http://www.netcastdaily.com/broadcast/fsn2009-1024-3a.asx
RealPlayer &#124; WinAmp &#124; Windows Media &#124; Mp3
~ SPECIAL EDITION ~
Warning: The Next Crisis

I agree about workers making more! &quot;The Lexis and the Olive Tree&quot; by Friedman, Thomas will no longer work with peak population stressing peak every resource. Sadly the US went insolvent raising the other countries standards as we stripped the world of every resource.

Future generations will look back at us like we look back at cave men.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/release/2009-34a.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/release/2009-34a.pdf</a> refer to table 3. JPMC 87 trillion, BOA 39 trillion, Citi 33 trillion. Those are the 3 biggest the rest (another 22 add up to 200 trillion.)</p>
<p>Also referred to on Jim Puplava&#8217;s fine Financial Sense News Hour Oct 24 3A. A must listen! Select an Audio Format &#8211; Part 3<br />
<a href="http://www.netcastdaily.com/broadcast/fsn2009-1024-3a.asx" rel="nofollow">http://www.netcastdaily.com/broadcast/fsn2009-1024-3a.asx</a><br />
RealPlayer | WinAmp | Windows Media | Mp3<br />
~ SPECIAL EDITION ~<br />
Warning: The Next Crisis</p>
<p>I agree about workers making more! &#8220;The Lexis and the Olive Tree&#8221; by Friedman, Thomas will no longer work with peak population stressing peak every resource. Sadly the US went insolvent raising the other countries standards as we stripped the world of every resource.</p>
<p>Future generations will look back at us like we look back at cave men.</p>
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		<title>By: tippygolden</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/05/obama-in-china-breaking-the-exchange-rate-deadlock/#comment-33382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tippygolden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[$600 trillion in toxic assets gobally. $200 trillion in the United States. Truly astonishing. Where did you get this number?

Much of this is worthless paper now. They should have paid more to workers in the developing world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$600 trillion in toxic assets gobally. $200 trillion in the United States. Truly astonishing. Where did you get this number?</p>
<p>Much of this is worthless paper now. They should have paid more to workers in the developing world.</p>
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		<title>By: DavosSherman</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/05/obama-in-china-breaking-the-exchange-rate-deadlock/#comment-33380</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavosSherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the last numbers I heard were 24 dollars compared to 1 when it comes to labor. So I think your idea of more pay would have really helped the disparity, and would have been a good thing, indeed.

I don&#039;t think it would have stopped the asset bubble - as the class that was primarily impacted was that of real estate. Fraud is a big part of this bubble. Fraud with the lenders income and with the rating agencies ratings.

But you are right, the money needed to come from somewhere. Someone was buying the tranches of sliced and diced toxicity.

The problem I still see is there are 600 trillion of these these things in the shadow banking system, 200 trillion are in the US.

This will NOT end well and end it will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the last numbers I heard were 24 dollars compared to 1 when it comes to labor. So I think your idea of more pay would have really helped the disparity, and would have been a good thing, indeed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it would have stopped the asset bubble &#8211; as the class that was primarily impacted was that of real estate. Fraud is a big part of this bubble. Fraud with the lenders income and with the rating agencies ratings.</p>
<p>But you are right, the money needed to come from somewhere. Someone was buying the tranches of sliced and diced toxicity.</p>
<p>The problem I still see is there are 600 trillion of these these things in the shadow banking system, 200 trillion are in the US.</p>
<p>This will NOT end well and end it will.</p>
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		<title>By: tippygolden</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/05/obama-in-china-breaking-the-exchange-rate-deadlock/#comment-33379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tippygolden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DavosSherman, thanks for your reply. An interesting moniker. Perhaps you are suggesting we need a Sherman at Davos so &quot;save the Union&quot;.

Perhaps you can help me here. It has occurred to me because labour was so cheap in the developing world, the BRIC countries, huge profits were reaped. So in away the crash of the asset bubble had a logic. There was simply too much money on &quot;one side&quot; in search of a &quot;safe haven&quot; (the AAA-rated bonds). If they had paid more to the workers in the BRIC countries their standard of living would have risen. And perhaps the world financial system would be more stable. What do you think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavosSherman, thanks for your reply. An interesting moniker. Perhaps you are suggesting we need a Sherman at Davos so &#8220;save the Union&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps you can help me here. It has occurred to me because labour was so cheap in the developing world, the BRIC countries, huge profits were reaped. So in away the crash of the asset bubble had a logic. There was simply too much money on &#8220;one side&#8221; in search of a &#8220;safe haven&#8221; (the AAA-rated bonds). If they had paid more to the workers in the BRIC countries their standard of living would have risen. And perhaps the world financial system would be more stable. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What would be possible scenarios if the US raised its interest rates?&quot;

Game over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What would be possible scenarios if the US raised its interest rates?&#8221;</p>
<p>Game over.</p>
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		<title>By: tippygolden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tippygolden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what if they raised interest rates in the United States?

Canada (and I take it some EU countries) have had periods of high interest rates and high unemployment. Painful and unpopular. But we did it Canada to bring down our debt and ended up for the better as the world entered this financial crisis.

As you know, when interest rates tanked, some people were holding bonds bearing double-digit interest rates and they did very well.

What would be possible scenarios if the US raised its interest rates?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what if they raised interest rates in the United States?</p>
<p>Canada (and I take it some EU countries) have had periods of high interest rates and high unemployment. Painful and unpopular. But we did it Canada to bring down our debt and ended up for the better as the world entered this financial crisis.</p>
<p>As you know, when interest rates tanked, some people were holding bonds bearing double-digit interest rates and they did very well.</p>
<p>What would be possible scenarios if the US raised its interest rates?</p>
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		<title>By: DavosSherman</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/05/obama-in-china-breaking-the-exchange-rate-deadlock/#comment-33374</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavosSherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simply: They take in 2 trillion and spend 4 trillion. That difference known as the deficit they fund with bond sales. China et al aren&#039;t buying enough, nor is there enough demand home.

So they print, the fancy name for it is Quantitative Easing. The bond sales are a bit complicated, but recently they have had the primary dealers buy bonds and then the &quot;Fed&quot; (a private bank) stepped in and bought them back.

Unless the market tanks, I don&#039;t see enough demand for securities. Frankly, at 0% the only demand is that of investors borrowing here and investing else where, what they call the &quot;carry trade.&quot;

The last thing anyone wants to put there money in is an insolvent currency and one that is yielding 0% interest. a at al are morons who have and are bankrupting this country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply: They take in 2 trillion and spend 4 trillion. That difference known as the deficit they fund with bond sales. China et al aren&#8217;t buying enough, nor is there enough demand home.</p>
<p>So they print, the fancy name for it is Quantitative Easing. The bond sales are a bit complicated, but recently they have had the primary dealers buy bonds and then the &#8220;Fed&#8221; (a private bank) stepped in and bought them back.</p>
<p>Unless the market tanks, I don&#8217;t see enough demand for securities. Frankly, at 0% the only demand is that of investors borrowing here and investing else where, what they call the &#8220;carry trade.&#8221;</p>
<p>The last thing anyone wants to put there money in is an insolvent currency and one that is yielding 0% interest. a at al are morons who have and are bankrupting this country.</p>
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		<title>By: tippygolden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tippygolden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a non-economist, I don&#039;t understand why the United States sold $2 trillion in treasury notes to China. Why were these US treasury notes not sold to American pension funds and local and state governments? Why isn&#039;t China using its trade surplus to develop its own economy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a non-economist, I don&#8217;t understand why the United States sold $2 trillion in treasury notes to China. Why were these US treasury notes not sold to American pension funds and local and state governments? Why isn&#8217;t China using its trade surplus to develop its own economy?</p>
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