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		<title>By: Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-33085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sanchez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ND:

Your engineer friend may be far more productive in 40 hours than you in 80 hours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ND:</p>
<p>Your engineer friend may be far more productive in 40 hours than you in 80 hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Gandydancer</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32910</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gandydancer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The excess wage (Figure 11) — the difference between the amount people in finance make and the amount you would expect them to make — reached about 0.4 this decade; that means that if the average American is making $100, you might expect people in finance to make $125 (based on education, skill premium, and unemployment risk), but instead they are making $165.&quot;

An employer paying $165 can be more selective than one paying $125. The difference between two individuals with the same nominal education, job skill level, and job unemployment risk, when one is offered premium pay and the other is refused it, is presumptively significant. Calling the resultant difference in wage &quot;excess&quot; rather than &quot;premium&quot; is a political choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The excess wage (Figure 11) — the difference between the amount people in finance make and the amount you would expect them to make — reached about 0.4 this decade; that means that if the average American is making $100, you might expect people in finance to make $125 (based on education, skill premium, and unemployment risk), but instead they are making $165.&#8221;</p>
<p>An employer paying $165 can be more selective than one paying $125. The difference between two individuals with the same nominal education, job skill level, and job unemployment risk, when one is offered premium pay and the other is refused it, is presumptively significant. Calling the resultant difference in wage &#8220;excess&#8221; rather than &#8220;premium&#8221; is a political choice.</p>
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		<title>By: ND</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32856</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ND]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not convinced this sort of thing is adequately adjusting for the difference in hours worked.

Even right out of school, if I sign up for a finance job with 80 hours a week, I should probably get paid substantially more than twice as much as my engineer friend who works 40 hours (my declining marginal utility of money and increasing marginal utility of leisure). Second, if you compare us 5 years down the line, we are no longer apples-to-apples. I have acquired the equivalent of 10 years of work experience to my engineer firend&#039;s 5. There is no particular reason to think this extra experience should affect my compensation linearly either. It may well be (and I would argue that it is in trading positions) that the job simply cannot be done by 2 people who work 40 hours a week. The knowledge gained from spending 80 hours a week with the market simply must be concentrated in one decision-maker.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced this sort of thing is adequately adjusting for the difference in hours worked.</p>
<p>Even right out of school, if I sign up for a finance job with 80 hours a week, I should probably get paid substantially more than twice as much as my engineer friend who works 40 hours (my declining marginal utility of money and increasing marginal utility of leisure). Second, if you compare us 5 years down the line, we are no longer apples-to-apples. I have acquired the equivalent of 10 years of work experience to my engineer firend&#8217;s 5. There is no particular reason to think this extra experience should affect my compensation linearly either. It may well be (and I would argue that it is in trading positions) that the job simply cannot be done by 2 people who work 40 hours a week. The knowledge gained from spending 80 hours a week with the market simply must be concentrated in one decision-maker.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Larson</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32786</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Larson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You fail to complete the logic. If a manager should get a reward for beating the market, he shoud be penalized when he underperforms.  I don&#039;t mean getting paid less, but actually paying the same standard 20% back to the investors.  In other words he would have negative income.

Very few managers consistently beat the market.  Why should they be rewarded in the good years and not be penalized in the bad?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You fail to complete the logic. If a manager should get a reward for beating the market, he shoud be penalized when he underperforms.  I don&#8217;t mean getting paid less, but actually paying the same standard 20% back to the investors.  In other words he would have negative income.</p>
<p>Very few managers consistently beat the market.  Why should they be rewarded in the good years and not be penalized in the bad?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Larson</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Larson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article points out that pay in the finance sector increased when greater innovation was allowed, but it failed to discuss how this &quot;innovation&quot; provided any real value to the economy.  Who cares about financial innovation.  In the end it is usually about taking money from other investors.  In the early years of the 21st century hedge funds mad huge amounts of money making quick trades in and out of mutual funds.  That was a great innovation for the very few who could afford to invest in those funds, but it came at the expense of other mutual fund investors who&#039;s returns were negatively affected.  This &quot;innovation: was just a way for the rich to steal from the rest of us.

You can invent all the financial instruments you like, but in the end the total return on all investments come form company profits.  Simple is fair, &quot;innovation&quot; is esentially unjust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article points out that pay in the finance sector increased when greater innovation was allowed, but it failed to discuss how this &#8220;innovation&#8221; provided any real value to the economy.  Who cares about financial innovation.  In the end it is usually about taking money from other investors.  In the early years of the 21st century hedge funds mad huge amounts of money making quick trades in and out of mutual funds.  That was a great innovation for the very few who could afford to invest in those funds, but it came at the expense of other mutual fund investors who&#8217;s returns were negatively affected.  This &#8220;innovation: was just a way for the rich to steal from the rest of us.</p>
<p>You can invent all the financial instruments you like, but in the end the total return on all investments come form company profits.  Simple is fair, &#8220;innovation&#8221; is esentially unjust.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32707</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you work in a bakery, you have leftover extra pastries to take home.

If you work in a software company, there is all kinds of leftover hardware and software to take home.

If you work in finance, guess what there is leftover to take home?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you work in a bakery, you have leftover extra pastries to take home.</p>
<p>If you work in a software company, there is all kinds of leftover hardware and software to take home.</p>
<p>If you work in finance, guess what there is leftover to take home?</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One argument *for* high finance pay is the actual leverage that the job entails. One person can be managing hundreds of millions of dollars (if not more). Lets assume that markets are NOT efficient... and that certain people can beat the market portfolio by some X%. Shouldn&#039;t that person be paid the portfolio notional * X% * some incentive compensation? Lets assume this one guy can beat the market (consistently) by 5%, and he takes the standard 20% (as is hedge-fund pay). If you have a 100MM portfolio, that&#039;s 1MM dollars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One argument *for* high finance pay is the actual leverage that the job entails. One person can be managing hundreds of millions of dollars (if not more). Lets assume that markets are NOT efficient&#8230; and that certain people can beat the market portfolio by some X%. Shouldn&#8217;t that person be paid the portfolio notional * X% * some incentive compensation? Lets assume this one guy can beat the market (consistently) by 5%, and he takes the standard 20% (as is hedge-fund pay). If you have a 100MM portfolio, that&#8217;s 1MM dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32679</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well if you need to defend the regulators in order to be able to attack the bankers that is your problem. But in my world the regulators are supposed to be above the bankers... and so if you do not think that is possible what is it you want to achieve? A world with the regulators as bankers?

I know what I want to achieve. I have been writing about it for many years. I want to get rid of those capital requirements that discriminate in favor of those AAA that do not need it and in favor of those TBTF that no one seems to want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if you need to defend the regulators in order to be able to attack the bankers that is your problem. But in my world the regulators are supposed to be above the bankers&#8230; and so if you do not think that is possible what is it you want to achieve? A world with the regulators as bankers?</p>
<p>I know what I want to achieve. I have been writing about it for many years. I want to get rid of those capital requirements that discriminate in favor of those AAA that do not need it and in favor of those TBTF that no one seems to want.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You ought to know, with your vile defense of the bankers.

&quot;It&#039;s the regulators&#039; fault!&quot;

You mean the same regulators bought and paid for by those same banks? You mean the regulators working with legal tools gutted at the behest of those same banks?

Tell me the banks didn&#039;t get rid of Glass Steagal. Tell me the banks weren&#039;t behind the CFMA. Tell some more lies, since that&#039;s the only thing which can prop up your zombie political agenda.

Why not just go all the way and blame the predatory borrowers? Especially those in the inner cities, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ought to know, with your vile defense of the bankers.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s the regulators&#8217; fault!&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean the same regulators bought and paid for by those same banks? You mean the regulators working with legal tools gutted at the behest of those same banks?</p>
<p>Tell me the banks didn&#8217;t get rid of Glass Steagal. Tell me the banks weren&#8217;t behind the CFMA. Tell some more lies, since that&#8217;s the only thing which can prop up your zombie political agenda.</p>
<p>Why not just go all the way and blame the predatory borrowers? Especially those in the inner cities, right?</p>
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		<title>By: yo</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32653</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[finally, a sane person around here]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>finally, a sane person around here</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32623</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You just proved my point… about some wanting to discuss only their political agendas on Baseline.
Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just proved my point… about some wanting to discuss only their political agendas on Baseline.<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no idea why you&#039;re hectoring me about people turning their children into consumers. When I hear the word &quot;consumer&quot; I reach for my revolver.

As for blaming the regulators, I&#039;d rather just get rid of the criminals rather than have to rely on the cops not to be corrupt. Then we could get rid of the corrupt cops too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea why you&#8217;re hectoring me about people turning their children into consumers. When I hear the word &#8220;consumer&#8221; I reach for my revolver.</p>
<p>As for blaming the regulators, I&#8217;d rather just get rid of the criminals rather than have to rely on the cops not to be corrupt. Then we could get rid of the corrupt cops too.</p>
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		<title>By: oldgal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oldgal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The incentive comp (aka bonuses) became skewed when the incentives became volume based with no considerations for quality. This began in the 80&#039;s when professions became businesses and professional ethic was lost along the way.  It is after all the business of finance, not the profession of finance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The incentive comp (aka bonuses) became skewed when the incentives became volume based with no considerations for quality. This began in the 80&#8242;s when professions became businesses and professional ethic was lost along the way.  It is after all the business of finance, not the profession of finance.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is the correlation between financial industry salaries and the propensity for the Fed to produce bubbles through cheap money?

What is the correlation between financial industry salaries and it being a common Wall Street belief that risky bets gone south will likely be bailed out by the Treasury and Fed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the correlation between financial industry salaries and the propensity for the Fed to produce bubbles through cheap money?</p>
<p>What is the correlation between financial industry salaries and it being a common Wall Street belief that risky bets gone south will likely be bailed out by the Treasury and Fed?</p>
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		<title>By: Bayard</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/01/philippon-reshef-wages-human-capital-financial-industry/#comment-32562</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bayard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is very simple:  without effective regulation to maintain appropriate proportion of finance to the rest of the economy (typical in all oligarchic situations), the finance community is free to do as it wishes, including bolstering its ranks with the best and the brightest.  Why reward shareholders, when you can buy all of the influence you need to maintain economic control.

It&#039;s just verification that the story hasn&#039;t changed, and, further, that it won&#039;t (if the reregulation ends up as weak as it appears), especially if campaign and lobbying laws aren&#039;t changed to modify economic incentives for long run balance.  And, by the way, it is now clear that the next bubble is well on its way, and ready to come to a community near you.  And, further, the media is being highly cooperative, the Baseline Scenario is one of the few outlets that is telling it like it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very simple:  without effective regulation to maintain appropriate proportion of finance to the rest of the economy (typical in all oligarchic situations), the finance community is free to do as it wishes, including bolstering its ranks with the best and the brightest.  Why reward shareholders, when you can buy all of the influence you need to maintain economic control.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just verification that the story hasn&#8217;t changed, and, further, that it won&#8217;t (if the reregulation ends up as weak as it appears), especially if campaign and lobbying laws aren&#8217;t changed to modify economic incentives for long run balance.  And, by the way, it is now clear that the next bubble is well on its way, and ready to come to a community near you.  And, further, the media is being highly cooperative, the Baseline Scenario is one of the few outlets that is telling it like it is.</p>
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