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		<title>By: cerebronaut</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32465</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I were to find out the names on this list, I would consider it my patriotic duty to reveal them to everyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were to find out the names on this list, I would consider it my patriotic duty to reveal them to everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Billy Cunctator</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle Billy Cunctator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Hugo wasn&#039;t so busy living it up at fancy hotels with Michael Moore, he&#039;d get you for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Hugo wasn&#8217;t so busy living it up at fancy hotels with Michael Moore, he&#8217;d get you for that.</p>
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		<title>By: redleg</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32446</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Silly me, but I thought fraud was unlawful.
Prompt Corrective Action is also (toothless) law.
Enforcing these would be a start...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly me, but I thought fraud was unlawful.<br />
Prompt Corrective Action is also (toothless) law.<br />
Enforcing these would be a start&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I am just a stupid housecat and rooter out of Commies, but what &quot;activities ought to be unlawful&quot; are you talking about?

I can think of several, many of them related to financial circuses, but I am not sure yet if we are at all on the same page here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I am just a stupid housecat and rooter out of Commies, but what &#8220;activities ought to be unlawful&#8221; are you talking about?</p>
<p>I can think of several, many of them related to financial circuses, but I am not sure yet if we are at all on the same page here.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In some places though, like in Venezuela, &quot;The Politician&quot; owns the oil plantation directly, and needs no one to conspire with... and that makes it even worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some places though, like in Venezuela, &#8220;The Politician&#8221; owns the oil plantation directly, and needs no one to conspire with&#8230; and that makes it even worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Watching and planning</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Watching and planning]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please direct your attention to the right honorable Ron Paul of Texas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please direct your attention to the right honorable Ron Paul of Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: hermanas</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32410</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The politicians are the field managers for the plantation owners, they conspire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The politicians are the field managers for the plantation owners, they conspire.</p>
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		<title>By: 3-D</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32408</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In fact, the regulation of these firms must be so tough that they feel a strong incentive to slim down or break up in order to get off the list.&quot;

... which has a snowball&#039;s chance in hell of happening, because that&#039;s the opposite of what financial lobbyists are pushing for. This bill, as described, has all the trappings of the usual legislation designed to look like the politicians are &quot;doing something&quot; without changing the status quo. So, business as usual. No surprise there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In fact, the regulation of these firms must be so tough that they feel a strong incentive to slim down or break up in order to get off the list.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; which has a snowball&#8217;s chance in hell of happening, because that&#8217;s the opposite of what financial lobbyists are pushing for. This bill, as described, has all the trappings of the usual legislation designed to look like the politicians are &#8220;doing something&#8221; without changing the status quo. So, business as usual. No surprise there.</p>
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		<title>By: tippygolden</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32407</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Barney&#039;s Financial Hindsight Council&quot;

nice satire :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Barney&#8217;s Financial Hindsight Council&#8221;</p>
<p>nice satire :)</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I wrote and discussed the dangers of systemic risks 1997-2004 I was primarily referring to the systemic risk of having too few regulatory systems and therefore too many going off in the wrong direction, and of the systemic risk of all following too few credit rating agencies. Now what is mostly referred to as systemic risks in the discussions is “the too big to fail issue”. 

If the “too big to fail” is systemic risk and they are going to supervise systemic risk, then the only thing I know is that the “too big to fail” are just going to get bigger, and I shiver about the implications of pre-authorizing the possibility of a bail-out of a bank because it is deemed a systemic risk. Sincerely this is getting crazier by the day.

I can already hear some popular love songs coming up… “Baby if you’ll be my little systemic risk, I’ll be your regulator man!”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I wrote and discussed the dangers of systemic risks 1997-2004 I was primarily referring to the systemic risk of having too few regulatory systems and therefore too many going off in the wrong direction, and of the systemic risk of all following too few credit rating agencies. Now what is mostly referred to as systemic risks in the discussions is “the too big to fail issue”. </p>
<p>If the “too big to fail” is systemic risk and they are going to supervise systemic risk, then the only thing I know is that the “too big to fail” are just going to get bigger, and I shiver about the implications of pre-authorizing the possibility of a bail-out of a bank because it is deemed a systemic risk. Sincerely this is getting crazier by the day.</p>
<p>I can already hear some popular love songs coming up… “Baby if you’ll be my little systemic risk, I’ll be your regulator man!”</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Billy Cunctator</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle Billy Cunctator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Astroturf_blogging]]></description>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UB - you have your definition of an insider and I have mine.  Great job searching, cutting and pasting though!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UB &#8211; you have your definition of an insider and I have mine.  Great job searching, cutting and pasting though!</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Billy Cunctator</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle Billy Cunctator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go away please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go away please.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32376</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe in free speech &quot;Uncle Billy&quot;, but did it ever occur to you that when you attack people who are basically on your side, in the end it gets you nowhere???  And by the way, maybe all these cute conspiracy stories you come up with, might make the site look more wacko???  You know even Noam Chomsky doesn&#039;t believe 911 was a U.S. government conspiracy. You could learn something from him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in free speech &#8220;Uncle Billy&#8221;, but did it ever occur to you that when you attack people who are basically on your side, in the end it gets you nowhere???  And by the way, maybe all these cute conspiracy stories you come up with, might make the site look more wacko???  You know even Noam Chomsky doesn&#8217;t believe 911 was a U.S. government conspiracy. You could learn something from him.</p>
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		<title>By: TonyForesta</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/29/naming-systemically-dangerous-firms/#comment-32375</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TonyForesta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;“Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time, and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out.” 
ANDREW JACKSON, SPEAKING TO INTERNATIONAL BANKERS IN 1832

I post this quote from the right Honorable President Andrew Jackson with the intent of demonstrating the kind of courage, and righteousness necessary to right the current horrible wrongs of our financial system.  

Jessica at 8:22am hits the mark.   The only  - THE ONLY reason for secretiveness in this circumstance is hiding the horrible truth.  The size of the institution is not so critical as that institutions ability to function lawfully and successfully.  THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TBTF!!!   If large or small institutions FAIL, they should and must suffer the consequences of that FAILURE!!!   Heaping all the costs and burdens of that FAILURE on the American taxpayer is a political choice, not a mathmatical necessity.   TBTF oligarchs are shielded by our government for untoward, illicit, insider, illegal and immoral predatorclass reasons that undermine the rule of law and every principle that good government is founded upon, and cause grave injury to the larger society for predatorclass gains exclusively.  NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH benefits from bailing out TBTF oligarchs, outside of the oligarchs themselves, the predatorclass operators who profit from those oligarchs, and the forked tongued politicians that promote and advance the interests of the predatorclass and the oligarchs, and heap all the monsterous costs, burdens, and horrible pains on the people.  A pox on the American finance sector!!!

If there were any courageous leaders and any politicians truly giving voice to the voiceless, we all would hear them say publically in righteous indignation to the thieves, swindlers, PONZI operators, and criminals the US finance oligarchs &quot;You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out.”    

Alas there are no courageous leaders now, and no one giving voice to the voiceless.   All we know today are politicans on the payroll and in the pocket of the predatorclass!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time, and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out.”<br />
ANDREW JACKSON, SPEAKING TO INTERNATIONAL BANKERS IN 1832</p>
<p>I post this quote from the right Honorable President Andrew Jackson with the intent of demonstrating the kind of courage, and righteousness necessary to right the current horrible wrongs of our financial system.  </p>
<p>Jessica at 8:22am hits the mark.   The only  &#8211; THE ONLY reason for secretiveness in this circumstance is hiding the horrible truth.  The size of the institution is not so critical as that institutions ability to function lawfully and successfully.  THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TBTF!!!   If large or small institutions FAIL, they should and must suffer the consequences of that FAILURE!!!   Heaping all the costs and burdens of that FAILURE on the American taxpayer is a political choice, not a mathmatical necessity.   TBTF oligarchs are shielded by our government for untoward, illicit, insider, illegal and immoral predatorclass reasons that undermine the rule of law and every principle that good government is founded upon, and cause grave injury to the larger society for predatorclass gains exclusively.  NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH benefits from bailing out TBTF oligarchs, outside of the oligarchs themselves, the predatorclass operators who profit from those oligarchs, and the forked tongued politicians that promote and advance the interests of the predatorclass and the oligarchs, and heap all the monsterous costs, burdens, and horrible pains on the people.  A pox on the American finance sector!!!</p>
<p>If there were any courageous leaders and any politicians truly giving voice to the voiceless, we all would hear them say publically in righteous indignation to the thieves, swindlers, PONZI operators, and criminals the US finance oligarchs &#8220;You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out.”    </p>
<p>Alas there are no courageous leaders now, and no one giving voice to the voiceless.   All we know today are politicans on the payroll and in the pocket of the predatorclass!!!</p>
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