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		<title>By: Geoffrey Morton-Haworth</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31452</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Morton-Haworth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Mr/Ms Crawford for pointing this out to James/Simon. A dialogue about this dialogue is overdue.

They are stuck in a cycle of digging up a particularly heinous sample of fraud, corruption, ignorance, stupidity, spin or greed. The commentators then respond with suitable exclamations of shock and horror, or by offering their own competing instances of skullduggery. After 50 to 150 remarks, all goes quiet again until the bloggers post their next outrageous tidbit and the pattern repeats.

Whatever is going on here is hardly commensurate with the scale of the catastrophe that awaits us.

There are plenty of sites that do couple thought and action like yours and www.Avaaz.org

By the way, here is your link again – URLs in brackets do not work here.

http://www.showdowninchicago.org/index.html

So, is the dearth of action:
-	Utter disillusionment and loss of faith in macroeconomics?
-	Academic abhorrence of anything practical?
-	Fear of power brokers and becoming branded political troublemakers (surely a bit late to worry about that)?
-	MIT timidity (hasn’t Baseline Scenario played down that link enough already)?
-	Or what?

I do not believe it is a lack of understanding of where to start or what to do to make their case more compelling. This is the age of Wikinomics, Groundswell, We-Think, Here Comes Everybody. MIT has a Centre for Collective Intelligence. Obama, himself, is an object lesson in surfing the social media.

My gut feel is that it is simply that – like anorexics trapped in a dysfunctional frame of reference – Simon and James just can’t see their way out of their rut.

So, come on people. It is not good enough for Susan Hockfield to bemoan the need to downsize, If ever the world needed thought leadership it is now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr/Ms Crawford for pointing this out to James/Simon. A dialogue about this dialogue is overdue.</p>
<p>They are stuck in a cycle of digging up a particularly heinous sample of fraud, corruption, ignorance, stupidity, spin or greed. The commentators then respond with suitable exclamations of shock and horror, or by offering their own competing instances of skullduggery. After 50 to 150 remarks, all goes quiet again until the bloggers post their next outrageous tidbit and the pattern repeats.</p>
<p>Whatever is going on here is hardly commensurate with the scale of the catastrophe that awaits us.</p>
<p>There are plenty of sites that do couple thought and action like yours and <a href="http://www.Avaaz.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.Avaaz.org</a></p>
<p>By the way, here is your link again – URLs in brackets do not work here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.showdowninchicago.org/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.showdowninchicago.org/index.html</a></p>
<p>So, is the dearth of action:<br />
-	Utter disillusionment and loss of faith in macroeconomics?<br />
-	Academic abhorrence of anything practical?<br />
-	Fear of power brokers and becoming branded political troublemakers (surely a bit late to worry about that)?<br />
-	MIT timidity (hasn’t Baseline Scenario played down that link enough already)?<br />
-	Or what?</p>
<p>I do not believe it is a lack of understanding of where to start or what to do to make their case more compelling. This is the age of Wikinomics, Groundswell, We-Think, Here Comes Everybody. MIT has a Centre for Collective Intelligence. Obama, himself, is an object lesson in surfing the social media.</p>
<p>My gut feel is that it is simply that – like anorexics trapped in a dysfunctional frame of reference – Simon and James just can’t see their way out of their rut.</p>
<p>So, come on people. It is not good enough for Susan Hockfield to bemoan the need to downsize, If ever the world needed thought leadership it is now.</p>
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		<title>By: commandante</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31409</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Kwak and Mr. Johnson,

It is simply not true that those of who understand the true nature of the issues that gave rise to the Baseline Scenario are doomed to being helpless victims shouting in the wilderness.  As your own research has clearly shown, small groups of dedicated people are able to affect massive change, through means dictated by circumstances.  That is called leadership, and *all* social change, positive and negative, is the result of leadership.

In that light, I call upon us all to ACT in order to reform not only the U.S. financial sector, but by doing so lay the foundation for the more just society we all seek.

I challenge you, dear sirs, to exercise LEADERSHIP by committing yourselves to acting on your convictions.  It is only through acting on your convictions that you will provide the best possibility for seeing them realized.

In fact, you are already intellectual leaders of a gathering movement, even if you have yet to realize it.  You have it within your power, yes power, to provide necessary sustenance to this movement.  In the immediate term this can be done via the following:

Post information about the Showdown in Chicago (http://www.showdowninchicago.org/index.html), a protest against the same policies that you also oppose.  You need not endorse the action, merely help publicize that people who hold views very similar to your own (i.e., Dean Baker) are brave enough to act.

When you find yourself on major media outlets, like Bill Moyers, mention that there are grassroots organizations fighting this battle.  Again, not an endorsement, just assist us in letting people know such organizations do exist and they can decide for themselves whether joining such an organization is good use of their time.

Provide free speaking engagements to organizations like A New Way Forward (I am a volunteer member of a local ANWF organizing committee), who would absolutely be honored to hear from you.

This is just a start, but it might have more impact than you realize. 

At the very least, please do not help perpetuate the notion that, unless we happen to be a member of the oligarchy or in a position of extreme political power, we must be resigned to our fate on the short end of the stick.

Sincerely,

W.E.B Crawford
Volunteer Organizer ANWF-Bay Area]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Kwak and Mr. Johnson,</p>
<p>It is simply not true that those of who understand the true nature of the issues that gave rise to the Baseline Scenario are doomed to being helpless victims shouting in the wilderness.  As your own research has clearly shown, small groups of dedicated people are able to affect massive change, through means dictated by circumstances.  That is called leadership, and *all* social change, positive and negative, is the result of leadership.</p>
<p>In that light, I call upon us all to ACT in order to reform not only the U.S. financial sector, but by doing so lay the foundation for the more just society we all seek.</p>
<p>I challenge you, dear sirs, to exercise LEADERSHIP by committing yourselves to acting on your convictions.  It is only through acting on your convictions that you will provide the best possibility for seeing them realized.</p>
<p>In fact, you are already intellectual leaders of a gathering movement, even if you have yet to realize it.  You have it within your power, yes power, to provide necessary sustenance to this movement.  In the immediate term this can be done via the following:</p>
<p>Post information about the Showdown in Chicago (<a href="http://www.showdowninchicago.org/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.showdowninchicago.org/index.html</a>), a protest against the same policies that you also oppose.  You need not endorse the action, merely help publicize that people who hold views very similar to your own (i.e., Dean Baker) are brave enough to act.</p>
<p>When you find yourself on major media outlets, like Bill Moyers, mention that there are grassroots organizations fighting this battle.  Again, not an endorsement, just assist us in letting people know such organizations do exist and they can decide for themselves whether joining such an organization is good use of their time.</p>
<p>Provide free speaking engagements to organizations like A New Way Forward (I am a volunteer member of a local ANWF organizing committee), who would absolutely be honored to hear from you.</p>
<p>This is just a start, but it might have more impact than you realize. </p>
<p>At the very least, please do not help perpetuate the notion that, unless we happen to be a member of the oligarchy or in a position of extreme political power, we must be resigned to our fate on the short end of the stick.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>W.E.B Crawford<br />
Volunteer Organizer ANWF-Bay Area</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31193</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[just a reminder:

Life is a sexually transmitted disease that always ends deadly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a reminder:</p>
<p>Life is a sexually transmitted disease that always ends deadly.</p>
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		<title>By: oldgal</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31134</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oldgal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yakkis:  I have yet to hear anyone say it is, and I haven&#039;t seen the question asked.  I am not an economist and am just trying to figure things out...I was serious when I asked the question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yakkis:  I have yet to hear anyone say it is, and I haven&#8217;t seen the question asked.  I am not an economist and am just trying to figure things out&#8230;I was serious when I asked the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m happy to hear you have done well.  It is a refreshing feeling to hear a good health story.  And you are to be applauded for avoiding prescription drugs and not leaning on the government for help.  But I think your story falls way outside the &quot;norm&quot; shall we say.  A large percentage of people your age have diabetes or heart problems, cancer etc.  I just don&#039;t see it (even assuming your good habits) as realistic to expect those results.  

Recently there have been stories in the news about employees at Wal-Mart, Safeway (grocery stores) and others rewarding employees for good health habits with lower insurance premiums.  This is a trend which I imagine catching fire quite quickly because it has saved money for Wal-Mart and it does provide people with an incentive to get their act together.  Although really the incentive to maintain health has always been there, but I guess people in today&#039;s world have to be slapped in the face with that incentive by looking at the monetary bill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happy to hear you have done well.  It is a refreshing feeling to hear a good health story.  And you are to be applauded for avoiding prescription drugs and not leaning on the government for help.  But I think your story falls way outside the &#8220;norm&#8221; shall we say.  A large percentage of people your age have diabetes or heart problems, cancer etc.  I just don&#8217;t see it (even assuming your good habits) as realistic to expect those results.  </p>
<p>Recently there have been stories in the news about employees at Wal-Mart, Safeway (grocery stores) and others rewarding employees for good health habits with lower insurance premiums.  This is a trend which I imagine catching fire quite quickly because it has saved money for Wal-Mart and it does provide people with an incentive to get their act together.  Although really the incentive to maintain health has always been there, but I guess people in today&#8217;s world have to be slapped in the face with that incentive by looking at the monetary bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Palanza</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31082</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Palanza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry about the delay.I&#039;m still learning to keep track of what is said where on these lists.

My story is about buying time to do research as cheaply as possible.

For 20 years prior to taking my SS at 62, I cut my expenses everywhere I could in order to afford time on the book-keeping research. I quit insurance because my medical costs were way less expensive than the insurance. I went on to macrobiotic food to cut my medical services. That and exercise. I took SS at 62 to get a medicare card.

However, when the card came along the home remedies worked so well I found myself more trusting in the home remedies than is the medical attention that a medicare card would buy me.

Part of the macrobiotic advice was to take no drugs, which I have followed since 1991. And so the card sits in my pocket unused.

I know that my case is an exception. People will argue that I have been lucky. But in terms of runaway medical costs, I found an alternatives that not only helps reduce runaway costs, it helps me to have a more fulfilling life.

I read a statistic that on average a medicare card holder spends $8400.00 a year. Suppose there was an advantage to me for saving the government that much money? Might more persons follow the route that I took? Particularly when the doctor is providing services that are designed to fatten is gross receipts.

When insurance takes the consumer out of decision process relative to cost of service,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the delay.I&#8217;m still learning to keep track of what is said where on these lists.</p>
<p>My story is about buying time to do research as cheaply as possible.</p>
<p>For 20 years prior to taking my SS at 62, I cut my expenses everywhere I could in order to afford time on the book-keeping research. I quit insurance because my medical costs were way less expensive than the insurance. I went on to macrobiotic food to cut my medical services. That and exercise. I took SS at 62 to get a medicare card.</p>
<p>However, when the card came along the home remedies worked so well I found myself more trusting in the home remedies than is the medical attention that a medicare card would buy me.</p>
<p>Part of the macrobiotic advice was to take no drugs, which I have followed since 1991. And so the card sits in my pocket unused.</p>
<p>I know that my case is an exception. People will argue that I have been lucky. But in terms of runaway medical costs, I found an alternatives that not only helps reduce runaway costs, it helps me to have a more fulfilling life.</p>
<p>I read a statistic that on average a medicare card holder spends $8400.00 a year. Suppose there was an advantage to me for saving the government that much money? Might more persons follow the route that I took? Particularly when the doctor is providing services that are designed to fatten is gross receipts.</p>
<p>When insurance takes the consumer out of decision process relative to cost of service,</p>
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		<title>By: Yakkis</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31069</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yakkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like meetings either.  There may have been certain advantages to face to face meeting, but I think the internet makes up for it in other ways.
So far, we haven&#039;t seen anything major accomplished over the internet, but the resources are there for when a critical mass forms.  One thing that has killed a lot of grassroots action is that people don&#039;t know what to do after they achieve some kind of limited success.  I think the internet will help a lot with this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like meetings either.  There may have been certain advantages to face to face meeting, but I think the internet makes up for it in other ways.<br />
So far, we haven&#8217;t seen anything major accomplished over the internet, but the resources are there for when a critical mass forms.  One thing that has killed a lot of grassroots action is that people don&#8217;t know what to do after they achieve some kind of limited success.  I think the internet will help a lot with this.</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[will the internet really help people to organise? it makes spreading infos about meeting points and times very efficient but is what we are doing here really useful in seeding a community? 
It is definitely beneficial for me personally and I cherish it for that, my opinion of things has become more focused or adapted or even changed and I get great satisfaction from trying to put ideas into words. 
But would I ever go to a meeting, follow a leader, let alone organize anything for the real world? 
I doubt it and not least because I got this wonderful outlet named internet which supplies me with enough like-minded human interaction that I do not feel the need to go to boring meetings with all their posturing etc. But those real human get-togethers are exactly what helped roughly in the middle of the 1800s to get all those community outfits going - here is a list http://www.zdk-hamburg.de/geschichte.html reads like the little people then had figured out that without their doing something for themselves the fat ones would bleed them more than white. Old-fashioned like I am I believe ideas flourish better in controversy between physically present people where not just words interact but whole persons and their either irritating or reassuring body language. (and note the Prussian state intervened with a law thus standardizing the idea! - big money can&#039;t have corrupted all your local governments, there must be some decent ones with some legislative power left)
or here is a small town mayor whose idea thrives to this day - I imagine he went at it in pubs and on markets just as much as in his office. I can&#039;t imagine how he could have gotten it going on the internet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_Raiffeisen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will the internet really help people to organise? it makes spreading infos about meeting points and times very efficient but is what we are doing here really useful in seeding a community?<br />
It is definitely beneficial for me personally and I cherish it for that, my opinion of things has become more focused or adapted or even changed and I get great satisfaction from trying to put ideas into words.<br />
But would I ever go to a meeting, follow a leader, let alone organize anything for the real world?<br />
I doubt it and not least because I got this wonderful outlet named internet which supplies me with enough like-minded human interaction that I do not feel the need to go to boring meetings with all their posturing etc. But those real human get-togethers are exactly what helped roughly in the middle of the 1800s to get all those community outfits going &#8211; here is a list <a href="http://www.zdk-hamburg.de/geschichte.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.zdk-hamburg.de/geschichte.html</a> reads like the little people then had figured out that without their doing something for themselves the fat ones would bleed them more than white. Old-fashioned like I am I believe ideas flourish better in controversy between physically present people where not just words interact but whole persons and their either irritating or reassuring body language. (and note the Prussian state intervened with a law thus standardizing the idea! &#8211; big money can&#8217;t have corrupted all your local governments, there must be some decent ones with some legislative power left)<br />
or here is a small town mayor whose idea thrives to this day &#8211; I imagine he went at it in pubs and on markets just as much as in his office. I can&#8217;t imagine how he could have gotten it going on the internet<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_Raiffeisen" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_Raiffeisen</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yakkis</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31048</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yakkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh well, I agree.  I shouldn&#039;t use the word collapse to describe what has happened every fifty years or so in Europe for the past 200 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well, I agree.  I shouldn&#8217;t use the word collapse to describe what has happened every fifty years or so in Europe for the past 200 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that&#039;s how real decline looks like and still it laboured on for a little less than 200 years ...
also remember that with that GDP/Debt ratio you will after all that spending still be lower than some still thriving European states (Italy) - and you have that huge land mass in the middle i.e. you have a lot more potential and a lot less people fighting for the same piece of ground than probably anybody else - Russia may have more mass but it doesn&#039;t have oceans on both sides 

http://www.geocities.com/egfrothos/FourthCrusade.html
Though the Nikean exile had strengthened and purified Byzantine culture, the Empire had been too badly damaged and its decline could not be arrested. By the fourteenth century an Arab geographer related seeing “sown fields within the City and many ruined houses”. The Imperial Palace was in ruins the last Latin Emperor had stripped the lead off the roof to pay his debts. A city which had housed one million people lay almost deserted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s how real decline looks like and still it laboured on for a little less than 200 years &#8230;<br />
also remember that with that GDP/Debt ratio you will after all that spending still be lower than some still thriving European states (Italy) &#8211; and you have that huge land mass in the middle i.e. you have a lot more potential and a lot less people fighting for the same piece of ground than probably anybody else &#8211; Russia may have more mass but it doesn&#8217;t have oceans on both sides </p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/egfrothos/FourthCrusade.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/egfrothos/FourthCrusade.html</a><br />
Though the Nikean exile had strengthened and purified Byzantine culture, the Empire had been too badly damaged and its decline could not be arrested. By the fourteenth century an Arab geographer related seeing “sown fields within the City and many ruined houses”. The Imperial Palace was in ruins the last Latin Emperor had stripped the lead off the roof to pay his debts. A city which had housed one million people lay almost deserted.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakkis</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yakkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, I might add that guns are essentially obsolete, and were never that effective to begin with from the point of view of the individual who was in turn being shot at.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I might add that guns are essentially obsolete, and were never that effective to begin with from the point of view of the individual who was in turn being shot at.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakkis</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31038</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yakkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The internet will play the biggest role, I think, in the banding together of people, and in keeping the actuality of the situation in view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internet will play the biggest role, I think, in the banding together of people, and in keeping the actuality of the situation in view.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31037</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re still waiting for this interesting story on why you haven&#039;t used medicare for 12 years.  Head trauma as a child???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re still waiting for this interesting story on why you haven&#8217;t used medicare for 12 years.  Head trauma as a child???</p>
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		<title>By: Yakkis</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yakkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should say one more thing.  People still harbor the hope that the U.S. will not collapse.  Ask yourself if this is realistic given what you see going on.
There are many ways collapse could happen, and many degrees of collapse.  I think if people band together they can to a certain degree influence the failure mode in a way that harms them least, and from which they might be able to rescusitate themselves better afterwards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should say one more thing.  People still harbor the hope that the U.S. will not collapse.  Ask yourself if this is realistic given what you see going on.<br />
There are many ways collapse could happen, and many degrees of collapse.  I think if people band together they can to a certain degree influence the failure mode in a way that harms them least, and from which they might be able to rescusitate themselves better afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakkis</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/16/move-along/#comment-31034</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yakkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To kill the beast you have to starve it:
*starve the politicians of votes; vote for a third party
*starve the media of attention; tune them out and tune into truly independent bloggers
*starve the banks of money; don&#039;t invest, move most money into other currencies, use only local credit unions interested in local community development
*starve the bad corporations of business

You are right that as the beast starves there will be concessions and some attractive offers made, but as long as you realize WHY you are doing it, it shouldn&#039;t take too long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To kill the beast you have to starve it:<br />
*starve the politicians of votes; vote for a third party<br />
*starve the media of attention; tune them out and tune into truly independent bloggers<br />
*starve the banks of money; don&#8217;t invest, move most money into other currencies, use only local credit unions interested in local community development<br />
*starve the bad corporations of business</p>
<p>You are right that as the beast starves there will be concessions and some attractive offers made, but as long as you realize WHY you are doing it, it shouldn&#8217;t take too long.</p>
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