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	<title>Comments on: Tonight On Bill Moyers Journal, This Morning On NPR, And Louis Brandeis</title>
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		<title>By: sophie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sophie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am thinking about buying a few cases of the book &quot;The Creature from Jekyll Island&quot; and passing that on with Ron Paul&#039;s &quot;End the Fed&quot;...

CLEARLY the game that the privately held federal reserve plays is one where the bigger the loss the better because they have orchestrated and campaigned and legeslated (with their puppet legeslators) that for the &quot;good of the public&quot; they will always be bailed out...so while they take larger and bigger risks to try to maximize their take, winning is good, and losing is fine since they have systemitized this method of convincing everyone that it would be just disasterous to let poor little toobigtofail fail...

I recommend everyone ordering a case or two of &#039;THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND&quot; and asking your loved ones and people in a position to change public opinion, to read this--we need to END THE FED.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am thinking about buying a few cases of the book &#8220;The Creature from Jekyll Island&#8221; and passing that on with Ron Paul&#8217;s &#8220;End the Fed&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>CLEARLY the game that the privately held federal reserve plays is one where the bigger the loss the better because they have orchestrated and campaigned and legeslated (with their puppet legeslators) that for the &#8220;good of the public&#8221; they will always be bailed out&#8230;so while they take larger and bigger risks to try to maximize their take, winning is good, and losing is fine since they have systemitized this method of convincing everyone that it would be just disasterous to let poor little toobigtofail fail&#8230;</p>
<p>I recommend everyone ordering a case or two of &#8216;THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND&#8221; and asking your loved ones and people in a position to change public opinion, to read this&#8211;we need to END THE FED.</p>
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		<title>By: John L</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for referencing the bill numbers. I will look into them. 
In our state (Kentucky) Ron&#039;s son Rand Paul is running for U.S. Senate. I can only hope he beats long odds and wins this seat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for referencing the bill numbers. I will look into them.<br />
In our state (Kentucky) Ron&#8217;s son Rand Paul is running for U.S. Senate. I can only hope he beats long odds and wins this seat.</p>
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		<title>By: John L</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I keep saying this....meet the new boss, same as the old boss. How this country is run is akin to a person taking over the counter cold medicines. They treat the symptoms but don&#039;t treat the cause of the symptoms. That&#039;s all this country / our government ever does and it&#039;s very depressing. 
I saw the Moyer&#039;s show and although I heard specifics I didn&#039;t hear any general thoughts that I didn&#039;t already believe. I was particularly bothered by the fact that a prediction of things getting a lot worse and possibly being worse than the Great Depression. We have truly lost our way, but I often wonder if we ever knew where we were going in the first place. 

I also found the comments of the representative about her dealings with Mr. Dimon and JP. Morgan Chase very interesting / sad. Newsweek did an article on this wolf in sheeps clothing a couple of weeks ago and painted him out to be the all knowing financial presence in our country. It even pointed out how much President Obama listens to this guy. Again, a very sad state of affairs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep saying this&#8230;.meet the new boss, same as the old boss. How this country is run is akin to a person taking over the counter cold medicines. They treat the symptoms but don&#8217;t treat the cause of the symptoms. That&#8217;s all this country / our government ever does and it&#8217;s very depressing.<br />
I saw the Moyer&#8217;s show and although I heard specifics I didn&#8217;t hear any general thoughts that I didn&#8217;t already believe. I was particularly bothered by the fact that a prediction of things getting a lot worse and possibly being worse than the Great Depression. We have truly lost our way, but I often wonder if we ever knew where we were going in the first place. </p>
<p>I also found the comments of the representative about her dealings with Mr. Dimon and JP. Morgan Chase very interesting / sad. Newsweek did an article on this wolf in sheeps clothing a couple of weeks ago and painted him out to be the all knowing financial presence in our country. It even pointed out how much President Obama listens to this guy. Again, a very sad state of affairs.</p>
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		<title>By: sophie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sophie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[b.

I totally agree. The banking &quot;crisis&quot; WAS taken care of exactly how Rahm wants to take advantage, more specifically, it IS  the kind of crisis, and it is going along just swimmingly... I am not being partisan with this statement--both parties are bought and paid for by the agents of the privately held Federal Reserve...

I hope everyone is ordering and reading their END THE FED book by Ron Paul, and writing their (most likely) NON-REPRESENTING elected officials to insist they support HR1207 and S604.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>b.</p>
<p>I totally agree. The banking &#8220;crisis&#8221; WAS taken care of exactly how Rahm wants to take advantage, more specifically, it IS  the kind of crisis, and it is going along just swimmingly&#8230; I am not being partisan with this statement&#8211;both parties are bought and paid for by the agents of the privately held Federal Reserve&#8230;</p>
<p>I hope everyone is ordering and reading their END THE FED book by Ron Paul, and writing their (most likely) NON-REPRESENTING elected officials to insist they support HR1207 and S604.</p>
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		<title>By: b.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[b.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon Johnson said this (quoted on Greeenwald):
&quot;Rahm Emanuel, the President&#039;s Chief of Staff has a saying. He&#039;s widely known for saying, &#039;Never let a good crisis go to waste&#039;. Well, the crisis is over, Bill. The crisis in the financial sector, not for people who own homes, but the crisis for the big banks is substantially over. And it was completely wasted.&quot;

That saying is actually the core principle of what Naomi Klein calls &quot;disaster capitalism&quot;, and I am sure that is much closer to what Emanuel had in mind, not the reform and regulation Simon Johnson was referring to. It always causes me a moment of cognitive dissonance reading Simon Johnson making the Emanuel reference, it shifts the perspective to the other side of the looking glass.

This crisis was not wasted at all - the people close to Emanuel&#039;s heart made trillions of it, before, during, and since the collapse and the bailouts. This was the most successfully &quot;exploited&quot; crisis so far. 

Now, &quot;crisis cycle&quot; capitalism has become an institution, and the foundations for the next round have been put in place. It is all &quot;bull&quot;, all the time - first on economy and earnings, then on bailout gains, then back to the economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon Johnson said this (quoted on Greeenwald):<br />
&#8220;Rahm Emanuel, the President&#8217;s Chief of Staff has a saying. He&#8217;s widely known for saying, &#8216;Never let a good crisis go to waste&#8217;. Well, the crisis is over, Bill. The crisis in the financial sector, not for people who own homes, but the crisis for the big banks is substantially over. And it was completely wasted.&#8221;</p>
<p>That saying is actually the core principle of what Naomi Klein calls &#8220;disaster capitalism&#8221;, and I am sure that is much closer to what Emanuel had in mind, not the reform and regulation Simon Johnson was referring to. It always causes me a moment of cognitive dissonance reading Simon Johnson making the Emanuel reference, it shifts the perspective to the other side of the looking glass.</p>
<p>This crisis was not wasted at all &#8211; the people close to Emanuel&#8217;s heart made trillions of it, before, during, and since the collapse and the bailouts. This was the most successfully &#8220;exploited&#8221; crisis so far. </p>
<p>Now, &#8220;crisis cycle&#8221; capitalism has become an institution, and the foundations for the next round have been put in place. It is all &#8220;bull&#8221;, all the time &#8211; first on economy and earnings, then on bailout gains, then back to the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: sophie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sophie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon, I have to say, &quot;THANK YOU!&quot; for your scepticism and your example of Lous the XIV...

You have a powerful voice PRECISELY because of your HONESTY, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT YOU SEE, and that you are concerned about which can RALLY OTHERS TO NOTICE!!! I Beseech you, forget about who may or may not like what you say! When you speak the truth, it is divine, and you are in a divine space here with your efforts!!! Peace be with you!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, I have to say, &#8220;THANK YOU!&#8221; for your scepticism and your example of Lous the XIV&#8230;</p>
<p>You have a powerful voice PRECISELY because of your HONESTY, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT YOU SEE, and that you are concerned about which can RALLY OTHERS TO NOTICE!!! I Beseech you, forget about who may or may not like what you say! When you speak the truth, it is divine, and you are in a divine space here with your efforts!!! Peace be with you!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You wicked people!!!  I bet all of you are community organizers!!!  It makes me so sick!!!  Who need Bill Moyers when we have Glenn Beck to save America!!!  I saw Glenn Beck for the first time on a poster at my dentist&#039;s when I had my last tooth removed, and it was love at first site.  Here are some clips of Glenn Back from The Colbert Report on Comedy Central.  I got this from a link on Andrew Sullivan&#039;s blog.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/252013/october-08-2009/bend-it-like-beck]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wicked people!!!  I bet all of you are community organizers!!!  It makes me so sick!!!  Who need Bill Moyers when we have Glenn Beck to save America!!!  I saw Glenn Beck for the first time on a poster at my dentist&#8217;s when I had my last tooth removed, and it was love at first site.  Here are some clips of Glenn Back from The Colbert Report on Comedy Central.  I got this from a link on Andrew Sullivan&#8217;s blog.<br />
<a href="http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/252013/october-08-2009/bend-it-like-beck" rel="nofollow">http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/252013/october-08-2009/bend-it-like-beck</a></p>
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		<title>By: ome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have the tools to break banks up, the Sherman and Clayton Acts. Make breakup a fait accompli and the oligarch&#039;s mind control efforts will be dropped in the managers&#039; rush to seize the prize pieces of their banks. Make government guarantees contingent on antitrust compliance and it&#039;s done. Get someone at Treasury who knows how to throw her weight around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have the tools to break banks up, the Sherman and Clayton Acts. Make breakup a fait accompli and the oligarch&#8217;s mind control efforts will be dropped in the managers&#8217; rush to seize the prize pieces of their banks. Make government guarantees contingent on antitrust compliance and it&#8217;s done. Get someone at Treasury who knows how to throw her weight around.</p>
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		<title>By: btraven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[btraven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or maybe you are talking about something that I have seen over and over in the computing side of things: lack of oversight (quality assurance) of the data and it&#039;s manipulation.

Examples: Incorrectly programmed calculations.  Intentionally programmed &quot;glitches&quot; to create certain results. People working with data who have no understanding of the data, and can&#039;t identify things that don&#039;t make sense. Databases without data-dictionaries, and the same data with different names in different databases.  Raw data provided by unreliable sources (e.g. worldwide partners).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe you are talking about something that I have seen over and over in the computing side of things: lack of oversight (quality assurance) of the data and it&#8217;s manipulation.</p>
<p>Examples: Incorrectly programmed calculations.  Intentionally programmed &#8220;glitches&#8221; to create certain results. People working with data who have no understanding of the data, and can&#8217;t identify things that don&#8217;t make sense. Databases without data-dictionaries, and the same data with different names in different databases.  Raw data provided by unreliable sources (e.g. worldwide partners).</p>
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		<title>By: btraven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[btraven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bookkeeping?  Or accounting?  The accounting standards are subject to as much influence as the government.

Perhaps you could share more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bookkeeping?  Or accounting?  The accounting standards are subject to as much influence as the government.</p>
<p>Perhaps you could share more.</p>
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		<title>By: btraven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[btraven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally...

Overall, a great job Simon.  I really appreciate that you are doing what you do - and sharing your perspective with the public.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally&#8230;</p>
<p>Overall, a great job Simon.  I really appreciate that you are doing what you do &#8211; and sharing your perspective with the public.</p>
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		<title>By: btraven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[btraven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Representative Marcy Kaptur&#039;s heart is in the right place, and it was great to see she has some awareness of what is going on, but her continued effort to forestall the foreclosures reflects the mediocrity in thinking that plagues CONgress.

- The housing bailouts are a moral hazard.  
- The housing bailouts bailout the lenders and financial industry gamblers.
- Housing bailouts reward people who borrowed irresponsibly and punish people who were responsible and didn&#039;t.
- Housing bailouts keep the prices of homes too high.
- Housing bailouts add to the debt bubble.

If we would let the housing bubble deflate naturally, more people would eventually be able to buy homes, including rhe responsible people.  

Where along in our history as a country (U.S.) did long-term prudent thinking become completely submerged to short-term thinking exclusively?

We are doomed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Representative Marcy Kaptur&#8217;s heart is in the right place, and it was great to see she has some awareness of what is going on, but her continued effort to forestall the foreclosures reflects the mediocrity in thinking that plagues CONgress.</p>
<p>- The housing bailouts are a moral hazard.<br />
- The housing bailouts bailout the lenders and financial industry gamblers.<br />
- Housing bailouts reward people who borrowed irresponsibly and punish people who were responsible and didn&#8217;t.<br />
- Housing bailouts keep the prices of homes too high.<br />
- Housing bailouts add to the debt bubble.</p>
<p>If we would let the housing bubble deflate naturally, more people would eventually be able to buy homes, including rhe responsible people.  </p>
<p>Where along in our history as a country (U.S.) did long-term prudent thinking become completely submerged to short-term thinking exclusively?</p>
<p>We are doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: btraven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[btraven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It’s also true that the undoubted power of major corporations has not prevented waves of productive technological change, mostly brought to us by start-up entrepreneurs.&quot;

I disagree.  

The assertion is lame and hollow.  How do we have any idea what innovation was &quot;lost&quot; because of &quot;the power of major corporations&quot;?  We don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s also true that the undoubted power of major corporations has not prevented waves of productive technological change, mostly brought to us by start-up entrepreneurs.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree.  </p>
<p>The assertion is lame and hollow.  How do we have any idea what innovation was &#8220;lost&#8221; because of &#8220;the power of major corporations&#8221;?  We don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: btraven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[btraven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;McCraw rightly pointed out that some big U.S. firms have been well run over the past century – in fact, many of the best jobs in this country continue to be with large employers (look at the pay packages and benefits around you).&quot;

I disagree.

Those &quot;pay packages and benefits&quot; are, to a large degree, the result of monopoly or monopolistic competition, and the benefits associated with that.

The benefit of Capitalism - innovation, better products and services, and the creation of value - are all undermined through monopoly and monopolistic competition. 

The primary economic role of government in a Capitalistic economy should be to ensure competition in the marketplace. *** It seems we do everything but that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;McCraw rightly pointed out that some big U.S. firms have been well run over the past century – in fact, many of the best jobs in this country continue to be with large employers (look at the pay packages and benefits around you).&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree.</p>
<p>Those &#8220;pay packages and benefits&#8221; are, to a large degree, the result of monopoly or monopolistic competition, and the benefits associated with that.</p>
<p>The benefit of Capitalism &#8211; innovation, better products and services, and the creation of value &#8211; are all undermined through monopoly and monopolistic competition. </p>
<p>The primary economic role of government in a Capitalistic economy should be to ensure competition in the marketplace. *** It seems we do everything but that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;McCraw rightly pointed out that some big U.S. firms have been well run over the past century – in fact, many of the best jobs in this country continue to be with large employers (look at the pay packages and benefits around you).&quot; 

I disagree with this sentiment.

For the most part those better &quot;pay packages and benefits&quot; are due to the undermining of competition through size -- i.e. effective monopolies or monopolistic competition.

I have said this hundreds of times: The primary economic role for government in a Capitalistic economy is to ensure competition in the marketplace, because the natural drive for business is towards monopoly - which ultimately undermines value.

BIG instituions and concentrated wealth and power marks the end of Capitalism.  

I suspect we are headed towards armed rebellion (not immediately) - metaphorically aimed right between Jaime, Ben and Timmy&#039;s eyes (and all they represent).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;McCraw rightly pointed out that some big U.S. firms have been well run over the past century – in fact, many of the best jobs in this country continue to be with large employers (look at the pay packages and benefits around you).&#8221; </p>
<p>I disagree with this sentiment.</p>
<p>For the most part those better &#8220;pay packages and benefits&#8221; are due to the undermining of competition through size &#8212; i.e. effective monopolies or monopolistic competition.</p>
<p>I have said this hundreds of times: The primary economic role for government in a Capitalistic economy is to ensure competition in the marketplace, because the natural drive for business is towards monopoly &#8211; which ultimately undermines value.</p>
<p>BIG instituions and concentrated wealth and power marks the end of Capitalism.  </p>
<p>I suspect we are headed towards armed rebellion (not immediately) &#8211; metaphorically aimed right between Jaime, Ben and Timmy&#8217;s eyes (and all they represent).</p>
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