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		<title>By: Uncle Billy vs. Mont Pelerin</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29726</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brenda, thank you. You have justified my existence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenda, thank you. You have justified my existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Billy vs. Mont Pelerin</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29725</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brenda, thank you.  You have justified my existence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenda, thank you.  You have justified my existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick C</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29636</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a lot of data coming out of the field of Cognitive Psychology on exactly what sort of biases humans have in perceiving risks.  Maybe practical economic models, or at least regulatory models need to include the cognitive biases of the actors.

Take the risk from a VAR model, and divide the outcome by some factor S(g) where g is the distribution of expected outcomes.  The psychological data would allow an exact parameterization of S(g) where human cognitive biases cause a decrease in estimated risk that is roughly proportional to expected gain.

I know this sort of approach isn&#039;t ideal from an objective, scientific perspective...we want our model to only include mechanistic elements of a system.  But if I&#039;m a regulator and I don&#039;t have the resources to dissect a company&#039;s risk model in detail, I might do better to evaluate their model using know statistical properties of how humans bias their perceptions.

These human properties wouldn&#039;t change from model to model, even if the model varied wildly, and regulators would deal with enough cases that they could set up their modeler model so that it would be accurate on average with a particular variance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of data coming out of the field of Cognitive Psychology on exactly what sort of biases humans have in perceiving risks.  Maybe practical economic models, or at least regulatory models need to include the cognitive biases of the actors.</p>
<p>Take the risk from a VAR model, and divide the outcome by some factor S(g) where g is the distribution of expected outcomes.  The psychological data would allow an exact parameterization of S(g) where human cognitive biases cause a decrease in estimated risk that is roughly proportional to expected gain.</p>
<p>I know this sort of approach isn&#8217;t ideal from an objective, scientific perspective&#8230;we want our model to only include mechanistic elements of a system.  But if I&#8217;m a regulator and I don&#8217;t have the resources to dissect a company&#8217;s risk model in detail, I might do better to evaluate their model using know statistical properties of how humans bias their perceptions.</p>
<p>These human properties wouldn&#8217;t change from model to model, even if the model varied wildly, and regulators would deal with enough cases that they could set up their modeler model so that it would be accurate on average with a particular variance.</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29518</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did...  thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did&#8230;  thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raven</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29457</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was an illusion.  The consensus was among people who already agreed and whose heads had been turned by too much money.  The freshwater school didn&#039;t discard falsified hypotheses, didn&#039;t accept critiques from outside, published much work with inadequate peer review or even entirely without peer review.  I&#039;ve actually had a professor of that school cite an unreviewed article and expect me to take it as a valid scholarly sources.

Scientific method is hard in any discipline and it has an ethical component.  There&#039;s an &quot;easy way out&quot; aspect to the failures.  Ultimately, I believe, the failures of the discipline were failures, quite literally, of discipline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was an illusion.  The consensus was among people who already agreed and whose heads had been turned by too much money.  The freshwater school didn&#8217;t discard falsified hypotheses, didn&#8217;t accept critiques from outside, published much work with inadequate peer review or even entirely without peer review.  I&#8217;ve actually had a professor of that school cite an unreviewed article and expect me to take it as a valid scholarly sources.</p>
<p>Scientific method is hard in any discipline and it has an ethical component.  There&#8217;s an &#8220;easy way out&#8221; aspect to the failures.  Ultimately, I believe, the failures of the discipline were failures, quite literally, of discipline.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29432</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the sentance starting with IF in paragraph three, it should read:

 IF you promote the group people enough and not those who question, when you get to the top everyone is doing fancy formulas that say nothing but look good and most are very good at being team players and no longer see the outliers as those people who questioned them are now gone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the sentance starting with IF in paragraph three, it should read:</p>
<p> IF you promote the group people enough and not those who question, when you get to the top everyone is doing fancy formulas that say nothing but look good and most are very good at being team players and no longer see the outliers as those people who questioned them are now gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29431</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I use economics almost daily, I am also trained in archaeology, ancient and early medieval history, and old, languages such as Latin, Old English, etc.  I took the Applied Math class for business, economics and social sciences and refer to my book of Applied Models in Urban and Regional Analysis only when I want to prove a point because math seems to make everyone very happy in my job of town planning, like everyone here I know math lies (hate the show Numbers because of this).  

Please put up with the way I am going to get to my point: 

Human math even a basic concept of 1+1=2 is wrong -- it usually equals 3 (until modern society where it can still be two) or in the case of Twins or Trips 4 or 5, etc.  Stats then gets to fill in where math fails here, but it often fails to look at the outliers and question why they are there -- norms are looked at and we are taught to drop everything else.
  
While I cannot comment on VaR, I can comment on both formulas and why the US loves them based on the math stats statement above.  It is based on our love of teams both in the work place and in sports, and not the individual. While I cannot prove this at this time for this post, my gut says this is why America likes teams because you get the norm or group consensus raising everyone up and not the individual.  Those who say something different or give another view are pushed to the side and often are not listen to, as they are no longer a team player.  These groups then find the math to prove their point and the larger the formula the more they get promoted because it shows what everyone is looking for in the group and for those they have to present to.  Those who do not use formulas as much are not considered team players and tend to like to look at the outliers that need to be questioned and investigated.  As they are not the group norm, these people do not get promoted and eventually find a new job or field.  IF you promote the group people enough and not those who do not question, when you get to the top everyone is doing fancy formulas that say nothing but look good and most are very good at being team players so they no longer see the outliers as those people who questioned them are now gone. Not that everyone knows their Real Colors or what Real Colors is as registered program, but I would suggest that most of the people who do not do well in groups today or do not get promoted are the Greens (6% of pop. of which only 40% are female) who rely on facts and not numbers because they know numbers lie yet these were your thinkers prior to the computers who run today’s great math formulas and print the pretty charts.  This team idea then gets reinforced with the idea it is not politically correct or polite to question the norm.


As your article says and a couple of other posts, basically, those who are not team players (math formula gurus) get left behind.  I will add, these Greens for lack of a better description, will eventually find a new field or often drift from field to field until they start their own business or give up.  For those who did not know, this starts in college as the student drifts looking for a field they can finally say yes to without upsetting the Prof by constantly questioning and looking for other ways to do things without formulas.  Usually they land in history or they accumulate enough credits in college to have many degrees, but never graduate.  In the 1600 - 1800s, they would have been encouraged more and considered a great thinking mind by joining societies just to debate ideas and write papers on them without being a Prof -- if they came from the right social class or had a patron. Today’s Universities have started this problem of conformity and formulas for grades and eventually pay in the work place.  Teams and formulas unfortunately,  do not lend well to honest Socratic teaching/questioning, discussion, philosophy or the running of businesses in general.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I use economics almost daily, I am also trained in archaeology, ancient and early medieval history, and old, languages such as Latin, Old English, etc.  I took the Applied Math class for business, economics and social sciences and refer to my book of Applied Models in Urban and Regional Analysis only when I want to prove a point because math seems to make everyone very happy in my job of town planning, like everyone here I know math lies (hate the show Numbers because of this).  </p>
<p>Please put up with the way I am going to get to my point: </p>
<p>Human math even a basic concept of 1+1=2 is wrong &#8212; it usually equals 3 (until modern society where it can still be two) or in the case of Twins or Trips 4 or 5, etc.  Stats then gets to fill in where math fails here, but it often fails to look at the outliers and question why they are there &#8212; norms are looked at and we are taught to drop everything else.</p>
<p>While I cannot comment on VaR, I can comment on both formulas and why the US loves them based on the math stats statement above.  It is based on our love of teams both in the work place and in sports, and not the individual. While I cannot prove this at this time for this post, my gut says this is why America likes teams because you get the norm or group consensus raising everyone up and not the individual.  Those who say something different or give another view are pushed to the side and often are not listen to, as they are no longer a team player.  These groups then find the math to prove their point and the larger the formula the more they get promoted because it shows what everyone is looking for in the group and for those they have to present to.  Those who do not use formulas as much are not considered team players and tend to like to look at the outliers that need to be questioned and investigated.  As they are not the group norm, these people do not get promoted and eventually find a new job or field.  IF you promote the group people enough and not those who do not question, when you get to the top everyone is doing fancy formulas that say nothing but look good and most are very good at being team players so they no longer see the outliers as those people who questioned them are now gone. Not that everyone knows their Real Colors or what Real Colors is as registered program, but I would suggest that most of the people who do not do well in groups today or do not get promoted are the Greens (6% of pop. of which only 40% are female) who rely on facts and not numbers because they know numbers lie yet these were your thinkers prior to the computers who run today’s great math formulas and print the pretty charts.  This team idea then gets reinforced with the idea it is not politically correct or polite to question the norm.</p>
<p>As your article says and a couple of other posts, basically, those who are not team players (math formula gurus) get left behind.  I will add, these Greens for lack of a better description, will eventually find a new field or often drift from field to field until they start their own business or give up.  For those who did not know, this starts in college as the student drifts looking for a field they can finally say yes to without upsetting the Prof by constantly questioning and looking for other ways to do things without formulas.  Usually they land in history or they accumulate enough credits in college to have many degrees, but never graduate.  In the 1600 &#8211; 1800s, they would have been encouraged more and considered a great thinking mind by joining societies just to debate ideas and write papers on them without being a Prof &#8212; if they came from the right social class or had a patron. Today’s Universities have started this problem of conformity and formulas for grades and eventually pay in the work place.  Teams and formulas unfortunately,  do not lend well to honest Socratic teaching/questioning, discussion, philosophy or the running of businesses in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Around</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29415</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All links to Taleb appreciated.  He&#039;ll never climb the pinnacles of power as he is guilty of truth telling.  We should all be thankful for the few like him and you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All links to Taleb appreciated.  He&#8217;ll never climb the pinnacles of power as he is guilty of truth telling.  We should all be thankful for the few like him and you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam K.</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam K.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I certainly agree with you on the fundamentalism point. However, I re-iterate that the job of AI, however you define it, is not to necessarily model the complexity of the world in a quantitative fashion, whereas that certainly *is* the job of risk models. Frankly, I don&#039;t think people are much better at making financial decisions than most models out there, aside from saying &quot;there is too much uncertainty, therefor I won&#039;t invest.&quot; I feel like financial models are unfairly criticized sometimes because they are expected to &quot;walk the line&quot; of the uncertainty and decided the break even point to a rather unrealistic precision. No one wants a model that says &quot;all this stuff is too risky,&quot; but people are considered wise for saying exactly the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly agree with you on the fundamentalism point. However, I re-iterate that the job of AI, however you define it, is not to necessarily model the complexity of the world in a quantitative fashion, whereas that certainly *is* the job of risk models. Frankly, I don&#8217;t think people are much better at making financial decisions than most models out there, aside from saying &#8220;there is too much uncertainty, therefor I won&#8217;t invest.&#8221; I feel like financial models are unfairly criticized sometimes because they are expected to &#8220;walk the line&#8221; of the uncertainty and decided the break even point to a rather unrealistic precision. No one wants a model that says &#8220;all this stuff is too risky,&#8221; but people are considered wise for saying exactly the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Palanza</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Palanza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Models have always been a convenient mechanism to approximate risk, almost like an adjunct to a balance sheet or income statement–also tools not to be taken literally.&quot;

An Income Statement and its Balance Sheet ought to reflect a real history. There is no excuse for it not to be doing so in a computer age. Isn&#039;t the real problem here that large central banks, an experiment that is less than 30 years old, is a proven failure?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Models have always been a convenient mechanism to approximate risk, almost like an adjunct to a balance sheet or income statement–also tools not to be taken literally.&#8221;</p>
<p>An Income Statement and its Balance Sheet ought to reflect a real history. There is no excuse for it not to be doing so in a computer age. Isn&#8217;t the real problem here that large central banks, an experiment that is less than 30 years old, is a proven failure?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Palanza</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Palanza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tippy said:
&quot;I thought of the artificial intelligence analogy because both AI and the VaR models might work if the computer programs could build in the complexity of the real world.&quot;

The only way that you will build a model that reflects the complexity of the real work is collecting data using a double-entry book-keeping framework of rules that supports a deep cost accounting. &quot;Capital,&quot; after all, is a potential return on the &quot;cash-value in trade&quot; where cash value is decided using data from actual marketplace trades.

If one is counting gambling bets as having &quot;cash-value&quot; then such a model will always be inaccurate and volatile simply because its data is incorrect in terms of what &quot;capital&quot; is. Where cash value in trade is a real factor in a model, capital is a potential value in exchange for the real value.

The only time you will know the real value of a bet on future conditions is when it succeeds or fails.

What is happening with banks gambling with dollars in place of chips is that the bank has no way of measuring the probability of real-gains [losses] from betting without the deep-cost accounting. If the bank had the deep-cost-accounting capability, transactions that are a gambling bet will not post because a wager has no &quot;present cash-value in trade,&quot; hence it will have no balancing &quot;capital-potential in exchange.&quot;

There will be no solution to this melt-down until we recognize the need for a fair and impartial control-language, which double-entry book-keeping had been until about 1980.

Financial modeling of risk that skips the proper book-keeping framework of rules is now and always will be a bad joke played on the greater culture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tippy said:<br />
&#8220;I thought of the artificial intelligence analogy because both AI and the VaR models might work if the computer programs could build in the complexity of the real world.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only way that you will build a model that reflects the complexity of the real work is collecting data using a double-entry book-keeping framework of rules that supports a deep cost accounting. &#8220;Capital,&#8221; after all, is a potential return on the &#8220;cash-value in trade&#8221; where cash value is decided using data from actual marketplace trades.</p>
<p>If one is counting gambling bets as having &#8220;cash-value&#8221; then such a model will always be inaccurate and volatile simply because its data is incorrect in terms of what &#8220;capital&#8221; is. Where cash value in trade is a real factor in a model, capital is a potential value in exchange for the real value.</p>
<p>The only time you will know the real value of a bet on future conditions is when it succeeds or fails.</p>
<p>What is happening with banks gambling with dollars in place of chips is that the bank has no way of measuring the probability of real-gains [losses] from betting without the deep-cost accounting. If the bank had the deep-cost-accounting capability, transactions that are a gambling bet will not post because a wager has no &#8220;present cash-value in trade,&#8221; hence it will have no balancing &#8220;capital-potential in exchange.&#8221;</p>
<p>There will be no solution to this melt-down until we recognize the need for a fair and impartial control-language, which double-entry book-keeping had been until about 1980.</p>
<p>Financial modeling of risk that skips the proper book-keeping framework of rules is now and always will be a bad joke played on the greater culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Billy vs. Mont Pelerin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle Billy vs. Mont Pelerin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The collection of emotions together with memories and patterns of thought is what we describe as personality.  Seems like this individuality is something we are afraid of giving up.  Let&#039;s say we are able to lose the bodies completely soon and we are able to maintain our personalities as free-floating blobs of energy, for example.  We won&#039;t have many &quot;needs&quot; at that point.  So most of the drivers of our current behaviour will be gone.  We&#039;ll still need to worry about upkeep, one would think -- safeguarding our existence, whatever form it will take.  But other than that, no food, water, land, yacht, sex issues.  Need to feel like Alexander the Great for an hour?  Not a problem.  So, most of our activity, is going to be directed at possibly 1) Continued learning about the universe(s)  2) Games and other pastimes.  We&#039;ll probably have to learn how to escape ticking planets like the earth, but other than that life shouldn&#039;t be too uneventful.  We&#039;ll probably won&#039;t even need a way to operate machinery at some point.  Is it conceivable that we would be able to perform all experimentation in our &quot;heads&quot;?  

Last musing: We&#039;ve already become a sort of large interconnected brain with the help of the communication services and devices.  Would the ultimate evolution be one single brain, integrated with synthetic new thinking modules that we create ourselves?  Would we let this happen, or is our individuality and survival instinct too strong?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The collection of emotions together with memories and patterns of thought is what we describe as personality.  Seems like this individuality is something we are afraid of giving up.  Let&#8217;s say we are able to lose the bodies completely soon and we are able to maintain our personalities as free-floating blobs of energy, for example.  We won&#8217;t have many &#8220;needs&#8221; at that point.  So most of the drivers of our current behaviour will be gone.  We&#8217;ll still need to worry about upkeep, one would think &#8212; safeguarding our existence, whatever form it will take.  But other than that, no food, water, land, yacht, sex issues.  Need to feel like Alexander the Great for an hour?  Not a problem.  So, most of our activity, is going to be directed at possibly 1) Continued learning about the universe(s)  2) Games and other pastimes.  We&#8217;ll probably have to learn how to escape ticking planets like the earth, but other than that life shouldn&#8217;t be too uneventful.  We&#8217;ll probably won&#8217;t even need a way to operate machinery at some point.  Is it conceivable that we would be able to perform all experimentation in our &#8220;heads&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Last musing: We&#8217;ve already become a sort of large interconnected brain with the help of the communication services and devices.  Would the ultimate evolution be one single brain, integrated with synthetic new thinking modules that we create ourselves?  Would we let this happen, or is our individuality and survival instinct too strong?</p>
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		<title>By: Bayard</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 06:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, the moral of the story is, find a mathematical concept/formula(e) which results in an outcome that is agreeable to us, and even if it is unreliable in certain cirmstances we should continue to use it to justify doing the wrong thing.  Philosophically this is sort of inverse Machiavellian, that the end, even if it isn&#039;t justified by the means doesn&#039;t matter, since most of the results which interest us come before the end, and then the final coup de grace is that the government (i.e. Congress, regulators, Fed, Treasury, etal) will rescue us even if our models are completely whacked out.  This is the way that mathematics can pave the road to ethical hell.

Help us, oh great and good god of finance to continue to find ways, ethical or otherwise, to serve our desire for money, regardless of outcomes for those who are not us.

It is a world that I don&#039;t want to live in.  When did this happen, and who will stand up against it?  I guess that part of the answer is the pledge signing failure at Harvard Business School, by those who don&#039;t have any believe in the common good!!!  Eliot wrote about this outcome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the moral of the story is, find a mathematical concept/formula(e) which results in an outcome that is agreeable to us, and even if it is unreliable in certain cirmstances we should continue to use it to justify doing the wrong thing.  Philosophically this is sort of inverse Machiavellian, that the end, even if it isn&#8217;t justified by the means doesn&#8217;t matter, since most of the results which interest us come before the end, and then the final coup de grace is that the government (i.e. Congress, regulators, Fed, Treasury, etal) will rescue us even if our models are completely whacked out.  This is the way that mathematics can pave the road to ethical hell.</p>
<p>Help us, oh great and good god of finance to continue to find ways, ethical or otherwise, to serve our desire for money, regardless of outcomes for those who are not us.</p>
<p>It is a world that I don&#8217;t want to live in.  When did this happen, and who will stand up against it?  I guess that part of the answer is the pledge signing failure at Harvard Business School, by those who don&#8217;t have any believe in the common good!!!  Eliot wrote about this outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29403</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stats Guy,
There already is. It&#039;s commonly referred to as a &quot;damned lie&quot;.  Not sure if that&#039;s listed in a W. Edwards Deming book or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stats Guy,<br />
There already is. It&#8217;s commonly referred to as a &#8220;damned lie&#8221;.  Not sure if that&#8217;s listed in a W. Edwards Deming book or not.</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/01/the-economics-of-models/#comment-29402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StatsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I see what you are getting at...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I see what you are getting at&#8230;</p>
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