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		<title>By: Todd Tucker</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Tucker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon, this is a very good post, and I stand fully behind your tactical recommendation to increase U.S. capital requirements above bottom-feeder levels.

But I think you err in insisting &quot;this process needs to be WTO-compliant.&quot;

As I blog about over at www.EyesOnTrade.Org, all the existing and proposed WTO disciplines on such domestic regulations are going in the opposite direction to what you propose.

We should try to walk and chew gum at the same time: pushing for higher U.S. capital requirements, while simultaneously pushing WTO reform. If we don&#039;t do both, the WTO will come to bite us later.

Full post here: http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2009/09/g20-summit-yes-actually-dangerous.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, this is a very good post, and I stand fully behind your tactical recommendation to increase U.S. capital requirements above bottom-feeder levels.</p>
<p>But I think you err in insisting &#8220;this process needs to be WTO-compliant.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I blog about over at <a href="http://www.EyesOnTrade.Org" rel="nofollow">http://www.EyesOnTrade.Org</a>, all the existing and proposed WTO disciplines on such domestic regulations are going in the opposite direction to what you propose.</p>
<p>We should try to walk and chew gum at the same time: pushing for higher U.S. capital requirements, while simultaneously pushing WTO reform. If we don&#8217;t do both, the WTO will come to bite us later.</p>
<p>Full post here: <a href="http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2009/09/g20-summit-yes-actually-dangerous.html" rel="nofollow">http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2009/09/g20-summit-yes-actually-dangerous.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong. The problem was not that big systemically important institutions had especially low capital requirements but that they were invested in assets that have especially low capital requirements and so the first step is to increase the capital requirements for all those “risk-free” assets... and the rest will follow.

Again careful with whom you ask about capital risk ratios... most probably they will not know enough what they are talking about. 

On Lehman again, here you find some figures: 
http://www.google.ca/finance?q=OTC:LEHMQ&amp;fstype=ii]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong. The problem was not that big systemically important institutions had especially low capital requirements but that they were invested in assets that have especially low capital requirements and so the first step is to increase the capital requirements for all those “risk-free” assets&#8230; and the rest will follow.</p>
<p>Again careful with whom you ask about capital risk ratios&#8230; most probably they will not know enough what they are talking about. </p>
<p>On Lehman again, here you find some figures:<br />
<a href="http://www.google.ca/finance?q=OTC:LEHMQ&#038;fstype=ii" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.ca/finance?q=OTC:LEHMQ&#038;fstype=ii</a></p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29144</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StatsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the key points is increasing the capital levels disproportionately for large, systemically important institutions.  The notion is to create a cost to banks to get bigger, to offset the cost that the government would need to pay to rescue them.

But as the general principle behind higher capital costs and requiring long term compensation schedules, you raise very good points here.  Per K. commented that 11.6% tier one capital was its _effective_ capital after adjustment for debt rating.  I admit to being slow in following this data - do you have any more information on this, or was 11.6% really it&#039;s raw capital asset ratio?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the key points is increasing the capital levels disproportionately for large, systemically important institutions.  The notion is to create a cost to banks to get bigger, to offset the cost that the government would need to pay to rescue them.</p>
<p>But as the general principle behind higher capital costs and requiring long term compensation schedules, you raise very good points here.  Per K. commented that 11.6% tier one capital was its _effective_ capital after adjustment for debt rating.  I admit to being slow in following this data &#8211; do you have any more information on this, or was 11.6% really it&#8217;s raw capital asset ratio?</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous n+1</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous n+1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/release/2008-152a.pdf (see the profits made by banks trading desks on downwards sloped equities markets)

How many paid staff employees (at whichever levels) will step up and say financial markets are corrupted? How many of them would step up and write it? how many within organizations will step up against foolish CEO s strategy?
The main public perception is a mitigated knowledge of the situation, never to be enriched by the financial press.
After all J dos Pasos wrote  of course CPI obliges, one should read billionaire.
That was banality untill nowadays when the legacy has become the real world financial burden, when the economic future is impaired by a collective financial robbery having discounted the long term future.
Bloggs are supplementing information defisciency,anonymity is not a lack of bravado,but the wish to be read for the substance in total abstract of recommendation ,professional or educational.
Will you one day try to measure the positve contribution of the economics bloggs if only for offering alternative thinking? or just merely secretely aknowledge that shadow economics and illusionary financial power have produced unforeseen mutants?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/release/2008-152a.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/release/2008-152a.pdf</a> (see the profits made by banks trading desks on downwards sloped equities markets)</p>
<p>How many paid staff employees (at whichever levels) will step up and say financial markets are corrupted? How many of them would step up and write it? how many within organizations will step up against foolish CEO s strategy?<br />
The main public perception is a mitigated knowledge of the situation, never to be enriched by the financial press.<br />
After all J dos Pasos wrote  of course CPI obliges, one should read billionaire.<br />
That was banality untill nowadays when the legacy has become the real world financial burden, when the economic future is impaired by a collective financial robbery having discounted the long term future.<br />
Bloggs are supplementing information defisciency,anonymity is not a lack of bravado,but the wish to be read for the substance in total abstract of recommendation ,professional or educational.<br />
Will you one day try to measure the positve contribution of the economics bloggs if only for offering alternative thinking? or just merely secretely aknowledge that shadow economics and illusionary financial power have produced unforeseen mutants?</p>
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		<title>By: AkulJay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AkulJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree with you - MrM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you &#8211; MrM.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You must see the Sunday comic strip Doonesbury.  THis is bold even for Gary Trudeau.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must see the Sunday comic strip Doonesbury.  THis is bold even for Gary Trudeau.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29088</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon Johnson says “but Lehman had 11.6% tier one capital on the day before it failed and the US banking system used to carry much more capital – back in the days when it really was bailout free (think 20-30% in modern equivalent terms (see slide 40 here).”

And for the umpteenth time Simon Johnson displays his absolute ignorance on what the Basel risk-weighted capital ratios mean. 

Before the Basel era the capital ratios of banks were obtained by dividing capital by “total bank assets”. Now with Basel, the capital ratios are the result of capital divided by “total risk-weighted bank assets” and so we are NOT talking about the same figures. 

If Lehman had only had a traditional 11.6% tier one capital ratio most probably everything would be just fine. The problem is that since the real denominator was so much higher that the “risk-adjusted” denominator the real ratio was so much lower in fact total capital to total traditional assets of Lehman, on May 31, 2008 was below 4.3%. http://www.google.ca/finance?q=OTC:LEHMQ&amp;fstype=ii

Let me explain to Simon once again some basic facts of life. If the risk-weights used when weighing risk are wrong, then the result means zilch!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon Johnson says “but Lehman had 11.6% tier one capital on the day before it failed and the US banking system used to carry much more capital – back in the days when it really was bailout free (think 20-30% in modern equivalent terms (see slide 40 here).”</p>
<p>And for the umpteenth time Simon Johnson displays his absolute ignorance on what the Basel risk-weighted capital ratios mean. </p>
<p>Before the Basel era the capital ratios of banks were obtained by dividing capital by “total bank assets”. Now with Basel, the capital ratios are the result of capital divided by “total risk-weighted bank assets” and so we are NOT talking about the same figures. </p>
<p>If Lehman had only had a traditional 11.6% tier one capital ratio most probably everything would be just fine. The problem is that since the real denominator was so much higher that the “risk-adjusted” denominator the real ratio was so much lower in fact total capital to total traditional assets of Lehman, on May 31, 2008 was below 4.3%. <a href="http://www.google.ca/finance?q=OTC:LEHMQ&#038;fstype=ii" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.ca/finance?q=OTC:LEHMQ&#038;fstype=ii</a></p>
<p>Let me explain to Simon once again some basic facts of life. If the risk-weights used when weighing risk are wrong, then the result means zilch!</p>
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		<title>By: Lavrenti Beria</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lavrenti Beria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anonymous,

Something about, &quot;Why not take them, bend over, feel around, and when you’ve got the right spot, stick ‘em where the moon don’t shine&quot;, you didn&#039;t understand, chief? Tell you what, then, try this approach instead: Draw a tub of hot water and set out in search of a razor blade. Don’t take too long, now. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous,</p>
<p>Something about, &#8220;Why not take them, bend over, feel around, and when you’ve got the right spot, stick ‘em where the moon don’t shine&#8221;, you didn&#8217;t understand, chief? Tell you what, then, try this approach instead: Draw a tub of hot water and set out in search of a razor blade. Don’t take too long, now. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good grief! Grow up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief! Grow up!</p>
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		<title>By: Lavrenti Beria</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29084</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lavrenti Beria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anonymous,

Now have we offended your very delicate and carefully nurtured sensibilities, anonymous? Why not take them, bend over, feel around, and when you&#039;ve got the right spot, stick &#039;em where the moon don&#039;t shine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous,</p>
<p>Now have we offended your very delicate and carefully nurtured sensibilities, anonymous? Why not take them, bend over, feel around, and when you&#8217;ve got the right spot, stick &#8216;em where the moon don&#8217;t shine.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29083</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fully agree:

&quot;language matters: it’s a short step from dehumanizing your opponents to bombing them&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fully agree:</p>
<p>&#8220;language matters: it’s a short step from dehumanizing your opponents to bombing them&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29081</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good grief! Grow up! This kind of language is a discredit to any semblance of reasonable debate and disgreement:

&quot;Take you PC and your counting to ten, bend over, feel around and when you’ve got the right spot, stick ‘em both where the moon don’t shine.&quot;

&quot;Draw a tub of hot water and set out in search of a razor blade. Don’t take too long, now. :-)&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief! Grow up! This kind of language is a discredit to any semblance of reasonable debate and disgreement:</p>
<p>&#8220;Take you PC and your counting to ten, bend over, feel around and when you’ve got the right spot, stick ‘em both where the moon don’t shine.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Draw a tub of hot water and set out in search of a razor blade. Don’t take too long, now. :-)&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ingersall</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29065</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ingersall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the traditional banking side the large banks have had to lever up because they must price down.   They must buy business because they have adopted a commodity model.     Sell money cheap, either in terms of margin or in terms of quality, or both.    So as public companies to drive stock price they must keep feeding the production monster because they have never solved the problem of customer retention.     When you have eliminated the local community function and cut cost to where service is poor, attrition results.    Feeding the production monster requires immediate gratification for production staff and senior management.    The rest is history, and sadly, still future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the traditional banking side the large banks have had to lever up because they must price down.   They must buy business because they have adopted a commodity model.     Sell money cheap, either in terms of margin or in terms of quality, or both.    So as public companies to drive stock price they must keep feeding the production monster because they have never solved the problem of customer retention.     When you have eliminated the local community function and cut cost to where service is poor, attrition results.    Feeding the production monster requires immediate gratification for production staff and senior management.    The rest is history, and sadly, still future.</p>
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		<title>By: Lavrenti Beria</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29063</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lavrenti Beria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Egan,

Oh, goodness, son, no defense was ever purposed here. Just a little help for the slow-witted, that&#039;s all. And since you would seem to have a rather considerable fascination with grammar, so you won&#039;t again appear the schlemeil, you may want to look into the rules governing the use of capitals when multiple sentences follow a colon. :-)

By the way, did you take my suggestion about bending over and feeling around for the sweet spot? I wouldn&#039;t think so. That method usually is curative and, sadly, you give us no evidence whatsoever of a cure. Tell you what, try this approach instead: Draw a tub of hot water and set out in search of a razor blade. Don&#039;t take too long, now. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Egan,</p>
<p>Oh, goodness, son, no defense was ever purposed here. Just a little help for the slow-witted, that&#8217;s all. And since you would seem to have a rather considerable fascination with grammar, so you won&#8217;t again appear the schlemeil, you may want to look into the rules governing the use of capitals when multiple sentences follow a colon. :-)</p>
<p>By the way, did you take my suggestion about bending over and feeling around for the sweet spot? I wouldn&#8217;t think so. That method usually is curative and, sadly, you give us no evidence whatsoever of a cure. Tell you what, try this approach instead: Draw a tub of hot water and set out in search of a razor blade. Don&#8217;t take too long, now. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Egan</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/26/was-the-g20-summit-actually-dangerous/#comment-29059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Egan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 04:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Niall Ferguson defense--works about as well for you as it did for him. If you really did march in the 60s, as I did, you&#039;ve slipped since then. Your grammar&#039;s not too good, either: an AIPAC Stepin Fetchit is still a Stepin Fetchit; you compared a black man to Stepin Fetchit. (Do you know how feature analysis works for metaphors? If not, you need to read up before you sling around phrases like that.) 

It&#039;s a racist insult, whatever you thought you were saying. Hey, novel approach: why don&#039;t you just say you&#039;re sorry, you didn&#039;t mean it that way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Niall Ferguson defense&#8211;works about as well for you as it did for him. If you really did march in the 60s, as I did, you&#8217;ve slipped since then. Your grammar&#8217;s not too good, either: an AIPAC Stepin Fetchit is still a Stepin Fetchit; you compared a black man to Stepin Fetchit. (Do you know how feature analysis works for metaphors? If not, you need to read up before you sling around phrases like that.) </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a racist insult, whatever you thought you were saying. Hey, novel approach: why don&#8217;t you just say you&#8217;re sorry, you didn&#8217;t mean it that way?</p>
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