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	<title>Comments on: G20 Thinking: &#8220;In The Medium Run We Are All Retired&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: lambert strether</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/#comment-28918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lambert strether]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;medium term&quot; reminds of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_(unit)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Friedman Unit&lt;/a&gt; in the political blogosphere, but the FU is only six months.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;medium term&#8221; reminds of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_(unit)" rel="nofollow">the Friedman Unit</a> in the political blogosphere, but the FU is only six months.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/#comment-28880</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry. Mi intention was only to send the link and not have it embedded... nonetheless it is not a bad thing reminding the baby-boomers that there is also a world after them... that supposedly also has some rights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. Mi intention was only to send the link and not have it embedded&#8230; nonetheless it is not a bad thing reminding the baby-boomers that there is also a world after them&#8230; that supposedly also has some rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/#comment-28878</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“In The Medium Run We Are All Retired” Yes and our kids are all in the thick of it Ha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzQUtElQXX0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In The Medium Run We Are All Retired” Yes and our kids are all in the thick of it Ha!<br />
<span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/NzQUtElQXX0/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: tjscottjr</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/#comment-28869</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tjscottjr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t all of this read like a chapter out of &quot;Atlas Shrugged&quot;?  The parallels are hard to ignore.  Accomplishment is seen as subservient to &quot;need&quot;.  Sacrifice for the sake of the collective is a virtue.  Businesses become corrupted by government handouts and favors. And all this will probably end in a manner similar to the ending of the book; badly, very badly.  I could be wrong.  I hope I&#039;m wrong but I fear I&#039;m not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t all of this read like a chapter out of &#8220;Atlas Shrugged&#8221;?  The parallels are hard to ignore.  Accomplishment is seen as subservient to &#8220;need&#8221;.  Sacrifice for the sake of the collective is a virtue.  Businesses become corrupted by government handouts and favors. And all this will probably end in a manner similar to the ending of the book; badly, very badly.  I could be wrong.  I hope I&#8217;m wrong but I fear I&#8217;m not.</p>
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		<title>By: steve from virginia</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/#comment-28824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve from virginia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Simon Johnson “But unless and until the leaders take any steps to address our pressing financial sector vulnerabilities, the summit is not worth its carbon footprint.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

One has decoupled from the other - finance from production - and nether the twain shall meet. That&#039;s right, nether, the G20 is an anachronism not worth its energy footprint.

Mr Johnson has suggested previously an administrative coup of the financiers ... to no effect. Not one drop of new oil can they conjure from their various swindles, they can only tax and tax some more against a declining base of (questionably) useful industry. 

Medium term would be usefully addressed if G20 would work together to insure the basic survival tools for their unwary populations. They won&#039;t and that is the end of their credibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Simon Johnson “But unless and until the leaders take any steps to address our pressing financial sector vulnerabilities, the summit is not worth its carbon footprint.”</p></blockquote>
<p>One has decoupled from the other &#8211; finance from production &#8211; and nether the twain shall meet. That&#8217;s right, nether, the G20 is an anachronism not worth its energy footprint.</p>
<p>Mr Johnson has suggested previously an administrative coup of the financiers &#8230; to no effect. Not one drop of new oil can they conjure from their various swindles, they can only tax and tax some more against a declining base of (questionably) useful industry. </p>
<p>Medium term would be usefully addressed if G20 would work together to insure the basic survival tools for their unwary populations. They won&#8217;t and that is the end of their credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Serge</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/#comment-28814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I heard about that.  Didn&#039;t they close schools and ask residents not to leave their homes?

It really makes it clear how the global leadership thinks of the people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I heard about that.  Didn&#8217;t they close schools and ask residents not to leave their homes?</p>
<p>It really makes it clear how the global leadership thinks of the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s be real here - &quot;medium term&quot; is just the political class&#039;s way of saying we&#039;re going to &quot;kick the can down the road&quot; and let someone else worry about real change.

I&#039;m befuddled by how so many supposedly smart people have acted like chronic drunk drivers.  First the car almost goes over the cliff.  It&#039;s only because of luck, quick (though belated) and massive policy response did they keep the car from going over (granted we still missed the road).  As with any chronic drunk we&#039;re in denial of how bad our problem is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be real here &#8211; &#8220;medium term&#8221; is just the political class&#8217;s way of saying we&#8217;re going to &#8220;kick the can down the road&#8221; and let someone else worry about real change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m befuddled by how so many supposedly smart people have acted like chronic drunk drivers.  First the car almost goes over the cliff.  It&#8217;s only because of luck, quick (though belated) and massive policy response did they keep the car from going over (granted we still missed the road).  As with any chronic drunk we&#8217;re in denial of how bad our problem is.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Brad Hicks</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/#comment-28801</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Brad Hicks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3-5 year &quot;medium term&quot; economic plans that are revised annually? I remember everybody laughing their backsides off at the Soviets when they put out each year&#039;s annually revised &quot;Five Year Plan.&quot; I guess it&#039;s less funny when our government is the one doing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3-5 year &#8220;medium term&#8221; economic plans that are revised annually? I remember everybody laughing their backsides off at the Soviets when they put out each year&#8217;s annually revised &#8220;Five Year Plan.&#8221; I guess it&#8217;s less funny when our government is the one doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: purple</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[purple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The G20, by its nature, is rarely going to agree on anything. Political power rests in nation states and their individual domestic situation. Expand the group to 20 and one is not going to find much agreement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The G20, by its nature, is rarely going to agree on anything. Political power rests in nation states and their individual domestic situation. Expand the group to 20 and one is not going to find much agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: 3-D</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/#comment-28797</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[3-D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It took everyone working together to make this mess, and they&#039;re all working beautifully together to prolong it. Don&#039;t fool yourself in to thinking either side is interested in &quot;cleaning up&quot; at all. They&#039;re all quite determined to simply get theirs; your interests and the interests of average Americans be damned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took everyone working together to make this mess, and they&#8217;re all working beautifully together to prolong it. Don&#8217;t fool yourself in to thinking either side is interested in &#8220;cleaning up&#8221; at all. They&#8217;re all quite determined to simply get theirs; your interests and the interests of average Americans be damned.</p>
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		<title>By: tjscottjr</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/#comment-28787</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tjscottjr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ted K.  Actually I prefer &quot;Reason&quot;, &quot;TNR&quot;, &quot;The New Individualist&quot; and &quot;National Journal&quot;.  And I can&#039;t wait to see how the &quot;cleaning up&quot; goes.  Trust me, 20 years from now we&#039;ll look fondly on these as the good &#039;ole days.  Also, I don&#039;t recall revising anything, just made an observation on the banality of the G-20.  So, a diversity of ideas is not welcome here??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted K.  Actually I prefer &#8220;Reason&#8221;, &#8220;TNR&#8221;, &#8220;The New Individualist&#8221; and &#8220;National Journal&#8221;.  And I can&#8217;t wait to see how the &#8220;cleaning up&#8221; goes.  Trust me, 20 years from now we&#8217;ll look fondly on these as the good &#8216;ole days.  Also, I don&#8217;t recall revising anything, just made an observation on the banality of the G-20.  So, a diversity of ideas is not welcome here??</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/#comment-28786</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Out of curiosity… can you give us an example of the “cleaning”?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of curiosity… can you give us an example of the “cleaning”?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tjscott, it&#039;s the &quot;lefties&quot; who are cleaning up the mess &quot;W&quot; Bush, Phil Gramm, and Henry Paulson left behind.  Save your revisionist history for the people who read National Review.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tjscott, it&#8217;s the &#8220;lefties&#8221; who are cleaning up the mess &#8220;W&#8221; Bush, Phil Gramm, and Henry Paulson left behind.  Save your revisionist history for the people who read National Review.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/09/22/g20-thinking-in-the-medium-run-we-are-all-retired/#comment-28783</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon Johnson “But unless and until the leaders take any steps to address our pressing financial sector vulnerabilities, the summit is not worth its carbon footprint.”

I am not at all sure, because under the do no harm principle we might be better if they do nothing.

The most urgent problem in our financial sector at this moment, a problem that is not even discussed, is that with all the credit risk downgrading going on, those operations that previously only required 1.6% in capital are now starting to require 8% in capital and with that they are crowding out all the previous ordinary more growth related loans that as they were perceived as more risky from the very beginning required the banks to hold 8% in equity. You can almost hear the sucking sound.

And so if we on top of this let lose those who want to cast themselves as puritan angel avengers, like Simon Johnson, screaming for blood and more capital cross the board, our small entrepreneurs would be squeezed out completely and only the biggest, who also have more access to the bailouts would survive. That is why the big always love regulators… like Simon Johnson. Tell me a regulator that truly works in favor of the small, short, medium or long term?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon Johnson “But unless and until the leaders take any steps to address our pressing financial sector vulnerabilities, the summit is not worth its carbon footprint.”</p>
<p>I am not at all sure, because under the do no harm principle we might be better if they do nothing.</p>
<p>The most urgent problem in our financial sector at this moment, a problem that is not even discussed, is that with all the credit risk downgrading going on, those operations that previously only required 1.6% in capital are now starting to require 8% in capital and with that they are crowding out all the previous ordinary more growth related loans that as they were perceived as more risky from the very beginning required the banks to hold 8% in equity. You can almost hear the sucking sound.</p>
<p>And so if we on top of this let lose those who want to cast themselves as puritan angel avengers, like Simon Johnson, screaming for blood and more capital cross the board, our small entrepreneurs would be squeezed out completely and only the biggest, who also have more access to the bailouts would survive. That is why the big always love regulators… like Simon Johnson. Tell me a regulator that truly works in favor of the small, short, medium or long term?</p>
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		<title>By: tjscottjr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tjscottjr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard a funny throw-away line the other day that seems appropriate here, especially since most governments in the world today are left of center.  It appears that &quot;the left hand doesn&#039;t know what the extreme left hand is doing.&quot;  But then, these are professional politicians who are experts at doing what politicians do....kick the can down the road. So they actually DO know what they&#039;re doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a funny throw-away line the other day that seems appropriate here, especially since most governments in the world today are left of center.  It appears that &#8220;the left hand doesn&#8217;t know what the extreme left hand is doing.&#8221;  But then, these are professional politicians who are experts at doing what politicians do&#8230;.kick the can down the road. So they actually DO know what they&#8217;re doing.</p>
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