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		<title>By: lace wigs</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/25/which-bernanke-whose-bubble/#comment-25368</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[okay, do you really want to get me going about ben bernanke?  he&#039;s the fall guy for the coming second wave of this recession/depression.  nothing he has done has stabilized the american economy, inflation is very soon to be here...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, do you really want to get me going about ben bernanke?  he&#8217;s the fall guy for the coming second wave of this recession/depression.  nothing he has done has stabilized the american economy, inflation is very soon to be here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan W</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/25/which-bernanke-whose-bubble/#comment-25350</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen that, but she did not really address how to fix the problem.

I hope she will in future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen that, but she did not really address how to fix the problem.</p>
<p>I hope she will in future.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Handover</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/25/which-bernanke-whose-bubble/#comment-25329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Handover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s my real name! :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s my real name! :-)</p>
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		<title>By: BR</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/25/which-bernanke-whose-bubble/#comment-25326</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Personally, I don’t think this crisis is over, not even close to over, just a lull in the storm.&#039;

I agree with Mr Handover. [if that is your real name, it&#039;s a good one]

The Crash didn&#039;t change the world by 1930 either. Give this three more years, and then see if nothing has changed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Personally, I don’t think this crisis is over, not even close to over, just a lull in the storm.&#8217;</p>
<p>I agree with Mr Handover. [if that is your real name, it's a good one]</p>
<p>The Crash didn&#8217;t change the world by 1930 either. Give this three more years, and then see if nothing has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Handover</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/25/which-bernanke-whose-bubble/#comment-25316</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Handover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Francois said, &quot;Most of the readers of this board are, I expect, now looking forward to the next crash, the biggest one of all.&quot;

If the next is bigger than this one then THAT will change everything.

Personally, I don&#039;t think this crisis is over, not even close to over, just a lull in the storm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francois said, &#8220;Most of the readers of this board are, I expect, now looking forward to the next crash, the biggest one of all.&#8221;</p>
<p>If the next is bigger than this one then THAT will change everything.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think this crisis is over, not even close to over, just a lull in the storm.</p>
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		<title>By: Francois</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/25/which-bernanke-whose-bubble/#comment-25313</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francois]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Simon, 

Your posts are consistently gloomy, and in my view rightly so.  The financial crisis, which seemed as it though was going to change everything, has in the end turned out to be one of those proverbial turning points at which history failed to turn. Most of the readers of this board are, I expect, now looking forward to the next crash, the biggest one of all.  

However, I wonder whether you could tell us if you see any &quot;green shoots,&quot; so to speak, in the political system?  We all have a sense of what the big guns are thinking and (not) doing.  Obama has turned out to be a shocking disappointment, seemingly in hock to the very forces he so eloquently denounced in his campaign.  Barney Frank&#039;s actions so far seem to be as timid as his tongue is sharp.  Geithner -- well, nothing need be said about the young lad who carries the water for his Wall-Street paymasters.  Bernanke -- you said it all above. 

So are there any heroes anywhere?  Elizabeth Warren?  She might be the head of the new Consumer Finance Protection, if it ever actually happens, but will she be able to do anything meaningful or will it all just be about tinkering at the edges? 

Is there anyone else we could look to or rally behind that you can think of?  Or are we essentially limited to posting cranky replies on your blog and stocking up on canned goods for our financial fallout shelters?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Simon, </p>
<p>Your posts are consistently gloomy, and in my view rightly so.  The financial crisis, which seemed as it though was going to change everything, has in the end turned out to be one of those proverbial turning points at which history failed to turn. Most of the readers of this board are, I expect, now looking forward to the next crash, the biggest one of all.  </p>
<p>However, I wonder whether you could tell us if you see any &#8220;green shoots,&#8221; so to speak, in the political system?  We all have a sense of what the big guns are thinking and (not) doing.  Obama has turned out to be a shocking disappointment, seemingly in hock to the very forces he so eloquently denounced in his campaign.  Barney Frank&#8217;s actions so far seem to be as timid as his tongue is sharp.  Geithner &#8212; well, nothing need be said about the young lad who carries the water for his Wall-Street paymasters.  Bernanke &#8212; you said it all above. </p>
<p>So are there any heroes anywhere?  Elizabeth Warren?  She might be the head of the new Consumer Finance Protection, if it ever actually happens, but will she be able to do anything meaningful or will it all just be about tinkering at the edges? </p>
<p>Is there anyone else we could look to or rally behind that you can think of?  Or are we essentially limited to posting cranky replies on your blog and stocking up on canned goods for our financial fallout shelters?</p>
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		<title>By: notabanker</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/25/which-bernanke-whose-bubble/#comment-25304</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[notabanker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John I sure like this idea.  I can see huge volumes of algae around the world but fortunately the shrimps will  come to the rescue and we in turn will be faced with a shrimp population explosion.  Now this could be serious but I would like to volunteer for the task force to be raised to eat all those shrimp.

No, no accolades please it will be a labor of love (love them shrimp)

Sure beats the h*** out of sequestrating CO2 underground!

My vote for John as our next president.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John I sure like this idea.  I can see huge volumes of algae around the world but fortunately the shrimps will  come to the rescue and we in turn will be faced with a shrimp population explosion.  Now this could be serious but I would like to volunteer for the task force to be raised to eat all those shrimp.</p>
<p>No, no accolades please it will be a labor of love (love them shrimp)</p>
<p>Sure beats the h*** out of sequestrating CO2 underground!</p>
<p>My vote for John as our next president.</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/25/which-bernanke-whose-bubble/#comment-25302</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t think of a single instance where ethics has - successfully - been taken care off by regulatory functions

unless there is a common idea/belief of how a decent person should behave and fear of what happens if he/she doesn&#039;t it doesn&#039;t work. On the village and probably club level it is the fear of being shunned that provides a powerful incentive. If you move to bigger entities you have to have something bigger. To date this something bigger has been religion. In the last century ideologies gave it a try with horrifying results - communism, nazism and - maybe - nationalism

right now it looks to me like religions are competing heavily inter alia about whether the secular democratic state is good or bad. - if I am right about this then you can&#039;t get at it with a few or even a lot of ethics rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t think of a single instance where ethics has &#8211; successfully &#8211; been taken care off by regulatory functions</p>
<p>unless there is a common idea/belief of how a decent person should behave and fear of what happens if he/she doesn&#8217;t it doesn&#8217;t work. On the village and probably club level it is the fear of being shunned that provides a powerful incentive. If you move to bigger entities you have to have something bigger. To date this something bigger has been religion. In the last century ideologies gave it a try with horrifying results &#8211; communism, nazism and &#8211; maybe &#8211; nationalism</p>
<p>right now it looks to me like religions are competing heavily inter alia about whether the secular democratic state is good or bad. &#8211; if I am right about this then you can&#8217;t get at it with a few or even a lot of ethics rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephano</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/25/which-bernanke-whose-bubble/#comment-25295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon, is there any chance the new regulatory function at the Fed will actually address ethics in a meaningful way?   Is there a commitment at the White House to do so?    Do they have a grasp of the issues.    The culture of greed is now so apparent at even the bank branch level where employees are convinced to make the most cash for themselves and to use the customer to do it.    I believe this is a projection from further up the management ladder and the ordinary employee likes the money but is sort of an unwilling participant in the conflicts and compromises that must be made to get to the top of the pay charts.   What brings it home is the death knell for anyone that does not play the game.    So there is a whole psychology and behavioral economics game going on and without grasping that most attempts at regulation will be futile.    

On a second note, I had a brainstorm of an idea and would like to bounce it off you guys if you could contact me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, is there any chance the new regulatory function at the Fed will actually address ethics in a meaningful way?   Is there a commitment at the White House to do so?    Do they have a grasp of the issues.    The culture of greed is now so apparent at even the bank branch level where employees are convinced to make the most cash for themselves and to use the customer to do it.    I believe this is a projection from further up the management ladder and the ordinary employee likes the money but is sort of an unwilling participant in the conflicts and compromises that must be made to get to the top of the pay charts.   What brings it home is the death knell for anyone that does not play the game.    So there is a whole psychology and behavioral economics game going on and without grasping that most attempts at regulation will be futile.    </p>
<p>On a second note, I had a brainstorm of an idea and would like to bounce it off you guys if you could contact me.</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Calm But Not-so Collected</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cool Calm But Not-so Collected]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon, as you know, Ben was intimately involved in the development and implementation planning of Basel II. In an Oct. 2004 speech (before I forget who, sorry, no link from my cell), Ben commented on the challenge that implementation posed, and how Citigroup was part and parcel to cross-border testing. Given the prominent role private banks such as Citi and (presumably) others played in shaping the &quot;rules&quot;, not to mention the laws that allowed them to develop as they have - which, by the way, taken together have only served to codify their tyrannical rule over soveriegn will - what makes you or anyone else believe theres any hope of change when it is clear as glass they are the framers of economic reality?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, as you know, Ben was intimately involved in the development and implementation planning of Basel II. In an Oct. 2004 speech (before I forget who, sorry, no link from my cell), Ben commented on the challenge that implementation posed, and how Citigroup was part and parcel to cross-border testing. Given the prominent role private banks such as Citi and (presumably) others played in shaping the &#8220;rules&#8221;, not to mention the laws that allowed them to develop as they have &#8211; which, by the way, taken together have only served to codify their tyrannical rule over soveriegn will &#8211; what makes you or anyone else believe theres any hope of change when it is clear as glass they are the framers of economic reality?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/25/which-bernanke-whose-bubble/#comment-25283</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen Roach (Morgan Stanley former economist now head of Asia for them) has an interesting article on this topic in the Ft, where he opposes Bernanke&#039;s reappointment:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a2ba2378-9186-11de-879d-00144feabdc0.html

His view is that the real Bernanke is the one described in 2 and 3 in Simon&#039;s post.  I agree.  We can and should improve this institution.  The time for the &quot;turnaround specialist&quot; is past.  Let&#039;s get a &quot;builder&quot; in there, who has a world view that can actually leverage the considerable human resources a the Fed banks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Roach (Morgan Stanley former economist now head of Asia for them) has an interesting article on this topic in the Ft, where he opposes Bernanke&#8217;s reappointment:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a2ba2378-9186-11de-879d-00144feabdc0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a2ba2378-9186-11de-879d-00144feabdc0.html</a></p>
<p>His view is that the real Bernanke is the one described in 2 and 3 in Simon&#8217;s post.  I agree.  We can and should improve this institution.  The time for the &#8220;turnaround specialist&#8221; is past.  Let&#8217;s get a &#8220;builder&#8221; in there, who has a world view that can actually leverage the considerable human resources a the Fed banks.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Billy the Un-Cunctator</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/25/which-bernanke-whose-bubble/#comment-25259</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle Billy the Un-Cunctator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone who claimed to be Bernanke&#039;s neighbour once claimed on a blog that Ben religiously picked up after his dog.  Two thoughts: Why do we have to pick up after Ben?  Does he really have a dog?  If so, could someone get a bug on its collar so we could listen in?  (By court order, of course).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone who claimed to be Bernanke&#8217;s neighbour once claimed on a blog that Ben religiously picked up after his dog.  Two thoughts: Why do we have to pick up after Ben?  Does he really have a dog?  If so, could someone get a bug on its collar so we could listen in?  (By court order, of course).</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[- nobody mentioned that China needs American food supply just as the Soviet Union did 
- if you want to know how it came about in the Soviet Union listen here - Stalin got taken in by a fraudster, famines etc. included
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_20080605.shtml

- you do not need a piece of land to grow potatoes, it can be done in a barrel and the yield is quite impressive, also rabbits thrive even on a balcony]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- nobody mentioned that China needs American food supply just as the Soviet Union did<br />
- if you want to know how it came about in the Soviet Union listen here &#8211; Stalin got taken in by a fraudster, famines etc. included<br />
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_20080605.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_20080605.shtml</a></p>
<p>- you do not need a piece of land to grow potatoes, it can be done in a barrel and the yield is quite impressive, also rabbits thrive even on a balcony</p>
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		<title>By: John F. McGowan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John F. McGowan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[China has not yet &quot;pulled the plug&quot; on subsidized exports to the US for two reasons.

1.  Inertia and resistance to change.  This is almost always the case.  It is like all the previous bubbles that have gone on longer than one would have thought.

2.  Chinese industry knows how to make goods and services for the US market.  The US buys household gadgets, Dell laptops, and so forth.  Many of these items would not sell well in rural Chine (my educated guess).  A poor (by US standards) rural population has more practical and pressing needs than the US population.  The rural Chinese population is more like the US rural population 100 years ago.

Consequently, China must retool to manufacture goods and services for the (huge) rural population.  Farming tools, possibly small generators, reliable small refrigerators to preserve meat, various things like this would probably be the winners.  It is not just a matter of shipping the items currently in WalMart or Target to the rural Chinese population.  Many of the probably won&#039;t sell.

China now has the factories and technical expertise to make items appropriate for the rural population that ideally should boost food production and raise the standard of living in rural China, but they do not necessarily know exactly what to make or how to market it to the Chinese population.  They need to study the early history of industrial nations like the US that were once in the same boat.  Very likely, they will figure it out.

Every day the clown show in the US gives them more and more reason to reevaluate their policy, if they have not done so already, and there is pressure from the rural population for change.

Sincerely,

John]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China has not yet &#8220;pulled the plug&#8221; on subsidized exports to the US for two reasons.</p>
<p>1.  Inertia and resistance to change.  This is almost always the case.  It is like all the previous bubbles that have gone on longer than one would have thought.</p>
<p>2.  Chinese industry knows how to make goods and services for the US market.  The US buys household gadgets, Dell laptops, and so forth.  Many of these items would not sell well in rural Chine (my educated guess).  A poor (by US standards) rural population has more practical and pressing needs than the US population.  The rural Chinese population is more like the US rural population 100 years ago.</p>
<p>Consequently, China must retool to manufacture goods and services for the (huge) rural population.  Farming tools, possibly small generators, reliable small refrigerators to preserve meat, various things like this would probably be the winners.  It is not just a matter of shipping the items currently in WalMart or Target to the rural Chinese population.  Many of the probably won&#8217;t sell.</p>
<p>China now has the factories and technical expertise to make items appropriate for the rural population that ideally should boost food production and raise the standard of living in rural China, but they do not necessarily know exactly what to make or how to market it to the Chinese population.  They need to study the early history of industrial nations like the US that were once in the same boat.  Very likely, they will figure it out.</p>
<p>Every day the clown show in the US gives them more and more reason to reevaluate their policy, if they have not done so already, and there is pressure from the rural population for change.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: Paul &amp; James

More than anything, I suppose I&#039;m asking: Is the Big Crash inevitable?  And if so, where are the greatest strains / most dangerous bubbles in the economy that could catalyze such a crash?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Paul &amp; James</p>
<p>More than anything, I suppose I&#8217;m asking: Is the Big Crash inevitable?  And if so, where are the greatest strains / most dangerous bubbles in the economy that could catalyze such a crash?</p>
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