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	<title>Comments on: Dean Baker&#8217;s Right To Rent</title>
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		<title>By: Henry Hazlitt</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/20/dean-bakers-right-to-rent/#comment-25074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Hazlitt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kena is 100% correct. Finally, imagine trying to evict these &#039;renters&#039; when they decide they&#039;ve had enough of renting and want to try out &quot;Plan C&quot;, i.e. free rent. In many states it is nearly impossible for a &#039;normal&#039; landlord to evict tenants. Can you imagine how the courts will hesitate to evict former owners??!! It will be a nightmare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kena is 100% correct. Finally, imagine trying to evict these &#8216;renters&#8217; when they decide they&#8217;ve had enough of renting and want to try out &#8220;Plan C&#8221;, i.e. free rent. In many states it is nearly impossible for a &#8216;normal&#8217; landlord to evict tenants. Can you imagine how the courts will hesitate to evict former owners??!! It will be a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr REO</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr REO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a preposterous politicking idea dreamed up by our our socialist bureaucrats seeking re-election. Nothing more, and won&#039;t work, even in a perfect world. It destroys the mechanics of a free society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a preposterous politicking idea dreamed up by our our socialist bureaucrats seeking re-election. Nothing more, and won&#8217;t work, even in a perfect world. It destroys the mechanics of a free society.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Earl Killian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t want exactly one period for the rental, and that would mean most of the foreclosures would come onto the market at the same time. Instead the rental period should be determined by a calculation that has the effect of spreading out the end of the lease period. For example, you could use the degrees of underwaterness or something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t want exactly one period for the rental, and that would mean most of the foreclosures would come onto the market at the same time. Instead the rental period should be determined by a calculation that has the effect of spreading out the end of the lease period. For example, you could use the degrees of underwaterness or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/20/dean-bakers-right-to-rent/#comment-24898</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a dialogue with Dean Baker about this back in 07 when he first floated the idea on some website where these points probably still reside. I have three objections:

1) it is easy to write &quot;the market rent&quot; and pronounce the problem solved. But empirically, the determination of &quot;market rent&quot; has been a bureaucratic nightmare. Rent control boards are disasters. What is &quot;the market&quot;?  In most of these neighborhoods there are no rentals going on and certainly not enough to call it a market. What is the market rent in out years, given that the rental market becomes affected by this program. Do you do it house by house and do differences in condition matter?  How do you do it, period? Does it involve legal processes? Lawyers? While they&#039;re battling about the &quot;market rent&quot;, what happens - how much gets paid? Do you leave eviction rules in effect for nonpayment - how many bites at the apple does someone get, given that this would be itself a debt relief method?  Does this become a federal program - do federal rules preempt state eviction rules or become subordinate to them?  Are you creating a set of federal landlord-tenant courts? How popular will that be? What are the costs of all this?  
2) Ten years?  You&#039;ve got to be kidding. That only proves point 1.  You&#039;re setting up a permanent nationwide rent control bureaucracy and an ancillary network of lawyers and so forth who make a living off of the program.  



Far more efficient to just mail out some checks and see if it helps tide people over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a dialogue with Dean Baker about this back in 07 when he first floated the idea on some website where these points probably still reside. I have three objections:</p>
<p>1) it is easy to write &#8220;the market rent&#8221; and pronounce the problem solved. But empirically, the determination of &#8220;market rent&#8221; has been a bureaucratic nightmare. Rent control boards are disasters. What is &#8220;the market&#8221;?  In most of these neighborhoods there are no rentals going on and certainly not enough to call it a market. What is the market rent in out years, given that the rental market becomes affected by this program. Do you do it house by house and do differences in condition matter?  How do you do it, period? Does it involve legal processes? Lawyers? While they&#8217;re battling about the &#8220;market rent&#8221;, what happens &#8211; how much gets paid? Do you leave eviction rules in effect for nonpayment &#8211; how many bites at the apple does someone get, given that this would be itself a debt relief method?  Does this become a federal program &#8211; do federal rules preempt state eviction rules or become subordinate to them?  Are you creating a set of federal landlord-tenant courts? How popular will that be? What are the costs of all this?<br />
2) Ten years?  You&#8217;ve got to be kidding. That only proves point 1.  You&#8217;re setting up a permanent nationwide rent control bureaucracy and an ancillary network of lawyers and so forth who make a living off of the program.  </p>
<p>Far more efficient to just mail out some checks and see if it helps tide people over.</p>
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		<title>By: Markel</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/20/dean-bakers-right-to-rent/#comment-24891</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right now banks are not able to keep remotely current on evicting foreclosed homeowners. In some areas former owners are enjoying 6 months to two years of rent-free living. Suddenly they&#039;ll be able to evict deadbeat tenants with clockwork precision? Despite the fact that regular eviction proceedings in many states take as long as, or longer than, foreclosures?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now banks are not able to keep remotely current on evicting foreclosed homeowners. In some areas former owners are enjoying 6 months to two years of rent-free living. Suddenly they&#8217;ll be able to evict deadbeat tenants with clockwork precision? Despite the fact that regular eviction proceedings in many states take as long as, or longer than, foreclosures?</p>
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		<title>By: Markel</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/20/dean-bakers-right-to-rent/#comment-24889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve got it, Jon. We are perpetually proposing &quot;compromises&quot; (co-ops?) that are as or more invasive than the correct solution, without the benefit of actually working.

I don&#039;t think most people even understand what a principal cramdown is, on a basic level. That&#039;s it&#039;s part of bankruptcy, not a free giveaway; that judges have had the power before, with no ill effects; and that it&#039;s permitted on virtually ANY OTHER LIEN, with a special exemption for residential mortgages that was granted to the banking industry because it pleaded before Congress that it was trying to &quot;help people buy homes.&quot; 

Cramdowns are no gift to homeowners. It&#039;s a bankruptcy proceeding, so their credit is shot one way or another, and their repayment is strictly supervised and not conducive to a festive lifestyle. What cramdowns really offer is a way to deleverage that&#039;s fair to all creditors, by letting the bank pretend that its loan is still secured by collateral that really isn&#039;t worth anything near what the note says. The bank elbows its way to the head of the line, on a lie.

You know what I really think is behind these rent-to-own proposals? Foreclosures are just now reaching the affluent neighborhoods occupied by the people who propose them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got it, Jon. We are perpetually proposing &#8220;compromises&#8221; (co-ops?) that are as or more invasive than the correct solution, without the benefit of actually working.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think most people even understand what a principal cramdown is, on a basic level. That&#8217;s it&#8217;s part of bankruptcy, not a free giveaway; that judges have had the power before, with no ill effects; and that it&#8217;s permitted on virtually ANY OTHER LIEN, with a special exemption for residential mortgages that was granted to the banking industry because it pleaded before Congress that it was trying to &#8220;help people buy homes.&#8221; </p>
<p>Cramdowns are no gift to homeowners. It&#8217;s a bankruptcy proceeding, so their credit is shot one way or another, and their repayment is strictly supervised and not conducive to a festive lifestyle. What cramdowns really offer is a way to deleverage that&#8217;s fair to all creditors, by letting the bank pretend that its loan is still secured by collateral that really isn&#8217;t worth anything near what the note says. The bank elbows its way to the head of the line, on a lie.</p>
<p>You know what I really think is behind these rent-to-own proposals? Foreclosures are just now reaching the affluent neighborhoods occupied by the people who propose them.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakkis</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/20/dean-bakers-right-to-rent/#comment-24888</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yakkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That would lead to an unacceptable state of affairs where banks lose money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would lead to an unacceptable state of affairs where banks lose money.</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/20/dean-bakers-right-to-rent/#comment-24887</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[do you mean to say the stronger parties didn&#039;t act stupidly? 
that all those financial wizards had the great picture allright all along?
If yes, then why is their superior wisdom not disseminated to those hit by it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do you mean to say the stronger parties didn&#8217;t act stupidly?<br />
that all those financial wizards had the great picture allright all along?<br />
If yes, then why is their superior wisdom not disseminated to those hit by it?</p>
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		<title>By: Markel</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/20/dean-bakers-right-to-rent/#comment-24886</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HOAs and condo associations are already going bankrupt because the banks refuse to pay fees on foreclosed properties, and increasingly, even to take title. They&#039;ll be pleased to learn this will continue for another 7-10 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOAs and condo associations are already going bankrupt because the banks refuse to pay fees on foreclosed properties, and increasingly, even to take title. They&#8217;ll be pleased to learn this will continue for another 7-10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakkis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yakkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, the government should never step in and protect one party from their own stupidity.  In fact, they should only gang up with the stronger party against the weaker.  That&#039;s why I&#039;m in favor of debtor&#039;s prisons as a solution to this.  With lengthy prison terms, you can bet that the forclosure rate will plummet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the government should never step in and protect one party from their own stupidity.  In fact, they should only gang up with the stronger party against the weaker.  That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m in favor of debtor&#8217;s prisons as a solution to this.  With lengthy prison terms, you can bet that the forclosure rate will plummet.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakkis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yakkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not only have I heard of it, but I oppose it for all but the largest corporations.  I&#039;ve also heard of debtors prisons, which should be reinstituted as soon as possible for everyone else.  Prisons can  bring back the jobs we so desperately need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only have I heard of it, but I oppose it for all but the largest corporations.  I&#8217;ve also heard of debtors prisons, which should be reinstituted as soon as possible for everyone else.  Prisons can  bring back the jobs we so desperately need.</p>
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		<title>By: Markel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Contracts are renegotiated every day, for every reason. They are also changed by government, every day. Ever hear of bankruptcy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contracts are renegotiated every day, for every reason. They are also changed by government, every day. Ever hear of bankruptcy?</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Antoinette</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/20/dean-bakers-right-to-rent/#comment-24881</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marie Antoinette]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meli,
Your numbers strike me as pretty good (though the taxes seem high--unless you live in Cook County and are paying high rates on peak valuations).  On the other hand, banks are getting money basically for free these days at the Fed window, so they aren&#039;t going to pay any carry costs and get to pocket the steady cash stream plus any appreciation from the sale of the asset in a few years&#039; time.  ALso the bank/landlords will have an advantage in negotiating downward pressure on property taxes which the old homeowner/creditor did not.

These arguments about deadbeat renters are really hollow, by the way.  Give it up.  You don&#039;t pay rent you get evicted.  There&#039;s no magic here.  If people can&#039;t pay the rent they won&#039;t be long in the house.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meli,<br />
Your numbers strike me as pretty good (though the taxes seem high&#8211;unless you live in Cook County and are paying high rates on peak valuations).  On the other hand, banks are getting money basically for free these days at the Fed window, so they aren&#8217;t going to pay any carry costs and get to pocket the steady cash stream plus any appreciation from the sale of the asset in a few years&#8217; time.  ALso the bank/landlords will have an advantage in negotiating downward pressure on property taxes which the old homeowner/creditor did not.</p>
<p>These arguments about deadbeat renters are really hollow, by the way.  Give it up.  You don&#8217;t pay rent you get evicted.  There&#8217;s no magic here.  If people can&#8217;t pay the rent they won&#8217;t be long in the house.</p>
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		<title>By: meli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In our area, median home prices (with a 30% discount to 2007) are about 400,000 which would suggest a mortgage payment of abo8ut 2600 (30 year fixed) and taxes of about 14,400 or 1200 a month for a total of 3800 a month carrying costs.

Market rents, however, are about 2000 - 2400, which is why people rarely rent their houses.

So what rent do you charge the person living in the house and if you charge them market, are you forcing the lender (new owner) to rent below carrying costs for such a long period of time?

Now, I understand that the lender (new owner) doesn&#039;t have the mortgage carrying costs, but the buyer (if the buyer were forced to keep the arrangement with the renter) would.  

This would seem to lock the lender (new owner) into subsidizing the property for whatever period you design.  Then it&#039;s a cash flow problem. The rent would barely cover taxes, and little left for maintenance.  It might be a slower drain on neighborhoods, but a drain none-the-less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our area, median home prices (with a 30% discount to 2007) are about 400,000 which would suggest a mortgage payment of abo8ut 2600 (30 year fixed) and taxes of about 14,400 or 1200 a month for a total of 3800 a month carrying costs.</p>
<p>Market rents, however, are about 2000 &#8211; 2400, which is why people rarely rent their houses.</p>
<p>So what rent do you charge the person living in the house and if you charge them market, are you forcing the lender (new owner) to rent below carrying costs for such a long period of time?</p>
<p>Now, I understand that the lender (new owner) doesn&#8217;t have the mortgage carrying costs, but the buyer (if the buyer were forced to keep the arrangement with the renter) would.  </p>
<p>This would seem to lock the lender (new owner) into subsidizing the property for whatever period you design.  Then it&#8217;s a cash flow problem. The rent would barely cover taxes, and little left for maintenance.  It might be a slower drain on neighborhoods, but a drain none-the-less.</p>
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		<title>By: jake chase</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jake chase]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all, I thought the taxpayer ponied up 750 billion last October to solve this problem? Guess not. Second, if the economy is ever going to recover we must stop interfering with market readjustments. Real estate is still too high in most markets because sellers are unconvinced the party is over. Foreclosure is a healthy process. We need to accelerate it. Bailing out the banks was bad enough. It has been a collossal mistake. Don&#039;t compound it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I thought the taxpayer ponied up 750 billion last October to solve this problem? Guess not. Second, if the economy is ever going to recover we must stop interfering with market readjustments. Real estate is still too high in most markets because sellers are unconvinced the party is over. Foreclosure is a healthy process. We need to accelerate it. Bailing out the banks was bad enough. It has been a collossal mistake. Don&#8217;t compound it.</p>
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