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	<title>Comments on: Waiting For The Federal Reserve&#8217;s Next Apology</title>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/14/waiting-for-the-federal-reserves-next-apology/#comment-24922</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[in everyday life the experience is quite commong that if avoid all the mistakes of the past you might end up in exactly the same mess 
Has anybody looked at it that way? that parts of what turned out wrong might be right for today?
I have no way to know how much this constant talk about avoiding the mistakes of the past describes Bernanke&#039;s actions correctly but it would be nice to know, if he has enough clout and independance of mind to initiate something which would be decried by everybody as having been tested and failed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in everyday life the experience is quite commong that if avoid all the mistakes of the past you might end up in exactly the same mess<br />
Has anybody looked at it that way? that parts of what turned out wrong might be right for today?<br />
I have no way to know how much this constant talk about avoiding the mistakes of the past describes Bernanke&#8217;s actions correctly but it would be nice to know, if he has enough clout and independance of mind to initiate something which would be decried by everybody as having been tested and failed</p>
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		<title>By: davos</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/14/waiting-for-the-federal-reserves-next-apology/#comment-24912</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But what did Bernanke do to save us from GDII and what did Geithner do to save us from GDII?&quot;

They did everything in there power to stop the financial sector from collapsing. They stopped Bear from failing, they prevented the bankruptcy of Merril and did not let AIG go under, these and several other moves is why we still have an economy. 

&quot;Krugman says that Bernanke is the right guy for the job because of his resume… because he devoted so might energy to studying the GD and Japanese stagnation. If resumes were the key, GHW Bush would have been a great President.&quot;

Ben Bernanke used some lessons from the great depression to avert GDII. For example, the fed was not active in preventing a depression after the crash of &#039;29 but bernanke was not going to be the guy who stood back and watched it happen, he was going to do whatever it took to save the system even if it meant forcing JP Morgan to buy Bear or going to beg congress for TARP.
Another example of how studying the depression helped Bernanke avert another GD can be found in his thesis as a Ph.D student where he studied the impact of deflation in on the depression. This helped shape up his decision to risk future inflation by injecting liquidity into the system, so as to stave of deflation. 
In &#039;37 the fed decided to tighten monetary supply which ended up being one of the worst economic decisions ever made, Bernanke has obviously learnt from this by not being froward and overly optimistic yet and jumping on the bandwagon that the economy is on a rebound, he is still more cautious than ever.

Let&#039;s not forget that some of the best ideas during the crisis came from Bernanke who was able to use some of his knowledge to make good decisions, even if they were swimming in uncharted waters. 

&quot;This may not be a corollary… but do you feel that Bernanke sees Fed as an independent entity or a pawn to serve Obama/Geithner?&quot;

Bernanke has always stated that the fed should always remain as an independent entity and should only be involved in monetary policy and not fiscal policy, infact, he said this on the day of his confirmation and he still holds on to it. He has objected to this treasury&#039;s massive spending because he is trying to prevent inflation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But what did Bernanke do to save us from GDII and what did Geithner do to save us from GDII?&#8221;</p>
<p>They did everything in there power to stop the financial sector from collapsing. They stopped Bear from failing, they prevented the bankruptcy of Merril and did not let AIG go under, these and several other moves is why we still have an economy. </p>
<p>&#8220;Krugman says that Bernanke is the right guy for the job because of his resume… because he devoted so might energy to studying the GD and Japanese stagnation. If resumes were the key, GHW Bush would have been a great President.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ben Bernanke used some lessons from the great depression to avert GDII. For example, the fed was not active in preventing a depression after the crash of &#8217;29 but bernanke was not going to be the guy who stood back and watched it happen, he was going to do whatever it took to save the system even if it meant forcing JP Morgan to buy Bear or going to beg congress for TARP.<br />
Another example of how studying the depression helped Bernanke avert another GD can be found in his thesis as a Ph.D student where he studied the impact of deflation in on the depression. This helped shape up his decision to risk future inflation by injecting liquidity into the system, so as to stave of deflation.<br />
In &#8217;37 the fed decided to tighten monetary supply which ended up being one of the worst economic decisions ever made, Bernanke has obviously learnt from this by not being froward and overly optimistic yet and jumping on the bandwagon that the economy is on a rebound, he is still more cautious than ever.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that some of the best ideas during the crisis came from Bernanke who was able to use some of his knowledge to make good decisions, even if they were swimming in uncharted waters. </p>
<p>&#8220;This may not be a corollary… but do you feel that Bernanke sees Fed as an independent entity or a pawn to serve Obama/Geithner?&#8221;</p>
<p>Bernanke has always stated that the fed should always remain as an independent entity and should only be involved in monetary policy and not fiscal policy, infact, he said this on the day of his confirmation and he still holds on to it. He has objected to this treasury&#8217;s massive spending because he is trying to prevent inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/14/waiting-for-the-federal-reserves-next-apology/#comment-24666</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(the thread clearly aging now)... But what did Bernanke do to save us from GDII and what did Geithner do to save us from GDII?  The blunders from last fall aside, everyone on the team was facing something never previously witnessed.  Krugman says that Bernanke is the right guy for the job because of his resume... because he devoted so might energy to studying the GD and Japanese stagnation.  If resumes were the key, GHW Bush would have been a great President.
This may not be a corollary... but do you feel that Bernanke sees Fed as an independent entity or a pawn to serve Obama/Geithner?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(the thread clearly aging now)&#8230; But what did Bernanke do to save us from GDII and what did Geithner do to save us from GDII?  The blunders from last fall aside, everyone on the team was facing something never previously witnessed.  Krugman says that Bernanke is the right guy for the job because of his resume&#8230; because he devoted so might energy to studying the GD and Japanese stagnation.  If resumes were the key, GHW Bush would have been a great President.<br />
This may not be a corollary&#8230; but do you feel that Bernanke sees Fed as an independent entity or a pawn to serve Obama/Geithner?</p>
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		<title>By: davos</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank goodness that we have Bernanke as the Fed chairman, the man single handedly saved the financial system when Paulson aka mr. moral hazard almost destroyed when he let Lehman fail. Bernanke and Geithner saved us from the Great Depression II. 

Having said that, the appointment of Paulson was probably the best appointment that Bush ever made. Even though the guy made a huge blunder in letting Lehman fail, he tried his best to save the system. One can only shudder to think of what might have happened if outsiders like Paul O&#039; Neill or the incredibly ineffectual John Snow had been in charge during the crisis we probably would have ended up a banana republic by now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank goodness that we have Bernanke as the Fed chairman, the man single handedly saved the financial system when Paulson aka mr. moral hazard almost destroyed when he let Lehman fail. Bernanke and Geithner saved us from the Great Depression II. </p>
<p>Having said that, the appointment of Paulson was probably the best appointment that Bush ever made. Even though the guy made a huge blunder in letting Lehman fail, he tried his best to save the system. One can only shudder to think of what might have happened if outsiders like Paul O&#8217; Neill or the incredibly ineffectual John Snow had been in charge during the crisis we probably would have ended up a banana republic by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;to restrict the responsibility and power&quot;  of the Fed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;to restrict the responsibility and power&#8221;  of the Fed</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/14/waiting-for-the-federal-reserves-next-apology/#comment-24468</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that it is generally a good idea to restrict the responsibility and power to simply control inflation.  But I am surprised you do not see that the exceptionally accommodative monetary policy (much lower than a simple Taylor rule would have called for) was one of the major causes (if not THE major cause) of the housing bubble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it is generally a good idea to restrict the responsibility and power to simply control inflation.  But I am surprised you do not see that the exceptionally accommodative monetary policy (much lower than a simple Taylor rule would have called for) was one of the major causes (if not THE major cause) of the housing bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/14/waiting-for-the-federal-reserves-next-apology/#comment-24351</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the whatever degree Bernanke deserves rebuke, doesn&#039;t Geithner deserve similar scrutiny?  Late 2003 he assumed the Vice Chair of the Federal Open Market Committee...  and later obviously had a key role during the AIG, Lehman, and Bear Stearns decisions.

While appreciating the apologists (above) that have helpfully put the original 2003 quote into a proper context, it naturally appears to the common man that the same folks running the machine when it broke are now the experts bravely accepting the call to save us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the whatever degree Bernanke deserves rebuke, doesn&#8217;t Geithner deserve similar scrutiny?  Late 2003 he assumed the Vice Chair of the Federal Open Market Committee&#8230;  and later obviously had a key role during the AIG, Lehman, and Bear Stearns decisions.</p>
<p>While appreciating the apologists (above) that have helpfully put the original 2003 quote into a proper context, it naturally appears to the common man that the same folks running the machine when it broke are now the experts bravely accepting the call to save us.</p>
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		<title>By: silly things</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[silly things]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UnRulley,

To your point #3, the key issue is rather the criticism is fair.  Simon Johnson has grossly misrepresent the context by cherry picking the data.  

Obviously our goal is to prevent a repeat of this crisis.  However, Simon&#039;s disingenuousness will not lead to better decision making next time around.  Those that simplistically accepts Simon&#039;s disingenousness on face value will only add to the disinformation.

By theway, to your point #2, I predict our top experts will completely miss all future crisis until it is too later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UnRulley,</p>
<p>To your point #3, the key issue is rather the criticism is fair.  Simon Johnson has grossly misrepresent the context by cherry picking the data.  </p>
<p>Obviously our goal is to prevent a repeat of this crisis.  However, Simon&#8217;s disingenuousness will not lead to better decision making next time around.  Those that simplistically accepts Simon&#8217;s disingenousness on face value will only add to the disinformation.</p>
<p>By theway, to your point #2, I predict our top experts will completely miss all future crisis until it is too later.</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/14/waiting-for-the-federal-reserves-next-apology/#comment-24126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I very much wish that all of those people who argue for the “bitter brew” of mass financial armageddon could experience it, without dragging the rest of us down into their self-imposed h3ll.&quot;

thank you - 
the binds, the Catch 22s, the quirks of human nature&#039;s limited choice of actions still need a lot of telling (and analyzing?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I very much wish that all of those people who argue for the “bitter brew” of mass financial armageddon could experience it, without dragging the rest of us down into their self-imposed h3ll.&#8221;</p>
<p>thank you &#8211;<br />
the binds, the Catch 22s, the quirks of human nature&#8217;s limited choice of actions still need a lot of telling (and analyzing?)</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/14/waiting-for-the-federal-reserves-next-apology/#comment-24124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the increase in the price of houses is not inflation&quot;

was it Churchill who is quoted with

I never believe in a statistic I haven&#039;t fiddled with myself

(if it wasn&#039;t him it would be befitting for a guy who asked to guess on how history would regard him with &quot;I intend to write it&quot;)

would it be good or bad if we&#039;d get another adventurer AND gentleman in high office insted of all those super-virtuousness proclaiming saints?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the increase in the price of houses is not inflation&#8221;</p>
<p>was it Churchill who is quoted with</p>
<p>I never believe in a statistic I haven&#8217;t fiddled with myself</p>
<p>(if it wasn&#8217;t him it would be befitting for a guy who asked to guess on how history would regard him with &#8220;I intend to write it&#8221;)</p>
<p>would it be good or bad if we&#8217;d get another adventurer AND gentleman in high office insted of all those super-virtuousness proclaiming saints?</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/14/waiting-for-the-federal-reserves-next-apology/#comment-24122</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[of course the ice cream example is much better suited to be drilled into the brain of a soon to become McKinsey consultant and or financial wizard guy 
- the imagery it invokes in the brain does claim very little storage capacities and can be lot easier used as a standard for a lot of other useful explanations for the concepts the world is functioning on]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course the ice cream example is much better suited to be drilled into the brain of a soon to become McKinsey consultant and or financial wizard guy<br />
- the imagery it invokes in the brain does claim very little storage capacities and can be lot easier used as a standard for a lot of other useful explanations for the concepts the world is functioning on</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[in my example people sport the more interesting fashion 

on film powdered wigs next to artistically designed rags add just the right kind of flavour - there you can squeal with asthetic delight while shivers of horror run down your spine at the same time]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in my example people sport the more interesting fashion </p>
<p>on film powdered wigs next to artistically designed rags add just the right kind of flavour &#8211; there you can squeal with asthetic delight while shivers of horror run down your spine at the same time</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/14/waiting-for-the-federal-reserves-next-apology/#comment-24112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now, the rich pay taxes at a lower rate.

that&#039;s because of them having to do all that trickling down]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, the rich pay taxes at a lower rate.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s because of them having to do all that trickling down</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StatsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 05:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You need to separate structural/policy issues (lousy infrastructure, insufficient R&amp;D investment, bad tax policy, high deficits, poor regulation, obscenely dumb prison policy, multiple military quagmires, failure to reduce social transfer program expenses, lack of energy policy, lack of cohesive trade policy) from monetary policy issues.

All the monetary component of policy can do is keep steady-state inflation and/or nominal GDP growth.  Since we did not experience massive inflation (or even long term inflationary expectations) through the 2005 bubble, it&#039;s arguable this wasn&#039;t a _monetary_ problem.  But rather a structural problem, and the failure of the Fed wasn&#039;t its monetary policy, but it&#039;s refusal to regulate banks (and strong opposition before Congress of bank regulation).

Raising interest rates (which suppresses investment across the entire economy) is a phenomenally bad way to target a bubble in a single sector (especially when that bubble is directly caused by bad regulation).

On the monetary side, the Fed&#039;s failure was actually an excessively TIGHT monetary policy for most of the last year, leading to actual price deflation, and long term projections of sub-optimal inflation.  And, quite possibly, triggering the financial panic.

Perhaps the best reason to separate bank-regulation and monetary policy is so that ideological Fed-Haters are forced to be more disciplined in their arguments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to separate structural/policy issues (lousy infrastructure, insufficient R&amp;D investment, bad tax policy, high deficits, poor regulation, obscenely dumb prison policy, multiple military quagmires, failure to reduce social transfer program expenses, lack of energy policy, lack of cohesive trade policy) from monetary policy issues.</p>
<p>All the monetary component of policy can do is keep steady-state inflation and/or nominal GDP growth.  Since we did not experience massive inflation (or even long term inflationary expectations) through the 2005 bubble, it&#8217;s arguable this wasn&#8217;t a _monetary_ problem.  But rather a structural problem, and the failure of the Fed wasn&#8217;t its monetary policy, but it&#8217;s refusal to regulate banks (and strong opposition before Congress of bank regulation).</p>
<p>Raising interest rates (which suppresses investment across the entire economy) is a phenomenally bad way to target a bubble in a single sector (especially when that bubble is directly caused by bad regulation).</p>
<p>On the monetary side, the Fed&#8217;s failure was actually an excessively TIGHT monetary policy for most of the last year, leading to actual price deflation, and long term projections of sub-optimal inflation.  And, quite possibly, triggering the financial panic.</p>
<p>Perhaps the best reason to separate bank-regulation and monetary policy is so that ideological Fed-Haters are forced to be more disciplined in their arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StatsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 05:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is patently unfair to Bernanke, and frankly a complete misunderstanding of monetary economics.  I do not support him for a second term, primarily because he failed to recognize that monetary policy in spring/summer 08 was tight(even though it seemed loose to many observers), and he failed to act swiftly in stopping disaster (though it&#039;s hard to say how much was him vs the rest of the Fed).  But in spite of his mistakes, he wasn&#039;t the monster you paint him as.

I very much wish that all of those people who argue for the &quot;bitter brew&quot; of mass financial armageddon could experience it, without dragging the rest of us down into their self-imposed h3ll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is patently unfair to Bernanke, and frankly a complete misunderstanding of monetary economics.  I do not support him for a second term, primarily because he failed to recognize that monetary policy in spring/summer 08 was tight(even though it seemed loose to many observers), and he failed to act swiftly in stopping disaster (though it&#8217;s hard to say how much was him vs the rest of the Fed).  But in spite of his mistakes, he wasn&#8217;t the monster you paint him as.</p>
<p>I very much wish that all of those people who argue for the &#8220;bitter brew&#8221; of mass financial armageddon could experience it, without dragging the rest of us down into their self-imposed h3ll.</p>
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