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		<title>By: KFritz</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/03/why-dont-the-community-banks-get-it/#comment-22545</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All beliefs need to be way stations preliminary to facts and knowledge. The best government is that which does exactly that which it does best and nothing more. (Hello, Pangloss!) But anyone who imagines that government fulfilled its function during the creation of the present financial mess must be experiencing a parallel universe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All beliefs need to be way stations preliminary to facts and knowledge. The best government is that which does exactly that which it does best and nothing more. (Hello, Pangloss!) But anyone who imagines that government fulfilled its function during the creation of the present financial mess must be experiencing a parallel universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Twotenths</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/03/why-dont-the-community-banks-get-it/#comment-22513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Twotenths]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good regulators are rewarded for their expertise by being hired by banks at much higher pay.  Incentive-based compensation is almost completely politically infeasible in the public sector, as we’ve all probably noticed by now.  There’s no reason to expect that to change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good regulators are rewarded for their expertise by being hired by banks at much higher pay.  Incentive-based compensation is almost completely politically infeasible in the public sector, as we’ve all probably noticed by now.  There’s no reason to expect that to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hoogesteger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Hoogesteger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon-The problem your post addresses is really several different issues wrapped together. The first part of the problem is that we don&#039;t have a proper civil service in the United States. One of the &quot;reforms&quot; of the the Reagan era was to triple the number of political appointees in government. The number of direct presidential appointees went from about 1000 to about 3000. These people often had hiring authority themselves so the effect on the federal bureacracy was enormous. This meant that, for example, the head of the Detroit office of the Department of Housing and Urban Development was a political appointee instead of a civil servant. He in turn would hire most of the professional staff including attorneys.

This made it possible for politicians to interfere in regulatory agencies enforcemnt actions in ways that had not been done since the 1930&#039;s. In Texas both Vice President Bush and Speaker Jim Wright would request the transfer of Bank examiners who asked too many questions about questionable practices at savings and loans. Needless to say this contributed to the size of the S&amp;L crisis. 

&quot;Regulatory Capture&quot; is not something inevitable, it is the result of how the American political system works. A weak civil service cannot enforce laws impartially because of political pressure. Community bankers can legitimately fear that only politically weaker small banks would really be regulated by a CFPA.

The second part of the problem relates to how politicians run for office. They beg for money, often from the very same big money center banks who have caused this crisis. Even politicians in midwestern states like Minnesota take money from the big money center banks. This causes community bankers to believe that any regulations put in place would probably be designed to protect the big money center banks from competition. I remind that President Roosevelts first attempt at regulation, the NRA was designed to protect large firms by reducing competition.

Additionally small banks often have to deal with big banks. Sometimes not alienating people they do business with is also a factor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon-The problem your post addresses is really several different issues wrapped together. The first part of the problem is that we don&#8217;t have a proper civil service in the United States. One of the &#8220;reforms&#8221; of the the Reagan era was to triple the number of political appointees in government. The number of direct presidential appointees went from about 1000 to about 3000. These people often had hiring authority themselves so the effect on the federal bureacracy was enormous. This meant that, for example, the head of the Detroit office of the Department of Housing and Urban Development was a political appointee instead of a civil servant. He in turn would hire most of the professional staff including attorneys.</p>
<p>This made it possible for politicians to interfere in regulatory agencies enforcemnt actions in ways that had not been done since the 1930&#8242;s. In Texas both Vice President Bush and Speaker Jim Wright would request the transfer of Bank examiners who asked too many questions about questionable practices at savings and loans. Needless to say this contributed to the size of the S&amp;L crisis. </p>
<p>&#8220;Regulatory Capture&#8221; is not something inevitable, it is the result of how the American political system works. A weak civil service cannot enforce laws impartially because of political pressure. Community bankers can legitimately fear that only politically weaker small banks would really be regulated by a CFPA.</p>
<p>The second part of the problem relates to how politicians run for office. They beg for money, often from the very same big money center banks who have caused this crisis. Even politicians in midwestern states like Minnesota take money from the big money center banks. This causes community bankers to believe that any regulations put in place would probably be designed to protect the big money center banks from competition. I remind that President Roosevelts first attempt at regulation, the NRA was designed to protect large firms by reducing competition.</p>
<p>Additionally small banks often have to deal with big banks. Sometimes not alienating people they do business with is also a factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/03/why-dont-the-community-banks-get-it/#comment-22431</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And  it is the fact that many of you find yourselves entrenched in either &quot;Government is part of the problem, not part of the solution&quot; or &quot;Government is never part of the problem, always part of the solution&quot; that is the real source of your problems, since reality is never that black or white.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And  it is the fact that many of you find yourselves entrenched in either &#8220;Government is part of the problem, not part of the solution&#8221; or &#8220;Government is never part of the problem, always part of the solution&#8221; that is the real source of your problems, since reality is never that black or white.</p>
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		<title>By: KFritz</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/03/why-dont-the-community-banks-get-it/#comment-22401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KFritz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon: 

This is a matter of Religion. A key tenet of the religion of American management is government non-interference because &quot;Government is part of the problem, not part of the solution.&quot; Another key tenet is managerial solidarity--these (mostly) guys would rather do nothing and watch the economy collapse than support intelligent financial reform. These folks all worship @ the First Church of American Capital!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon: </p>
<p>This is a matter of Religion. A key tenet of the religion of American management is government non-interference because &#8220;Government is part of the problem, not part of the solution.&#8221; Another key tenet is managerial solidarity&#8211;these (mostly) guys would rather do nothing and watch the economy collapse than support intelligent financial reform. These folks all worship @ the First Church of American Capital!</p>
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		<title>By: Bayard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bayard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to mention at least two disincentives which may be somewhat operable here.  First community banks frequently have linkage to the superbanks.  They have non-conflicting programs in many cases and benefit from business referrals from the superbanks who don&#039;t have programs which match customer needs.  There is some of this significant symbiosis.  Second, may community banks are founded with the hopes of being bought by the superbanks and thus get windfalls for boards and stockholders.  There is much to the tiering of the banks that is not readily apparent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to mention at least two disincentives which may be somewhat operable here.  First community banks frequently have linkage to the superbanks.  They have non-conflicting programs in many cases and benefit from business referrals from the superbanks who don&#8217;t have programs which match customer needs.  There is some of this significant symbiosis.  Second, may community banks are founded with the hopes of being bought by the superbanks and thus get windfalls for boards and stockholders.  There is much to the tiering of the banks that is not readily apparent.</p>
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		<title>By: Taunter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know what community banks you have in mind, but there are plenty of tiny banks that behave far more egregiously than anything the money centers would consider.

Banks with $50-75mm in assets spending a couple million on executive payroll.  Banks with $200mm in assets going heavily into the CDO world.

You just don&#039;t hear about them because they are tiny, so either they float along under the radar or one Friday night they are gone (ever wonder about some of the absurd recovery ratios put up by the FDIC).  They know they have a great Jimmy Stewart reputation, they know that under the status quo no one is wandering the Plains looking too closely in their books, and they have absolutely no desire to let the government stick its nose under their tent.

The big boys have learned to live with the government over the past nine months.  They have seen the public outrage, they have dealt with the inspectors, they know that when push comes to shove, the feds blink.  Whatever plan gets passed will work for the big guys, or it will be made work.  They know that now.  

The little guys who watch two or three of their number vanish each week can have no such comfort.  They won&#039;t get the Goldman waiver.  And they know just how fragile their operations are; for example, true mark-to-market would put them under by the hundreds.  Better to make a fuss now, when the government is focused on other things, than let the bill linger until a new crisis gives it urgency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what community banks you have in mind, but there are plenty of tiny banks that behave far more egregiously than anything the money centers would consider.</p>
<p>Banks with $50-75mm in assets spending a couple million on executive payroll.  Banks with $200mm in assets going heavily into the CDO world.</p>
<p>You just don&#8217;t hear about them because they are tiny, so either they float along under the radar or one Friday night they are gone (ever wonder about some of the absurd recovery ratios put up by the FDIC).  They know they have a great Jimmy Stewart reputation, they know that under the status quo no one is wandering the Plains looking too closely in their books, and they have absolutely no desire to let the government stick its nose under their tent.</p>
<p>The big boys have learned to live with the government over the past nine months.  They have seen the public outrage, they have dealt with the inspectors, they know that when push comes to shove, the feds blink.  Whatever plan gets passed will work for the big guys, or it will be made work.  They know that now.  </p>
<p>The little guys who watch two or three of their number vanish each week can have no such comfort.  They won&#8217;t get the Goldman waiver.  And they know just how fragile their operations are; for example, true mark-to-market would put them under by the hundreds.  Better to make a fuss now, when the government is focused on other things, than let the bill linger until a new crisis gives it urgency.</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StatsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, and yes.

And to add a little history, we have adequate cases where Big Banks did stupid things even when there was no implicit government bailout in the offing.  Witness the Panic of 1907, which was triggered when big NY banks underwrote a speculative attempt to corner the copper market, which failed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and yes.</p>
<p>And to add a little history, we have adequate cases where Big Banks did stupid things even when there was no implicit government bailout in the offing.  Witness the Panic of 1907, which was triggered when big NY banks underwrote a speculative attempt to corner the copper market, which failed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tippy Golden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tippy Golden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Bond Girl,

I guess the Sheriff only gets to swear in and pin the Silver Star on volunteers wearing white hats at the cowboy movies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bond Girl,</p>
<p>I guess the Sheriff only gets to swear in and pin the Silver Star on volunteers wearing white hats at the cowboy movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Bond Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bond Girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only meant that such a company would have to have knowledge of banks&#039; operations that is not public information.  Our government (I guess) has such a relationship with the defense companies, which by virtue of their work are exposed to secret information.  But it limits the number of players that can be involved.

One of the big problems with bank regulation is that regulators are always ten steps behind.  Part of that is capital requirements that invite regulatory arbitrage, which became obvious when things blew up.  This ultimately determines the consumer products that are available.  But even beyond that, there is not a whole lot of interest in understanding risk.  So are they really regulating financial institutions or just hanging around for when someone needs to step in and clean up the mess?

Re: Taxes, etc.

I think if we can change capital requirements and enforcement, these changes will channelize the industry (and compensation) considerably (make it less of a big game of hot potato). I do not think giving consumers the Cliffs Notes version of their mortgage is going to change the industry much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only meant that such a company would have to have knowledge of banks&#8217; operations that is not public information.  Our government (I guess) has such a relationship with the defense companies, which by virtue of their work are exposed to secret information.  But it limits the number of players that can be involved.</p>
<p>One of the big problems with bank regulation is that regulators are always ten steps behind.  Part of that is capital requirements that invite regulatory arbitrage, which became obvious when things blew up.  This ultimately determines the consumer products that are available.  But even beyond that, there is not a whole lot of interest in understanding risk.  So are they really regulating financial institutions or just hanging around for when someone needs to step in and clean up the mess?</p>
<p>Re: Taxes, etc.</p>
<p>I think if we can change capital requirements and enforcement, these changes will channelize the industry (and compensation) considerably (make it less of a big game of hot potato). I do not think giving consumers the Cliffs Notes version of their mortgage is going to change the industry much.</p>
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		<title>By: Tippyy Golden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tippyy Golden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bond Girl you write: &quot;like defense, the confidentiality element would be a limiting factor in competition.

I don&#039;t understand what you mean here. Please explain.

Also, yes, apples and oranges are getting mixed up here. The apples being the need for better monitoring of risk, creating better regulation or bringing back older regulations that worked better, for example, the Glass-Seagall Act, or (horrors socialism) a 90% tax bracket for very high income earners perhaps.

Now for the oranges. Free-market proponents are all for privatization and outsourcing to eliminate or reduce government (taxpayer) funding. There is already tort for abused investors. So that part is covered. But there might be something here in the idea of: Financial bounty hunters who get 60% of the loot they bring in by investigating fraud as out-sourced, self-organized, self-financing law enforcement. It might get pretty scary in the right way. But then again this might be grist for a Grisham type novel. I just watch the movie version.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bond Girl you write: &#8220;like defense, the confidentiality element would be a limiting factor in competition.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand what you mean here. Please explain.</p>
<p>Also, yes, apples and oranges are getting mixed up here. The apples being the need for better monitoring of risk, creating better regulation or bringing back older regulations that worked better, for example, the Glass-Seagall Act, or (horrors socialism) a 90% tax bracket for very high income earners perhaps.</p>
<p>Now for the oranges. Free-market proponents are all for privatization and outsourcing to eliminate or reduce government (taxpayer) funding. There is already tort for abused investors. So that part is covered. But there might be something here in the idea of: Financial bounty hunters who get 60% of the loot they bring in by investigating fraud as out-sourced, self-organized, self-financing law enforcement. It might get pretty scary in the right way. But then again this might be grist for a Grisham type novel. I just watch the movie version.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Billy vs. Mont Pelerin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle Billy vs. Mont Pelerin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well if we had a planned global economy, none of this would matter, right?

Don&#039;t worry about the slackers and closet totalitarians in such a scenario -- it&#039;s all been thought out.  No more loans, derivatives, wall street, dark pools, oligarchs, utilitarian poverty... just bungalows and gardens, solarpanels, and factories and service industry humming along at more than full capacity.

In 3 or 4 generations we could turn this ship right around (providing the asteroid doesn&#039;t hit).

-- This has been &quot;Your Utopian Moment&quot; for August 3rd, 2009]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if we had a planned global economy, none of this would matter, right?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about the slackers and closet totalitarians in such a scenario &#8212; it&#8217;s all been thought out.  No more loans, derivatives, wall street, dark pools, oligarchs, utilitarian poverty&#8230; just bungalows and gardens, solarpanels, and factories and service industry humming along at more than full capacity.</p>
<p>In 3 or 4 generations we could turn this ship right around (providing the asteroid doesn&#8217;t hit).</p>
<p>&#8211; This has been &#8220;Your Utopian Moment&#8221; for August 3rd, 2009</p>
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		<title>By: Bond Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bond Girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the law of parsimony is useful here.  If they are not in favor of the reform, it probably does not suit their financial interests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the law of parsimony is useful here.  If they are not in favor of the reform, it probably does not suit their financial interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Bond Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bond Girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, we really need an entity that is motivated and not overwhelmed by the enforcement role and is also sophisticated enough to monitor risk in the system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we really need an entity that is motivated and not overwhelmed by the enforcement role and is also sophisticated enough to monitor risk in the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Tippy Golden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tippy Golden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it would be too much work for one bounty hunter. But how about self-organized teams of bounty hunters for competition.

If the United States can hire mercenaries to fight the war in Iraq ... why not outsource national defence in the form of outsourced securities regulation?

Where would there be legal barriers? The U.S. is famous for its tort system. Why not tort for abused investors?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it would be too much work for one bounty hunter. But how about self-organized teams of bounty hunters for competition.</p>
<p>If the United States can hire mercenaries to fight the war in Iraq &#8230; why not outsource national defence in the form of outsourced securities regulation?</p>
<p>Where would there be legal barriers? The U.S. is famous for its tort system. Why not tort for abused investors?</p>
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