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	<title>Comments on: Bernanke And The Lobbies: Confidence Illusion</title>
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		<title>By: Helen Updike</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/23/bernanke-and-the-lobbies-confidence-illusion/#comment-21389</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Helen Updike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few posters have mentioned this, but keep in mind that the Fed is the banks. Some independent economists get onto the Fed boards, and some of the executives from smaller banks have been consistent voices of reason, but they did not predominate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few posters have mentioned this, but keep in mind that the Fed is the banks. Some independent economists get onto the Fed boards, and some of the executives from smaller banks have been consistent voices of reason, but they did not predominate.</p>
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		<title>By: 3-D</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/23/bernanke-and-the-lobbies-confidence-illusion/#comment-21003</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe I&#039;m an idiot, but my reaction is pretty much as you described, though it happened before things really crashed. I got in to a bit of debt voluntarily for the first time in my life. Used a credit card a bit just to &quot;build some credit&quot;. Then I wound up unemployed. Twice. The second time just as I had paid down the debt from the first time. My opinion was already swinging toward &quot;The finance industry is a crock...&quot; as I looked at how the finance charges affected my budgeting.

Then the whole blow up happened, and suddenly I took an interest in financial education that I never had before. Everything I&#039;ve read has convinced me that while getting in to debt (on a FIXED RATE, thank you) for a reasonable house is acceptable, and MAYBE a reasonable (used) car purchase on a loan can be done, for all other reasons it&#039;s just a massive trap you can catch yourself in. It&#039;s much better to have money in the bank and a solid budgeting plan.

Granted I didn&#039;t get in to the AMAZING levels of debt some of my friends did, but the small burn I felt combined with the mess the finance industry has put this country in have left me reticent to trust any money to the jackals currently slashing and burning their way through the economy. I&#039;ll keep a savings account, maybe some CDs, but using credit to buy things or investing in anything other than saving up to build my own business seems idiotic at this point. Particularly with how the finance industry is fighting (and winning) for the right to keep up the same behavior.

They will get no confidence from unemployed, underemployed, or in my case simply wary customers (I REFUSE to be labeled &quot;consumer&quot;) that have now done their homework and refuse to be suckered. The 23rd ended with stocks up due to increased profits from blue chips and investors saying &quot;WHEW, IT&#039;S ALL OVER GUYS!&quot; but unemployment numbers continue to look bad, and the profits came without any increases in revenue.

My question for the Masters of the Universe: How are you expecting to restore confidence when you&#039;re firing everyone you need to buy your junk, and letting the ones still employed know that you intend to keep being irresponsible with their money?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m an idiot, but my reaction is pretty much as you described, though it happened before things really crashed. I got in to a bit of debt voluntarily for the first time in my life. Used a credit card a bit just to &#8220;build some credit&#8221;. Then I wound up unemployed. Twice. The second time just as I had paid down the debt from the first time. My opinion was already swinging toward &#8220;The finance industry is a crock&#8230;&#8221; as I looked at how the finance charges affected my budgeting.</p>
<p>Then the whole blow up happened, and suddenly I took an interest in financial education that I never had before. Everything I&#8217;ve read has convinced me that while getting in to debt (on a FIXED RATE, thank you) for a reasonable house is acceptable, and MAYBE a reasonable (used) car purchase on a loan can be done, for all other reasons it&#8217;s just a massive trap you can catch yourself in. It&#8217;s much better to have money in the bank and a solid budgeting plan.</p>
<p>Granted I didn&#8217;t get in to the AMAZING levels of debt some of my friends did, but the small burn I felt combined with the mess the finance industry has put this country in have left me reticent to trust any money to the jackals currently slashing and burning their way through the economy. I&#8217;ll keep a savings account, maybe some CDs, but using credit to buy things or investing in anything other than saving up to build my own business seems idiotic at this point. Particularly with how the finance industry is fighting (and winning) for the right to keep up the same behavior.</p>
<p>They will get no confidence from unemployed, underemployed, or in my case simply wary customers (I REFUSE to be labeled &#8220;consumer&#8221;) that have now done their homework and refuse to be suckered. The 23rd ended with stocks up due to increased profits from blue chips and investors saying &#8220;WHEW, IT&#8217;S ALL OVER GUYS!&#8221; but unemployment numbers continue to look bad, and the profits came without any increases in revenue.</p>
<p>My question for the Masters of the Universe: How are you expecting to restore confidence when you&#8217;re firing everyone you need to buy your junk, and letting the ones still employed know that you intend to keep being irresponsible with their money?</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/23/bernanke-and-the-lobbies-confidence-illusion/#comment-20999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StatsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because he was an insider, and Obama wanted to signal his non-confrontational stance to Wall Street.  (Indeed, for the first 6 months of office, Obama has been too eager to signal his non-confrontational stance on pretty much everything.)

Here was the sentiment at the time:

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1861311,00.html

And for the record, it&#039;s a rare thing that Blodget and I agree on anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because he was an insider, and Obama wanted to signal his non-confrontational stance to Wall Street.  (Indeed, for the first 6 months of office, Obama has been too eager to signal his non-confrontational stance on pretty much everything.)</p>
<p>Here was the sentiment at the time:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1861311,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1861311,00.html</a></p>
<p>And for the record, it&#8217;s a rare thing that Blodget and I agree on anything.</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StatsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Implied real interest rates (estimated via TIPS/Tbills spread, or other mechanisms) were negative.

Goldman Sachs (evil, but still smart) estimated that the ideal Taylor rate was -6% - yes, well below the zero bound.  They also estimated that achieving an effective rate that low would require credit facilities several times larger than what the Fed was then deploying.

The obvious response was QE.  This did not come till much much later, and when it did, it (in comnbination with a Geithner plan that was deeply flawed but at least had some details) clearly marked the beginning of the stabilization.  However, the stabilization occurred at an unemployment rate that is ALREADY higher than the &quot;bad case scenario&quot; projected by the Fed in late 2008.

Meanwhile, at the same time, the dollar broke a long term secular losing trend to GAIN against other currencies, in spite of sustained trade deficits.  I suspect the US Fed may have delayed QE because the ECB charged forward with its strong-euro policy which I suspect was designed to replace the dollar as the world reserve currency.  And yes, I believe this was a mistake, and caused significant unnecessary harm to the world economy.  (And yes, the ECB is the greater villain and Europe is still paying the price, but the Fed wasn&#039;t blameless.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Implied real interest rates (estimated via TIPS/Tbills spread, or other mechanisms) were negative.</p>
<p>Goldman Sachs (evil, but still smart) estimated that the ideal Taylor rate was -6% &#8211; yes, well below the zero bound.  They also estimated that achieving an effective rate that low would require credit facilities several times larger than what the Fed was then deploying.</p>
<p>The obvious response was QE.  This did not come till much much later, and when it did, it (in comnbination with a Geithner plan that was deeply flawed but at least had some details) clearly marked the beginning of the stabilization.  However, the stabilization occurred at an unemployment rate that is ALREADY higher than the &#8220;bad case scenario&#8221; projected by the Fed in late 2008.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, at the same time, the dollar broke a long term secular losing trend to GAIN against other currencies, in spite of sustained trade deficits.  I suspect the US Fed may have delayed QE because the ECB charged forward with its strong-euro policy which I suspect was designed to replace the dollar as the world reserve currency.  And yes, I believe this was a mistake, and caused significant unnecessary harm to the world economy.  (And yes, the ECB is the greater villain and Europe is still paying the price, but the Fed wasn&#8217;t blameless.)</p>
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		<title>By: Shalom P. Hamou</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/23/bernanke-and-the-lobbies-confidence-illusion/#comment-20969</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shalom P. Hamou]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article: &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.yield-curve.net/2009/07/systemic-bernanke.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ben &quot;Systemic Risk&quot; Bernanke&lt;/a&gt; proves that Bernanke knowingly maintained a strict monetary policy long after he knew of the sub prime problem as he knew it would be the only cause of the &quot;Depression&quot;.

It shows that he probably engineered it on purpose!

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;If you want to sleep tonight, Don&#039;t Read It!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;In contradiction to the prevalent view of the time, that money and monetary policy played at most a purely passive role in the Depression, Friedman and Schwartz argued that &lt;b&gt;&quot;the [economic] contraction is in fact a tragic testimonial to the importance of monetary forces&quot;&lt;/b&gt; (Friedman and Schwartz, 1963, p. 300).
.....


The slowdown in economic activity, together with high interest rates, was in all likelihood the most important source of the stock market crash that followed in October.

In other words, the market crash, rather than being the cause of the Depression, as popular legend has it, was in fact largely the result of an economic slowdown and &lt;b&gt;the inappropriate monetary policies that preceded it.&lt;/b&gt;

Of course, the stock market crash only worsened the economic situation, hurting consumer and business confidence and contributing to a still deeper downturn in 1930.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Governor Ben S. Bernanke
&lt;b&gt;Money, Gold, and the Great Depression.&lt;/b&gt;
At the H. Parker Willis Lecture in Economic Policy, Washington and Lee University,
Lexington, Virginia.
March 2nd, 2004


You can read also: &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.yield-curve.net/2009/07/adventure-in-new-world.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Preparing for the  Crash, The Age of Turbulence Update: 22/07/09.&lt;/a&gt;, which tries to accomplish Greenspan Mission Impossible:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Much as we might wish otherwise, policy-makers cannot reliably anticipate financial or economic shocks or the consequences of economic imbalances. Financial crises are characterised by discontinuous breaks in market pricing the timing of which by definition must be unanticipated - if people see them coming, then the markets arbitrage them away.

.....

That is &lt;b&gt;mission impossible&lt;/b&gt;. Indeed, the international financial community has made numerous efforts in recent years to establish such oversight, but none prevented or ameliorated the crisis that began last summer. Much as we might wish otherwise, policy makers cannot reliably anticipate financial or economic shocks or the consequences of economic imbalances. Financial crises are characterised by discontinuous breaks in market pricing the timing of which by definition must be unanticipated - if people see them coming, then the markets arbitrage them away.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Alan Greenspan
&lt;b&gt;The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World [Economic Order?].&lt;/b&gt;


&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.yield-curve.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Plea for a New World Economic Order.&lt;/a&gt; explains the nature and causes of economic depressions and proposes a plausible alternative solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article: <a href="http://blog.yield-curve.net/2009/07/systemic-bernanke.html" rel="nofollow">Ben &#8220;Systemic Risk&#8221; Bernanke</a> proves that Bernanke knowingly maintained a strict monetary policy long after he knew of the sub prime problem as he knew it would be the only cause of the &#8220;Depression&#8221;.</p>
<p>It shows that he probably engineered it on purpose!</p>
<p><b><i>If you want to sleep tonight, Don&#8217;t Read It!</i></b></p>
<p><i>&#8220;In contradiction to the prevalent view of the time, that money and monetary policy played at most a purely passive role in the Depression, Friedman and Schwartz argued that <b>&#8220;the [economic] contraction is in fact a tragic testimonial to the importance of monetary forces&#8221;</b> (Friedman and Schwartz, 1963, p. 300).<br />
&#8230;..</p>
<p>The slowdown in economic activity, together with high interest rates, was in all likelihood the most important source of the stock market crash that followed in October.</p>
<p>In other words, the market crash, rather than being the cause of the Depression, as popular legend has it, was in fact largely the result of an economic slowdown and <b>the inappropriate monetary policies that preceded it.</b></p>
<p>Of course, the stock market crash only worsened the economic situation, hurting consumer and business confidence and contributing to a still deeper downturn in 1930.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Governor Ben S. Bernanke<br />
<b>Money, Gold, and the Great Depression.</b><br />
At the H. Parker Willis Lecture in Economic Policy, Washington and Lee University,<br />
Lexington, Virginia.<br />
March 2nd, 2004</p>
<p>You can read also: <a href="http://blog.yield-curve.net/2009/07/adventure-in-new-world.html" rel="nofollow">Preparing for the  Crash, The Age of Turbulence Update: 22/07/09.</a>, which tries to accomplish Greenspan Mission Impossible:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Much as we might wish otherwise, policy-makers cannot reliably anticipate financial or economic shocks or the consequences of economic imbalances. Financial crises are characterised by discontinuous breaks in market pricing the timing of which by definition must be unanticipated &#8211; if people see them coming, then the markets arbitrage them away.</p>
<p>&#8230;..</p>
<p>That is <b>mission impossible</b>. Indeed, the international financial community has made numerous efforts in recent years to establish such oversight, but none prevented or ameliorated the crisis that began last summer. Much as we might wish otherwise, policy makers cannot reliably anticipate financial or economic shocks or the consequences of economic imbalances. Financial crises are characterised by discontinuous breaks in market pricing the timing of which by definition must be unanticipated &#8211; if people see them coming, then the markets arbitrage them away.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Alan Greenspan<br />
<b>The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World [Economic Order?].</b></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.yield-curve.net/" rel="nofollow">Plea for a New World Economic Order.</a> explains the nature and causes of economic depressions and proposes a plausible alternative solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/23/bernanke-and-the-lobbies-confidence-illusion/#comment-20965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All transaction markets can function effectively only if the participants trust each other.  Laws and enforcement is intended to ensure that this trust extends to all participants because not everybody can be trusted.  If a participant doesn&#039;t suffer consequences of his behavior, whether legitimate in the market (he loses money on the deal or leaves money on the table) or not (he gets caught cheating and is punished by incarceration or fines or whipping or being pilloried or some combination of items in this list or not in it), he acts in a trustworthy manner either because he sees a long-term or more general benefit from it, because he thinks it&#039;s the &quot;right thing to do&quot; or he&#039;s afraid of being caught and punished.  If other participants don&#039;t trust him, they won&#039;t transact with him.  This simple, but, not naive.  We, the borrowers (even those who understand the lenders and the language - I was a commercial lender for 9 years) don&#039;t trust the lenders, so, we won&#039;t transact business with them.  To rebuild trust, banks will have to act differently AND to ensure that they do, we need an independent agency to &quot;police&quot; this market.

Without it, the banks have no incentive to act fairly or honestly.  They have no reason to compete so intensely that they drive other out of this market or out of business.  Antitrust law, if enforced, won&#039;t allow it and the cost of doing this would exceed the benefit to be derived from it.  They have &quot;market power&quot;.  There are few lenders and many borrowers.  Borrowers compete intensely for loans, but, banks don&#039;t have to.  They establish an informal cartel through signaling rather than collusion, thereby, keeping industry profits higher than they would be if they competed &quot;to the death.&quot;  It&#039;s called being &quot;smart competitors&quot;.  Borrowers, because there are so many small ones and so few banks (I know, there are 7,000+ banks in the US.  But, there are 200 million borrowers), are not &quot;smart competitors&quot; (they have too much to  compete with each other for limited funds offered by these banks).  Thus, the banks are collectively better off than they would be if they actually competed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All transaction markets can function effectively only if the participants trust each other.  Laws and enforcement is intended to ensure that this trust extends to all participants because not everybody can be trusted.  If a participant doesn&#8217;t suffer consequences of his behavior, whether legitimate in the market (he loses money on the deal or leaves money on the table) or not (he gets caught cheating and is punished by incarceration or fines or whipping or being pilloried or some combination of items in this list or not in it), he acts in a trustworthy manner either because he sees a long-term or more general benefit from it, because he thinks it&#8217;s the &#8220;right thing to do&#8221; or he&#8217;s afraid of being caught and punished.  If other participants don&#8217;t trust him, they won&#8217;t transact with him.  This simple, but, not naive.  We, the borrowers (even those who understand the lenders and the language &#8211; I was a commercial lender for 9 years) don&#8217;t trust the lenders, so, we won&#8217;t transact business with them.  To rebuild trust, banks will have to act differently AND to ensure that they do, we need an independent agency to &#8220;police&#8221; this market.</p>
<p>Without it, the banks have no incentive to act fairly or honestly.  They have no reason to compete so intensely that they drive other out of this market or out of business.  Antitrust law, if enforced, won&#8217;t allow it and the cost of doing this would exceed the benefit to be derived from it.  They have &#8220;market power&#8221;.  There are few lenders and many borrowers.  Borrowers compete intensely for loans, but, banks don&#8217;t have to.  They establish an informal cartel through signaling rather than collusion, thereby, keeping industry profits higher than they would be if they competed &#8220;to the death.&#8221;  It&#8217;s called being &#8220;smart competitors&#8221;.  Borrowers, because there are so many small ones and so few banks (I know, there are 7,000+ banks in the US.  But, there are 200 million borrowers), are not &#8220;smart competitors&#8221; (they have too much to  compete with each other for limited funds offered by these banks).  Thus, the banks are collectively better off than they would be if they actually competed.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In his testimony, Bernanke makes the case that the appropriate expertise lies with the Fed.  Whereas it&#039;s accurate to assert that the Fed understands banking, especially commercial banking, from an asset/liability management perspective, it&#039;s inaccurate to assert that this understanding implies a deep grasp of the nature and subtleties of consumer banking, in particular credit card lending.  If this expertise isn&#039;t the Fed&#039;s, then, whose is it?

Without granting the Fed their expertise, assume for the moment that they are, indeed, THE experts.  What evidence do we have that they would act in defense of the borrower on the conclusions that they reach about any predatory or near-fraudulent behavior of lenders?  My sense is that the Fed has demonstrated, or certainly evidenced, a strong bias toward preserving the the banking system &quot;as is&quot;, i. e., the status quo.  So what if they&#039;re the experts?  I doubt that their expertise would benefit the retail borrower in cases of conflict between the bankers and the borrowers.  Knowing how the car works doesn&#039;t imply that a) you know how to drive it, b) that you&#039;ll drive it safely or c) that you&#039;ll drive it to the right destination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his testimony, Bernanke makes the case that the appropriate expertise lies with the Fed.  Whereas it&#8217;s accurate to assert that the Fed understands banking, especially commercial banking, from an asset/liability management perspective, it&#8217;s inaccurate to assert that this understanding implies a deep grasp of the nature and subtleties of consumer banking, in particular credit card lending.  If this expertise isn&#8217;t the Fed&#8217;s, then, whose is it?</p>
<p>Without granting the Fed their expertise, assume for the moment that they are, indeed, THE experts.  What evidence do we have that they would act in defense of the borrower on the conclusions that they reach about any predatory or near-fraudulent behavior of lenders?  My sense is that the Fed has demonstrated, or certainly evidenced, a strong bias toward preserving the the banking system &#8220;as is&#8221;, i. e., the status quo.  So what if they&#8217;re the experts?  I doubt that their expertise would benefit the retail borrower in cases of conflict between the bankers and the borrowers.  Knowing how the car works doesn&#8217;t imply that a) you know how to drive it, b) that you&#8217;ll drive it safely or c) that you&#8217;ll drive it to the right destination.</p>
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		<title>By: some guy in a cube</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/23/bernanke-and-the-lobbies-confidence-illusion/#comment-20963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[some guy in a cube]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why don&#039;t we just call their bluff? Let&#039;s abolish the Fed, and see what happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t we just call their bluff? Let&#8217;s abolish the Fed, and see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: bungalowbill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bungalowbill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[StatsGuy,

if Geithner is the idiot that you and Blodget suggest, why did Obama pick him?

Was he chosen because he was an idiot?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StatsGuy,</p>
<p>if Geithner is the idiot that you and Blodget suggest, why did Obama pick him?</p>
<p>Was he chosen because he was an idiot?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/23/bernanke-and-the-lobbies-confidence-illusion/#comment-20961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why not count Isaiah Berlin?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not count Isaiah Berlin?</p>
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		<title>By: bayardwaterbury</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bayardwaterbury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As much as I love Bernanke (more than Geithner and Summers, less than Bair and Romer), I do see this argument as a part of simple &quot;turf&quot; defense.  Ben wants to keep the power that the Fed has, and, if it becomes dispersed, especially relating directly to banks, He loses some authority, or at least that seems to be his perception.  I also believe that it is a bad idea, but I go further in that I feel that the Fed shouldn&#039;t be involved at all in direct regulation of banks.  There is no need:  Sheila Bair&#039;s group does just fine in that area.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I love Bernanke (more than Geithner and Summers, less than Bair and Romer), I do see this argument as a part of simple &#8220;turf&#8221; defense.  Ben wants to keep the power that the Fed has, and, if it becomes dispersed, especially relating directly to banks, He loses some authority, or at least that seems to be his perception.  I also believe that it is a bad idea, but I go further in that I feel that the Fed shouldn&#8217;t be involved at all in direct regulation of banks.  There is no need:  Sheila Bair&#8217;s group does just fine in that area.</p>
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		<title>By: NY</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/23/bernanke-and-the-lobbies-confidence-illusion/#comment-20957</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s business as usual on Wall Street but even more manic. A few weeks ago my 401k statement with Morgan Stanley Smith Barney on the paperwork instead of Smith Barney. I laughed and asked my wife if there were now less than 5 Wall Street companies.

Well today I got a love letter (okay a very nice form letter) bragging on how the merger of Morgan Stanley Smith Barney happened to better meet my needs. But I was shocked to see their new company brags of managing 1.3 trillion (!) in assets. I guess moral hazard is a thing of the past. I find that quiet concentration of assets into fewer and fewer hands with little input or protest unnerving. We really are not in Kansas anymore.

I have half a mind to write a satirical response to my new pen pals, the Chairman and CEO, to thank them for thinking enough of my needs that they built an unsustainable monopoly. There must be only sunshine and rainbows and unicorns in their part of the world. Sadly I live with the 99% of Americans who worry about being laid off and paying our 20% increase in health care premiums every 9 months.

Short answer: we&#039;re toast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s business as usual on Wall Street but even more manic. A few weeks ago my 401k statement with Morgan Stanley Smith Barney on the paperwork instead of Smith Barney. I laughed and asked my wife if there were now less than 5 Wall Street companies.</p>
<p>Well today I got a love letter (okay a very nice form letter) bragging on how the merger of Morgan Stanley Smith Barney happened to better meet my needs. But I was shocked to see their new company brags of managing 1.3 trillion (!) in assets. I guess moral hazard is a thing of the past. I find that quiet concentration of assets into fewer and fewer hands with little input or protest unnerving. We really are not in Kansas anymore.</p>
<p>I have half a mind to write a satirical response to my new pen pals, the Chairman and CEO, to thank them for thinking enough of my needs that they built an unsustainable monopoly. There must be only sunshine and rainbows and unicorns in their part of the world. Sadly I live with the 99% of Americans who worry about being laid off and paying our 20% increase in health care premiums every 9 months.</p>
<p>Short answer: we&#8217;re toast.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Habtemariam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Habtemariam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What sort of strong-dollar/deflationary policy are you referring to when you cite early October through late February?  Are you looking at the federal funds rate?  the discount window?  asset purchases?  the Fed&#039;s lending programs?  &#039;Cause when I look at them, I don&#039;t think I&#039;m seeing what you&#039;re seeing.

And you&#039;re right.  From a rational point of view, we&#039;re going overboard by getting this personal.  I just wish everyone else felt the same way.

I also hadn&#039;t given thought to it, but you&#039;re also probably right that Bernanke is simply the only face we see hiding a fractious Fed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What sort of strong-dollar/deflationary policy are you referring to when you cite early October through late February?  Are you looking at the federal funds rate?  the discount window?  asset purchases?  the Fed&#8217;s lending programs?  &#8216;Cause when I look at them, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m seeing what you&#8217;re seeing.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right.  From a rational point of view, we&#8217;re going overboard by getting this personal.  I just wish everyone else felt the same way.</p>
<p>I also hadn&#8217;t given thought to it, but you&#8217;re also probably right that Bernanke is simply the only face we see hiding a fractious Fed.</p>
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		<title>By: cougar_w</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/23/bernanke-and-the-lobbies-confidence-illusion/#comment-20951</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cougar_w]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A nit-pik: Can we not refer to ourselves as &quot;consumers&quot; please? We are rather more complex than that, and our emergent fear of the markets and government are not restricted to getting price-gouged or something.

We are CITIZENS. We own the government, and the government in turn regulates through charters and laws the very existence of corporations. Period. The sense however is that our ownership rights are being infringed by powerful interests, if not outright stolen.

This theft can only be accomplished readily if the myth is maintained that the citizens are &quot;consumers&quot; and the rightful possession of corporations, rather than the reverse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nit-pik: Can we not refer to ourselves as &#8220;consumers&#8221; please? We are rather more complex than that, and our emergent fear of the markets and government are not restricted to getting price-gouged or something.</p>
<p>We are CITIZENS. We own the government, and the government in turn regulates through charters and laws the very existence of corporations. Period. The sense however is that our ownership rights are being infringed by powerful interests, if not outright stolen.</p>
<p>This theft can only be accomplished readily if the myth is maintained that the citizens are &#8220;consumers&#8221; and the rightful possession of corporations, rather than the reverse.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan McConnell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan McConnell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Selam Habtemariam!  (As I would salute you in Eritrea)
Please excuse a) the misspelling of your name in
my previous post, and b) the convoluted way in which
I referred to the Horn of Africa, and &quot;ancestry&quot;.
I had to allow for the fact that you might be a
Weyane.  (Although it seems there is not in the USA
the Erit/Ethio antagonism that one finds in Eritrea
and Ethiopia)

You, or anyone, can send me private E-mail at
     alan17b0@gmail.com
This is best if we are going to reminisce about
wonderful wonderful Eritrea and the tragic times
on which it has fallen.

Back to economics.  It is possible, even likely,
that Rubin, or Geithner, or Summers, are pleasant
people who it would be fun to have a beer with --
preferably Melotti, of course.  But the fact
remains that they are from and of Wall Street,
and the present well-being of the big banks
reflects that IMHO.   I hope we ALL know that
according to Michael Moore every other house in
Flint Michigan stands vacant.

I also just discovered that there is a sub-program
of the TARP called HAMP, the Home Affordable
Modification Program.  The GAO has some interesting
stuff about this;  check out
       http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d09837high.pdf
for the highlights of their just released report.
It seems that every home-owner seeking relief
under this program must &quot;undergo counseling&quot;.  ! ! !

Is there any requirement that the heads of
Goldman Sachs, or AIG, undergo counseling?

It is not a good thing to be a poor person in
these United States.

Best wishes,

Alan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selam Habtemariam!  (As I would salute you in Eritrea)<br />
Please excuse a) the misspelling of your name in<br />
my previous post, and b) the convoluted way in which<br />
I referred to the Horn of Africa, and &#8220;ancestry&#8221;.<br />
I had to allow for the fact that you might be a<br />
Weyane.  (Although it seems there is not in the USA<br />
the Erit/Ethio antagonism that one finds in Eritrea<br />
and Ethiopia)</p>
<p>You, or anyone, can send me private E-mail at<br />
     <a href="mailto:alan17b0@gmail.com">alan17b0@gmail.com</a><br />
This is best if we are going to reminisce about<br />
wonderful wonderful Eritrea and the tragic times<br />
on which it has fallen.</p>
<p>Back to economics.  It is possible, even likely,<br />
that Rubin, or Geithner, or Summers, are pleasant<br />
people who it would be fun to have a beer with &#8211;<br />
preferably Melotti, of course.  But the fact<br />
remains that they are from and of Wall Street,<br />
and the present well-being of the big banks<br />
reflects that IMHO.   I hope we ALL know that<br />
according to Michael Moore every other house in<br />
Flint Michigan stands vacant.</p>
<p>I also just discovered that there is a sub-program<br />
of the TARP called HAMP, the Home Affordable<br />
Modification Program.  The GAO has some interesting<br />
stuff about this;  check out<br />
       <a href="http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d09837high.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d09837high.pdf</a><br />
for the highlights of their just released report.<br />
It seems that every home-owner seeking relief<br />
under this program must &#8220;undergo counseling&#8221;.  ! ! !</p>
<p>Is there any requirement that the heads of<br />
Goldman Sachs, or AIG, undergo counseling?</p>
<p>It is not a good thing to be a poor person in<br />
these United States.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Alan</p>
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