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		<title>By: Emaddymon</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-23953</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s up, is there anybody else here?
If there&#039;s anyone else here,  let me know.
Oh, and yes I&#039;m a real person LOL.

Later,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s up, is there anybody else here?<br />
If there&#8217;s anyone else here,  let me know.<br />
Oh, and yes I&#8217;m a real person LOL.</p>
<p>Later,</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-20403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brenda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your right no totally free economy exits.  But government involvement/regulation, due to the nature of the engine, is too slow and is fighting the last war on economic problems.  We would be better with less government and more education.

To that end, everyone should have a solid concept of Supply and Demand, and limited resources; think in those terms on most decisions.  If you add stealing is the only crime, then you will have an ethics class that will solve most of our problems that &quot;need to be regulated&quot;.  As for the consumer, buyer beware has always been the rule.  We also allow litigation if a product does not meet customer expectations.  I am still surprised no one has not taken a bank to court over their sup prime loan, but then they would have to be determined to be incompetent to understand a contract.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your right no totally free economy exits.  But government involvement/regulation, due to the nature of the engine, is too slow and is fighting the last war on economic problems.  We would be better with less government and more education.</p>
<p>To that end, everyone should have a solid concept of Supply and Demand, and limited resources; think in those terms on most decisions.  If you add stealing is the only crime, then you will have an ethics class that will solve most of our problems that &#8220;need to be regulated&#8221;.  As for the consumer, buyer beware has always been the rule.  We also allow litigation if a product does not meet customer expectations.  I am still surprised no one has not taken a bank to court over their sup prime loan, but then they would have to be determined to be incompetent to understand a contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-20400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brenda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are too caught up in regulating.  What we need to teach is ethics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are too caught up in regulating.  What we need to teach is ethics.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-20375</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more word.  No &quot;free economy&quot; exits.  Besides, why is a free economy a goal in itself?  My response to the argument that policy leads away from a free economy is, &quot;So what?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more word.  No &#8220;free economy&#8221; exits.  Besides, why is a free economy a goal in itself?  My response to the argument that policy leads away from a free economy is, &#8220;So what?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-20374</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes.  Even though we don&#039;t understand how to model that, we still have to try to manage it.  Remember the Wall Street adage, &quot;Stocks are not bought.  They&#039;re sold.&quot;  This bubble isn&#039;t about fools being taken where they were destined to go, anyway - the cleaners.  This bubble is about people buying on emotion (as every sales pro knows) and supporting it with logic, as have been most financial and real estate bubbles.  This applies to the professionals as well as to the &quot;odd lotters&quot;.  The game needs rules, not because there&#039;s some intrinsic value to having them or some moral principle that they embody, but because we&#039;re all better off in the aggregate with them, if they&#039;re equitable, reasonable and set limits on behavior.  That&#039;s why we have laws.  Why is theft at gun point worse than theft by promises and lies?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Even though we don&#8217;t understand how to model that, we still have to try to manage it.  Remember the Wall Street adage, &#8220;Stocks are not bought.  They&#8217;re sold.&#8221;  This bubble isn&#8217;t about fools being taken where they were destined to go, anyway &#8211; the cleaners.  This bubble is about people buying on emotion (as every sales pro knows) and supporting it with logic, as have been most financial and real estate bubbles.  This applies to the professionals as well as to the &#8220;odd lotters&#8221;.  The game needs rules, not because there&#8217;s some intrinsic value to having them or some moral principle that they embody, but because we&#8217;re all better off in the aggregate with them, if they&#8217;re equitable, reasonable and set limits on behavior.  That&#8217;s why we have laws.  Why is theft at gun point worse than theft by promises and lies?</p>
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		<title>By: Scot Griffin</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-20366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scot Griffin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Brenda,

Your post is a perfect example of why the discussion of spotting bubbles is of little value.  One of the prevailing memes-- and your post states it pretty much perfectly-- is that the REAL problem was the American consumer living beyond his means.

As long as we focus on bubbles, we ignore the man behind the curtain: a rotten financial sector.  Just because the profligate, irrational American consumer demanded more credit did not mean that the financial sector had to supply it.  Since the financial sector have the money (actually, it is mostly our money and not theirs), what right do they have to lend money that they cannot reasonably expect will be paid back?

Perhaps the corrolary to &quot;there is a sucker born every minute&quot; is &quot;there is a con man born every minute.&quot;  We can&#039;t regulate stupidity, but we sure can regulate reckless behavior and criminalize criminal behavior, provided that we focus our attention on the real problem, which I guarantee you is not the consumer.  

It&#039;s like blaming a child for burning down the house when it was his parent who handed him a box of matches and told him to go into another room and have fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brenda,</p>
<p>Your post is a perfect example of why the discussion of spotting bubbles is of little value.  One of the prevailing memes&#8211; and your post states it pretty much perfectly&#8211; is that the REAL problem was the American consumer living beyond his means.</p>
<p>As long as we focus on bubbles, we ignore the man behind the curtain: a rotten financial sector.  Just because the profligate, irrational American consumer demanded more credit did not mean that the financial sector had to supply it.  Since the financial sector have the money (actually, it is mostly our money and not theirs), what right do they have to lend money that they cannot reasonably expect will be paid back?</p>
<p>Perhaps the corrolary to &#8220;there is a sucker born every minute&#8221; is &#8220;there is a con man born every minute.&#8221;  We can&#8217;t regulate stupidity, but we sure can regulate reckless behavior and criminalize criminal behavior, provided that we focus our attention on the real problem, which I guarantee you is not the consumer.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like blaming a child for burning down the house when it was his parent who handed him a box of matches and told him to go into another room and have fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-20365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brenda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.T. Barnum is ofter erroneously quoted as saying, &quot;There is a sucker born every minute.&quot; But the phrase works for markts. Bubbles are suckers being caught.  Anytime one has to spend more then they can afford for the &quot;new Must have&quot; you are at the top of a bubble, or it is the new must do.  To regulate them is folley unless you are going to regulate everything from Beany Babies, six sigma type Blackbelts to housing.  Until people learn to buy things they want; within their means and not look at them as a make money quick venture there will always be bubbles.  Regulating them would be like trying to stop the wind and is not part of a free economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.T. Barnum is ofter erroneously quoted as saying, &#8220;There is a sucker born every minute.&#8221; But the phrase works for markts. Bubbles are suckers being caught.  Anytime one has to spend more then they can afford for the &#8220;new Must have&#8221; you are at the top of a bubble, or it is the new must do.  To regulate them is folley unless you are going to regulate everything from Beany Babies, six sigma type Blackbelts to housing.  Until people learn to buy things they want; within their means and not look at them as a make money quick venture there will always be bubbles.  Regulating them would be like trying to stop the wind and is not part of a free economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-20281</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kondratieff, anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kondratieff, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-20280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes.  I would go one step further and include the &quot;rational/irrational&quot; dichotomy among those false dichotomies to which you refer elsewhere in this blog.  I nominate, as well, the &quot;rigged/free markets&quot; dichotomy for expulsion from our thinking.

All people are influenced profoundly by their emotions in their decisions and acts, and all markets are rigged by their participants, by regulators or by legislators (usually by all three).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  I would go one step further and include the &#8220;rational/irrational&#8221; dichotomy among those false dichotomies to which you refer elsewhere in this blog.  I nominate, as well, the &#8220;rigged/free markets&#8221; dichotomy for expulsion from our thinking.</p>
<p>All people are influenced profoundly by their emotions in their decisions and acts, and all markets are rigged by their participants, by regulators or by legislators (usually by all three).</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-20279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A fundamental challenge for econometric approaches to predictive modeling is to model the links in the causal chain between our so-called &quot;animal spirits&quot; and their economic outcomes.  To build such a structure would require, first, finding accurate measures of the former and the latter and linking them mathematically.  Then, a feedback loop would have to be incorporated into the model that captures changes to our expectations and emotions that result from economic outcomes caused by the former, pre-feedback behavior (which was driven by the original emotional state, intellectual considerations and their consequent behavior).

This is incredibly difficult, if not impossible.  Is anyone even close to this type of model?  My limited acquaintance with econometric models is that they look no deeper than the national income and product accounts and the financial flows in order to &quot;postdict&quot; previous cycles, then, cross their fingers and hope that events repeat themselves in almost the same sequence and magnitude as before.  They model events without &quot;reaching through&quot; those events to their underlying causes.  This activity is essentially trial and error using huge arrays of variables in huge systems of equations without looking carefully at the underlying logic of the theory within which such models are constructed.  Trial and error and data-fitting without a narrative that predicts connections and removes surprise in predictable ways is a necessary stage in the evolution of a scientific discipline.  But, it&#039;s symptomatic of an immature science.  Will it ever be as &quot;easy&quot; to predict economic events as it is to predict the location of the moon at a given time relative to the location and rotation of the earth accurately enough to land a space ship on it?

The guys who predicted this collapse reasonably accurately (or better) were lucky or &quot;perma-bears&quot; (LOL, I love it!).  As James so aptly puts it, &quot;what we really want is a reliable indicator of irrational exuberance that will be the same in every bubble.&quot;  Economists know how to build models, no doubt, but, they don&#039;t have a good understanding of how to build the type of model that would achieve reliable, replicable predictive accuracy.  They just don&#039;t understand people well enough.  Who does?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fundamental challenge for econometric approaches to predictive modeling is to model the links in the causal chain between our so-called &#8220;animal spirits&#8221; and their economic outcomes.  To build such a structure would require, first, finding accurate measures of the former and the latter and linking them mathematically.  Then, a feedback loop would have to be incorporated into the model that captures changes to our expectations and emotions that result from economic outcomes caused by the former, pre-feedback behavior (which was driven by the original emotional state, intellectual considerations and their consequent behavior).</p>
<p>This is incredibly difficult, if not impossible.  Is anyone even close to this type of model?  My limited acquaintance with econometric models is that they look no deeper than the national income and product accounts and the financial flows in order to &#8220;postdict&#8221; previous cycles, then, cross their fingers and hope that events repeat themselves in almost the same sequence and magnitude as before.  They model events without &#8220;reaching through&#8221; those events to their underlying causes.  This activity is essentially trial and error using huge arrays of variables in huge systems of equations without looking carefully at the underlying logic of the theory within which such models are constructed.  Trial and error and data-fitting without a narrative that predicts connections and removes surprise in predictable ways is a necessary stage in the evolution of a scientific discipline.  But, it&#8217;s symptomatic of an immature science.  Will it ever be as &#8220;easy&#8221; to predict economic events as it is to predict the location of the moon at a given time relative to the location and rotation of the earth accurately enough to land a space ship on it?</p>
<p>The guys who predicted this collapse reasonably accurately (or better) were lucky or &#8220;perma-bears&#8221; (LOL, I love it!).  As James so aptly puts it, &#8220;what we really want is a reliable indicator of irrational exuberance that will be the same in every bubble.&#8221;  Economists know how to build models, no doubt, but, they don&#8217;t have a good understanding of how to build the type of model that would achieve reliable, replicable predictive accuracy.  They just don&#8217;t understand people well enough.  Who does?</p>
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		<title>By: bayardwaterbury</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-20274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bayardwaterbury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Niall Ferguson, in his four part series, The Assent of Money, really gets us to the understanding of how &quot;bubble&quot; economies are formed, how they work, and why they crash.  Most are really a kind of cross between con and ponzi scheme, and are virtually all caused by cooperation between financial elitists and governments, just like our present depression.

How do we know when &quot;bubbles&quot; are happening?  For me, it is like always asking the question:  &quot;If what is happening is too good to be true in the normal world, is it real?&quot;  In the run up to the current disaster, without the continuous cheerleadership of guys like Alan Greenspan, could we have gotten there?  I doubt it sincerely.  But, he had had so much adulation from  the media and business (and Congress and economists), that it was very unlikely to ever break the momentum that his view of unfettered capitalism sponsored.

I think that the actual lesson to learn is that we, as human beings, need to understand that wealth for the sake of itself is always a bad idea.  Only wealth which engenders other non-financial increses in human value is to be admired, desired, and respected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niall Ferguson, in his four part series, The Assent of Money, really gets us to the understanding of how &#8220;bubble&#8221; economies are formed, how they work, and why they crash.  Most are really a kind of cross between con and ponzi scheme, and are virtually all caused by cooperation between financial elitists and governments, just like our present depression.</p>
<p>How do we know when &#8220;bubbles&#8221; are happening?  For me, it is like always asking the question:  &#8220;If what is happening is too good to be true in the normal world, is it real?&#8221;  In the run up to the current disaster, without the continuous cheerleadership of guys like Alan Greenspan, could we have gotten there?  I doubt it sincerely.  But, he had had so much adulation from  the media and business (and Congress and economists), that it was very unlikely to ever break the momentum that his view of unfettered capitalism sponsored.</p>
<p>I think that the actual lesson to learn is that we, as human beings, need to understand that wealth for the sake of itself is always a bad idea.  Only wealth which engenders other non-financial increses in human value is to be admired, desired, and respected.</p>
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		<title>By: Glendokid</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might be interested in the book, &quot;Why Stock Markets Crash: Critical Events in Complex Financial Systems&quot; by Didier Sornette, a geologist/astrophysicist at UCLA and the Sorbonne.  He basically posits that markets are driven by trend followers and fundamentalists.  Then argues that a combination of sinusoidal and super exponential functions would should fit the price action. His work predicted the 2000 stock crash (and several others) well, but failed to &quot;fit&quot; after late 2001.  The most interesting part of the book talks about other crashes along the lines of &quot;Collapse&quot; and notes that human society has been growing super exponentially and should thus crash at some point.  His model predicts a 50% chance by 2042 as I recall.  

He also touches on a wonderful of array of history, mathematics, and physics along the way.  Thus it&#039;s a fun read even if you are very skeptical of curve fitting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in the book, &#8220;Why Stock Markets Crash: Critical Events in Complex Financial Systems&#8221; by Didier Sornette, a geologist/astrophysicist at UCLA and the Sorbonne.  He basically posits that markets are driven by trend followers and fundamentalists.  Then argues that a combination of sinusoidal and super exponential functions would should fit the price action. His work predicted the 2000 stock crash (and several others) well, but failed to &#8220;fit&#8221; after late 2001.  The most interesting part of the book talks about other crashes along the lines of &#8220;Collapse&#8221; and notes that human society has been growing super exponentially and should thus crash at some point.  His model predicts a 50% chance by 2042 as I recall.  </p>
<p>He also touches on a wonderful of array of history, mathematics, and physics along the way.  Thus it&#8217;s a fun read even if you are very skeptical of curve fitting.</p>
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		<title>By: Guru</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spotting bubbles is a second line of defense/ regulation..  
   The first or front line needs to be the Financial Products regulator.  FDA exists for the purpose of preventing adverse health repercussions of a product on an individual/ society, likewise a Financial product can have adverse repercussions for a person&#039;s financial health and if the product is not inspected properly, it can result in a social calamity like the sub-prime..  If the FPs are properly regulated, then bubbles can be nipped in the bud..  Surely, the industry will not like any regulation of FPs and even if it is created, it will not have adequate powers..  
    Then the next best regulatory action can be the imposition of equity on any asset securitization..  It is agreed that the Securitization is a sort of shadow banking system, so a money multiplier principle comes to the picture..  Regulate the percentage of any financial asset that can be securitized, due to the firm&#039;s residual equity in the loan quality will be automatically controlled..  The current regulation is specifying 5% requirement which is a good begining but this is a parameter that the regulators can use to control the flow of securitizations/ liquidity..  FDIC regulates depository banking instituions.. Is there a need for another separate regulator for shadow banking institutions?
   
  Forming regulation is one thing, but enforcement requires strong-willed individuals like Paul Volcker..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spotting bubbles is a second line of defense/ regulation..<br />
   The first or front line needs to be the Financial Products regulator.  FDA exists for the purpose of preventing adverse health repercussions of a product on an individual/ society, likewise a Financial product can have adverse repercussions for a person&#8217;s financial health and if the product is not inspected properly, it can result in a social calamity like the sub-prime..  If the FPs are properly regulated, then bubbles can be nipped in the bud..  Surely, the industry will not like any regulation of FPs and even if it is created, it will not have adequate powers..<br />
    Then the next best regulatory action can be the imposition of equity on any asset securitization..  It is agreed that the Securitization is a sort of shadow banking system, so a money multiplier principle comes to the picture..  Regulate the percentage of any financial asset that can be securitized, due to the firm&#8217;s residual equity in the loan quality will be automatically controlled..  The current regulation is specifying 5% requirement which is a good begining but this is a parameter that the regulators can use to control the flow of securitizations/ liquidity..  FDIC regulates depository banking instituions.. Is there a need for another separate regulator for shadow banking institutions?</p>
<p>  Forming regulation is one thing, but enforcement requires strong-willed individuals like Paul Volcker..</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This economist Dirk Bezemer rounded up the analysis of the people who DID see this coming and found the common factors in their methodology. Here&#039;s an excerpt:

&lt;i&gt;The credit crisis and ensuing recession may be viewed as a ‘natural experiment’ in the validity of economic models. Those models that failed to foresee something this momentous may need changing in one way or another. And the change is likely to come from those models (if they exist) which did lead their users to anticipate instability. The plan of this paper, therefore, is to document such anticipations, to identify the underlying models, to compare them to models in use by official forecasters and policy makers, and to draw out the implications.

There is an immediate link to accounting, organizations and society. Previewing the results, it will be found that ‘accounting’ (or flow-of-funds) models of the economy are the shared mindset of those analysts who worried about a credit-cum-debt crisis followed by recession, before the policy and academic establishment did. They are ‘accounting’ models in the sense that they represent households’, firms’ and governments’ balance sheets and their interrelations. If society’s wealth and debt levels reflected in balance sheets are among the determinants of its growth sustainability and its financial stability, such models are likely to timely signal threats of instability.&lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s the link:
http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/15892/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This economist Dirk Bezemer rounded up the analysis of the people who DID see this coming and found the common factors in their methodology. Here&#8217;s an excerpt:</p>
<p><i>The credit crisis and ensuing recession may be viewed as a ‘natural experiment’ in the validity of economic models. Those models that failed to foresee something this momentous may need changing in one way or another. And the change is likely to come from those models (if they exist) which did lead their users to anticipate instability. The plan of this paper, therefore, is to document such anticipations, to identify the underlying models, to compare them to models in use by official forecasters and policy makers, and to draw out the implications.</p>
<p>There is an immediate link to accounting, organizations and society. Previewing the results, it will be found that ‘accounting’ (or flow-of-funds) models of the economy are the shared mindset of those analysts who worried about a credit-cum-debt crisis followed by recession, before the policy and academic establishment did. They are ‘accounting’ models in the sense that they represent households’, firms’ and governments’ balance sheets and their interrelations. If society’s wealth and debt levels reflected in balance sheets are among the determinants of its growth sustainability and its financial stability, such models are likely to timely signal threats of instability.</i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link:<br />
<a href="http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/15892/" rel="nofollow">http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/15892/</a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/15/is-it-possible-to-detect-bubbles/#comment-20263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this method compatible with the existence of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcoJt2KLC9k&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oil price shocks as predicted by Shai Agassi&lt;/a&gt;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this method compatible with the existence of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcoJt2KLC9k" rel="nofollow">oil price shocks as predicted by Shai Agassi</a>?</p>
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