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		<title>By: S&#38;P Revises Expectations for the Economy Downward &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-20857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S&#38;P Revises Expectations for the Economy Downward &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] previously discussed why I think this is weird, and there are a number of good comments to that earlier post. My theory [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] previously discussed why I think this is weird, and there are a number of good comments to that earlier post. My theory [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Gold Standard &#187; Increasing loss estimates</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19498</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Gold Standard &#187; Increasing loss estimates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to Baseline Scenario and Calculated Risk, I came across this brief report from Standard &amp; Poor&#8217;s that simply [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19406</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently banks have decided they&#039;re not accepting California&#039;s IOUs.  They are a BBB rated debtor.  I had a friend (a friend mind you) that used to give IOUs to neighborhood stores when he bought wine and beer in China.  I guess they thought he was a Triple A kind of guy.  Life is so unfair huh?  Here&#039;s the link to the story on the Calculated Risk blog and originally taken from WSJ
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/07/banks-will-stop-accepting-california.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently banks have decided they&#8217;re not accepting California&#8217;s IOUs.  They are a BBB rated debtor.  I had a friend (a friend mind you) that used to give IOUs to neighborhood stores when he bought wine and beer in China.  I guess they thought he was a Triple A kind of guy.  Life is so unfair huh?  Here&#8217;s the link to the story on the Calculated Risk blog and originally taken from WSJ<br />
<a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/07/banks-will-stop-accepting-california.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/07/banks-will-stop-accepting-california.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the later hypothesis (stretching out write downs for image reasons) is the dominate influence here. However I think there are two other influences that you omitted. 1. The rating agencies only regrade securities periodically after a formal review process. 2. The ratings become something of a self fulfilling prophecy given the incestuous nature of the too-big-to-fail financial companies. The thought process being... the longer we can stretch out the downgrade, the more time we can give the Banks to hedge their loses, and thus minimize our ratings error.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the later hypothesis (stretching out write downs for image reasons) is the dominate influence here. However I think there are two other influences that you omitted. 1. The rating agencies only regrade securities periodically after a formal review process. 2. The ratings become something of a self fulfilling prophecy given the incestuous nature of the too-big-to-fail financial companies. The thought process being&#8230; the longer we can stretch out the downgrade, the more time we can give the Banks to hedge their loses, and thus minimize our ratings error.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Greenfest</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19383</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Greenfest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all know that rating agencies have been so historically poor at performing ratings, so why would anyone actually follow what they speculate about.  A rating analyst is most often someone who couldn’t get a job on the Street and receive millions, so they lived vicariously.  Good ratings when they were taken out to expensive lunches and given court side seats; and, now lesser rating to show the Street who’s Boss.  Just another smoke and mirror joke from New York.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know that rating agencies have been so historically poor at performing ratings, so why would anyone actually follow what they speculate about.  A rating analyst is most often someone who couldn’t get a job on the Street and receive millions, so they lived vicariously.  Good ratings when they were taken out to expensive lunches and given court side seats; and, now lesser rating to show the Street who’s Boss.  Just another smoke and mirror joke from New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19372</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I forgot to mention, that Larry Summers came up with his new theory on credit ratings (&quot;They&#039;ll Get It Right Next Time&quot;), during a moment of clairvoyance while talking to female math professors at the University of Harvard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention, that Larry Summers came up with his new theory on credit ratings (&#8220;They&#8217;ll Get It Right Next Time&#8221;), during a moment of clairvoyance while talking to female math professors at the University of Harvard.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19371</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The whole thing is silly and an exercise in futility until they change the incentives structure for the ratings agencies.  You shouldn&#039;t believe ANYTHING the ratings agencies write now anyway.  Unless you believe in the Larry Summers&#039; New (and advanced) Credit Ratings Theory.  Larry Summers has a new, ADVANCED theory on credit ratings called &quot;They&#039;ll Get It Right Next Time&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole thing is silly and an exercise in futility until they change the incentives structure for the ratings agencies.  You shouldn&#8217;t believe ANYTHING the ratings agencies write now anyway.  Unless you believe in the Larry Summers&#8217; New (and advanced) Credit Ratings Theory.  Larry Summers has a new, ADVANCED theory on credit ratings called &#8220;They&#8217;ll Get It Right Next Time&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19370</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The original idea of credit ratings was so people could be well AWARE of the risks they were taking and therefor make better decisions about what to invest in.  NOW the credit ratings agencies&#039; job is to sell packaged securities stuffed with garbage.  The only reason to buy a ratings agency publication now is if you&#039;re short on toilet paper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original idea of credit ratings was so people could be well AWARE of the risks they were taking and therefor make better decisions about what to invest in.  NOW the credit ratings agencies&#8217; job is to sell packaged securities stuffed with garbage.  The only reason to buy a ratings agency publication now is if you&#8217;re short on toilet paper.</p>
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		<title>By: pete muldoon</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pete muldoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s possible that Q is right, in that they needed a downward revision because of the latest reports, and they&#039;re also trying to spread the corrections over a few months. It&#039;s also possible that they&#039;re writing ratings down on pieces of paper and putting them in a hat, and passing it around the office when it comes time to assign a grade. Does anyone really think Moody&#039;s has some special insight into what&#039;s going to happen in the next year?

None of this would matter, of course, except that the ratings are used for capital ratio requirements. But I think we need to do away with the ratings, as they are just another way to game the system.

If we need to be able to rate bonds in order to allow higher leverage, but can&#039;t find a way to rate bonds, then we need to reduce the allowable leverage.

A false sense of security is very dangerous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible that Q is right, in that they needed a downward revision because of the latest reports, and they&#8217;re also trying to spread the corrections over a few months. It&#8217;s also possible that they&#8217;re writing ratings down on pieces of paper and putting them in a hat, and passing it around the office when it comes time to assign a grade. Does anyone really think Moody&#8217;s has some special insight into what&#8217;s going to happen in the next year?</p>
<p>None of this would matter, of course, except that the ratings are used for capital ratio requirements. But I think we need to do away with the ratings, as they are just another way to game the system.</p>
<p>If we need to be able to rate bonds in order to allow higher leverage, but can&#8217;t find a way to rate bonds, then we need to reduce the allowable leverage.</p>
<p>A false sense of security is very dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Evening Briefing for July 6th &#124; MORTGAGES</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evening Briefing for July 6th &#124; MORTGAGES]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8212; Thoughts on ratings agencies and implicit economic forecasts.. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Min</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Min]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That being said, I expect that the main reason is as q says: The new economic data are surprising.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That being said, I expect that the main reason is as q says: The new economic data are surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Min</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Min]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But today I had a thought about them: these are forecasts, which means that they should not get worse just because the economy is getting worse. Forecasts should only change when there is new news that affects expectations about the future.&quot;

Like stock prices, aren&#039;t forecasts almost random walks? ;)

Seriously, there are many ways that a forecast can come about. There is a cloud of uncertainty. The larger the cloud, the less certain the forecast, and the closer the forecast approaches the mean, in general. (If there is no cloud of uncertainty, there is no &quot;regression towards the mean&quot;.) As the time of the forecast approaches, the cloud becomes smaller. This is the case, even if the current data is close to previous expectations. It is not too surprising, then, if a new forecast incorporating new data is further from the mean than previous forecasts, even if the new data is not surprising.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But today I had a thought about them: these are forecasts, which means that they should not get worse just because the economy is getting worse. Forecasts should only change when there is new news that affects expectations about the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like stock prices, aren&#8217;t forecasts almost random walks? ;)</p>
<p>Seriously, there are many ways that a forecast can come about. There is a cloud of uncertainty. The larger the cloud, the less certain the forecast, and the closer the forecast approaches the mean, in general. (If there is no cloud of uncertainty, there is no &#8220;regression towards the mean&#8221;.) As the time of the forecast approaches, the cloud becomes smaller. This is the case, even if the current data is close to previous expectations. It is not too surprising, then, if a new forecast incorporating new data is further from the mean than previous forecasts, even if the new data is not surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Bond Girl</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bond Girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with q.  My experience with ratings agencies is that they typically react to events rather than anticipate them.  This is one of the many reasons that investors should never make an investment decision based on how something is rated.

To be fair, however, if the rating agencies actually had spines and amended ratings when they thought something would change versus when they could demonstrate that something had changed, they would probably be criticized for that too (especially if what they forecast did not materialize).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with q.  My experience with ratings agencies is that they typically react to events rather than anticipate them.  This is one of the many reasons that investors should never make an investment decision based on how something is rated.</p>
<p>To be fair, however, if the rating agencies actually had spines and amended ratings when they thought something would change versus when they could demonstrate that something had changed, they would probably be criticized for that too (especially if what they forecast did not materialize).</p>
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		<title>By: Tippy Golden</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tippy Golden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello,

I&#039;ve started a Blog with a small collection of short stories called Baseline Fables. The stories are inspired by Baseline Scenario.

The Blog address is: http://www.tippygolden.wordpress.com

Hope it&#039;s OK to post this here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve started a Blog with a small collection of short stories called Baseline Fables. The stories are inspired by Baseline Scenario.</p>
<p>The Blog address is: <a href="http://www.tippygolden.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tippygolden.wordpress.com</a></p>
<p>Hope it&#8217;s OK to post this here.</p>
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		<title>By: q</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/06/the-mystery-of-rating-agencies/#comment-19357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[q]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[S&amp;P and the other ratings agencies generally lag the macroeconomic situation.

There is no pricing mechanism (ie no market) that would make them &#039;price in&#039; anything.  

What probably happened is that housing prices fell farther, and unemployment went higher, than they expected since the last time they did projections.  They wouldn&#039;t be the only ones who underestimated these things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S&amp;P and the other ratings agencies generally lag the macroeconomic situation.</p>
<p>There is no pricing mechanism (ie no market) that would make them &#8216;price in&#8217; anything.  </p>
<p>What probably happened is that housing prices fell farther, and unemployment went higher, than they expected since the last time they did projections.  They wouldn&#8217;t be the only ones who underestimated these things.</p>
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