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		<title>By: Recent law grad</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19376</link>
		<dc:creator>Recent law grad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James see: 

Smiley v. Citibank, 517 U.S. 735 (1996). Fees (though not the exact ones you mentioned) were included within the definition of interest under the national bank act by OCC regulation. The BOA is probably headquartered in a state that allows such fees. Therefore, the banks can charge you a fee that is against your state&#039;s law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James see: </p>
<p>Smiley v. Citibank, 517 U.S. 735 (1996). Fees (though not the exact ones you mentioned) were included within the definition of interest under the national bank act by OCC regulation. The BOA is probably headquartered in a state that allows such fees. Therefore, the banks can charge you a fee that is against your state&#8217;s law.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill S.</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19278</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The easy answer is that these banks charge the nuisance fees because they can, and most customers whine but don&#039;t do anything about it. There may be some other feature about the bank that has a higher benefit than the cost of the nuisance.

However, if customers regularly left, and moved on to the small local bank that didn&#039;t charge the fees, then the big banks would change their policies.

Many folks today want &quot;someone else&quot; to fix the problem, whether the problem is bank fees, bank size, politicians too long in office, whatever. The more we expect someone else to fix the problem the more passive we become and the process continues.

I bank with a mid-sized bank with few fees and excellent service and I have been with them for many years. I stay away from the big banks because of their poor service. 

If all of the retail customers of the &quot;too big to fail&quot; banks left it would send a signal. They probably would not go out of business, but I&#039;m sure they would notice the trend. And banks with great service would be rewarded for offering great service.

Golly, wouldn&#039;t that be capitalism at work?

It&#039;s just like voting. My one single vote out of millions is probably insignificant. But the combination of those millions makes it significant. That&#039;s why I have never missed an election.

Or, you can just whine about poor service and hope someone else does something about it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The easy answer is that these banks charge the nuisance fees because they can, and most customers whine but don&#8217;t do anything about it. There may be some other feature about the bank that has a higher benefit than the cost of the nuisance.</p>
<p>However, if customers regularly left, and moved on to the small local bank that didn&#8217;t charge the fees, then the big banks would change their policies.</p>
<p>Many folks today want &#8220;someone else&#8221; to fix the problem, whether the problem is bank fees, bank size, politicians too long in office, whatever. The more we expect someone else to fix the problem the more passive we become and the process continues.</p>
<p>I bank with a mid-sized bank with few fees and excellent service and I have been with them for many years. I stay away from the big banks because of their poor service. </p>
<p>If all of the retail customers of the &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; banks left it would send a signal. They probably would not go out of business, but I&#8217;m sure they would notice the trend. And banks with great service would be rewarded for offering great service.</p>
<p>Golly, wouldn&#8217;t that be capitalism at work?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just like voting. My one single vote out of millions is probably insignificant. But the combination of those millions makes it significant. That&#8217;s why I have never missed an election.</p>
<p>Or, you can just whine about poor service and hope someone else does something about it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19153</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careful.  There are several Bank of the West, and one Banker&#039;s Bank of the West in Colorado.  I suggest Hotei confirm which one he has moved to before taking any drastic action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful.  There are several Bank of the West, and one Banker&#8217;s Bank of the West in Colorado.  I suggest Hotei confirm which one he has moved to before taking any drastic action.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19151</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>National banks: https://appsec.helpwithmybank.gov/olcc_form/

Everyone else: https://www2.fdic.gov/starsmail/index.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National banks: <a href="https://appsec.helpwithmybank.gov/olcc_form/" rel="nofollow">https://appsec.helpwithmybank.gov/olcc_form/</a></p>
<p>Everyone else: <a href="https://www2.fdic.gov/starsmail/index.asp" rel="nofollow">https://www2.fdic.gov/starsmail/index.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: q</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19127</link>
		<dc:creator>q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At year-end 2008, Bankers&#039; Bank of the West had a risk-based capital ratio of 12.4 percent, high enough to be considered very well capitalized.

&quot;We needed an insurance policy to continue to provide the products and services we provide to commercial banks,&quot; said Bill Mitchell, CEO of Bankers&#039; Bank of the West.

Mitchell&#039;s bank serves 350 community banks in 11 states by buying their loans and managing lines of credit from the Federal Reserve. Yet it went ahead with a government investment, obtaining $12.64 million from the Treasury earlier this month.

The bank issued the government preferred stock that pays 5 percent interest, plus another batch of preferred stock, equal to 5 percent of the amount requested, that pays 9 percent.

Considering the costs of the stock, and the fact that the interest it&#039;s paying the Treasury is not tax-deductible, Bankers&#039; Bank of the West figures it&#039;ll pay $4 million in interest over the next five years for participating.

&quot;It&#039;s extremely expensive capital, but we did this as a good-faith investment for our banks,&quot; Mitchell said. &quot;The government will do very well on this program.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At year-end 2008, Bankers&#8217; Bank of the West had a risk-based capital ratio of 12.4 percent, high enough to be considered very well capitalized.</p>
<p>&#8220;We needed an insurance policy to continue to provide the products and services we provide to commercial banks,&#8221; said Bill Mitchell, CEO of Bankers&#8217; Bank of the West.</p>
<p>Mitchell&#8217;s bank serves 350 community banks in 11 states by buying their loans and managing lines of credit from the Federal Reserve. Yet it went ahead with a government investment, obtaining $12.64 million from the Treasury earlier this month.</p>
<p>The bank issued the government preferred stock that pays 5 percent interest, plus another batch of preferred stock, equal to 5 percent of the amount requested, that pays 9 percent.</p>
<p>Considering the costs of the stock, and the fact that the interest it&#8217;s paying the Treasury is not tax-deductible, Bankers&#8217; Bank of the West figures it&#8217;ll pay $4 million in interest over the next five years for participating.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s extremely expensive capital, but we did this as a good-faith investment for our banks,&#8221; Mitchell said. &#8220;The government will do very well on this program.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19100</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a heads up to those of you looking to change to a credit union:

I was with Wamu when they failed; and Chase bought them.  Because of bad experiences with Chase back in the late 1990&#039;s, when they credited a payment on a credit card one day late, and hit me with late fees and interest (the balance was paid in full for $15, the fees were something like $29 late fee at the time, quite usurious, and they would not drop it, so I dropped them.) I decided to close the account.

Or so I thought...

Apparently, there was some double-secret paperwork I didn&#039;t file, which allowed Chase to assess low balance fees, then NSF fees on the low balance fees.  I&#039;ve since hear this is not an uncommon practice when people close accounts...  I ended up being dunned by a collection agency for $135.

When you close your account, make certain it is closed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a heads up to those of you looking to change to a credit union:</p>
<p>I was with Wamu when they failed; and Chase bought them.  Because of bad experiences with Chase back in the late 1990&#8217;s, when they credited a payment on a credit card one day late, and hit me with late fees and interest (the balance was paid in full for $15, the fees were something like $29 late fee at the time, quite usurious, and they would not drop it, so I dropped them.) I decided to close the account.</p>
<p>Or so I thought&#8230;</p>
<p>Apparently, there was some double-secret paperwork I didn&#8217;t file, which allowed Chase to assess low balance fees, then NSF fees on the low balance fees.  I&#8217;ve since hear this is not an uncommon practice when people close accounts&#8230;  I ended up being dunned by a collection agency for $135.</p>
<p>When you close your account, make certain it is closed!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19082</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great George Carlin clip. It was taken off youtube by TimeWarner Group but found it again on this site... This is gospel
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4f3_1194615396</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great George Carlin clip. It was taken off youtube by TimeWarner Group but found it again on this site&#8230; This is gospel<br />
<a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4f3_1194615396" rel="nofollow">http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4f3_1194615396</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19081</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or as they say: What do you care about the people, just take care of yourself and your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or as they say: What do you care about the people, just take care of yourself and your family.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19078</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hit with a $38 overdraft fee triggered from a debt card with Compass Bank. It was .28 Cents over and I knew I was close, ran home and checked my account then ran to the bank with $5 to cover it. My cash posted up immediately, the transaction in question posted 3 days later. 3 days later the showed my account at a -$100 something. I told them to kiss certain parts of my body. I&#039;m with ugh, Chase now and happy as they let me start a saving account that covered overdrafts. At Compass you can&#039;t even start a savings account with less than $500. Seriously, I have nothing but animosity for preditors and since I don&#039;t care about my credit due to health issues, denied insurance claims (pre-existing condition) I just go off on them. Compass will never get a penny of that usery fee. People just need to stand up and tell them NO WAY IN HELL. That includes judges too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hit with a $38 overdraft fee triggered from a debt card with Compass Bank. It was .28 Cents over and I knew I was close, ran home and checked my account then ran to the bank with $5 to cover it. My cash posted up immediately, the transaction in question posted 3 days later. 3 days later the showed my account at a -$100 something. I told them to kiss certain parts of my body. I&#8217;m with ugh, Chase now and happy as they let me start a saving account that covered overdrafts. At Compass you can&#8217;t even start a savings account with less than $500. Seriously, I have nothing but animosity for preditors and since I don&#8217;t care about my credit due to health issues, denied insurance claims (pre-existing condition) I just go off on them. Compass will never get a penny of that usery fee. People just need to stand up and tell them NO WAY IN HELL. That includes judges too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19076</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid you hit the nail right on the head. And for a country that is in this mess because we put so much effort into self interest, fear of where the next buck is coming from is causing all kinds of wacko behavior</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid you hit the nail right on the head. And for a country that is in this mess because we put so much effort into self interest, fear of where the next buck is coming from is causing all kinds of wacko behavior</p>
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		<title>By: Bayard</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19051</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, well, that&#039;s the way they will pad their balance sheets.  And it will continue.  And it will continue some more.  And no red flags go up because everyone in power is so afraid of clamping down.  And, I might point out, you are seeing how regulation will never control insideous greed.  BOA and all of the others just don&#039;t care.  There is no morality there.  It&#039;s like having hundreds of Macciavelli&#039;s running our lives to our detriment.  The climate has changed in many ways, but for the oligarchs, things are more the same than ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well, that&#8217;s the way they will pad their balance sheets.  And it will continue.  And it will continue some more.  And no red flags go up because everyone in power is so afraid of clamping down.  And, I might point out, you are seeing how regulation will never control insideous greed.  BOA and all of the others just don&#8217;t care.  There is no morality there.  It&#8217;s like having hundreds of Macciavelli&#8217;s running our lives to our detriment.  The climate has changed in many ways, but for the oligarchs, things are more the same than ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19043</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to have an account with BofA, but I was annoyed by the fees they charged and their arrogant/incompetent service. I closed all my accounts, and am now a happy customer of my local credit union (which, incidentally, didn&#039;t need any taxpayer bailout). If everyone did the same, those idiots would be out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to have an account with BofA, but I was annoyed by the fees they charged and their arrogant/incompetent service. I closed all my accounts, and am now a happy customer of my local credit union (which, incidentally, didn&#8217;t need any taxpayer bailout). If everyone did the same, those idiots would be out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: Manshu</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19029</link>
		<dc:creator>Manshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was hilarious James :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was hilarious James :)</p>
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		<title>By: hotei</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19021</link>
		<dc:creator>hotei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the solution for me was to close the business accounts i had with b of a.

i have decided i will not place any funds with any bank that accepted tarp money. if everyone else did the same.... this particular problem would be solved.

i am very happy with bank of the west, where i moved my funds. as james mentioned, they dont charge me for exceptional service and special requests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the solution for me was to close the business accounts i had with b of a.</p>
<p>i have decided i will not place any funds with any bank that accepted tarp money. if everyone else did the same&#8230;. this particular problem would be solved.</p>
<p>i am very happy with bank of the west, where i moved my funds. as james mentioned, they dont charge me for exceptional service and special requests.</p>
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		<title>By: CrashX</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/30/benefits-of-size/#comment-19016</link>
		<dc:creator>CrashX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you raise hell at your local credit union to make certain they&#039;re doing everything possible to punish this system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you raise hell at your local credit union to make certain they&#8217;re doing everything possible to punish this system?</p>
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