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		<title>By: Min</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18652</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Min]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@peatey

Thanks again. :) 

BTW, I usually use a different search engine, which did not have this URL in the first pages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@peatey</p>
<p>Thanks again. :) </p>
<p>BTW, I usually use a different search engine, which did not have this URL in the first pages.</p>
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		<title>By: peatey</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18596</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peatey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No problems, :)

The answer is in the #2 result in the google search:

http://www.slate.com/id/2060047]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problems, :)</p>
<p>The answer is in the #2 result in the google search:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2060047" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2060047</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bayard</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bayard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a fantastically ridiculous debate.  There are so many books which have been written which essentially prove the effects of campaign contributions, both hard and soft.

I would point out that, according to polls, somewhere between 62% and 75% of both patients and physicians favor a single payer universal health plan, but it is hard to find it being seriously discussed anywhere on Capital Hill or in the popular media.  The effect there, and in the financial markets is so patently obvious, and the &quot;soft&quot; disinformation programs are so strong, that you just can&#039;t miss the effect.

No one will ever convince me that these contributions are made on the basis the the contributor strongly feels that the receiving party is incredibly well disposed to govern with superior general effectiveness.

All the more reasons to have publicly financed political campaigns!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fantastically ridiculous debate.  There are so many books which have been written which essentially prove the effects of campaign contributions, both hard and soft.</p>
<p>I would point out that, according to polls, somewhere between 62% and 75% of both patients and physicians favor a single payer universal health plan, but it is hard to find it being seriously discussed anywhere on Capital Hill or in the popular media.  The effect there, and in the financial markets is so patently obvious, and the &#8220;soft&#8221; disinformation programs are so strong, that you just can&#8217;t miss the effect.</p>
<p>No one will ever convince me that these contributions are made on the basis the the contributor strongly feels that the receiving party is incredibly well disposed to govern with superior general effectiveness.</p>
<p>All the more reasons to have publicly financed political campaigns!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dorsch</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18519</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Dorsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[maybe the research fellow is being lobbied too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe the research fellow is being lobbied too.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the intial point is the most important one.  Some guy doings pretty basic statistics work with public data post an interesting model on his blog.  Of course the standard list of shortcomings exist.  I&#039;m willing to bet he spent three days tops on a toy model which adds to the national debate.  Nate Silver won&#039;t be publishing in the Journal of Economic Perspectives any time soon.

The beauty of the blog is you can post something unpolished but interesting for wider consumption.  This could be theory, data or a simple model.  Other can consume, discuss and expand on those ideas.  Sometimes it is best to leave perfected papers for the AER.  A second year grad student can tear almost any model to shreds, it takes a few more years to appreciate the insights of a simple model despite its limitation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the intial point is the most important one.  Some guy doings pretty basic statistics work with public data post an interesting model on his blog.  Of course the standard list of shortcomings exist.  I&#8217;m willing to bet he spent three days tops on a toy model which adds to the national debate.  Nate Silver won&#8217;t be publishing in the Journal of Economic Perspectives any time soon.</p>
<p>The beauty of the blog is you can post something unpolished but interesting for wider consumption.  This could be theory, data or a simple model.  Other can consume, discuss and expand on those ideas.  Sometimes it is best to leave perfected papers for the AER.  A second year grad student can tear almost any model to shreds, it takes a few more years to appreciate the insights of a simple model despite its limitation.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Billy, Mental Widget</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18485</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle Billy, Mental Widget]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could some bitter soul please write an in-depth article with details on how to buy influence.  Actual case-studies, please.  Don&#039;t need to name names.  Disenfranchised campaign workers, please step up and give us an earful.  Maybe this has been done already and we just need a retrospective?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could some bitter soul please write an in-depth article with details on how to buy influence.  Actual case-studies, please.  Don&#8217;t need to name names.  Disenfranchised campaign workers, please step up and give us an earful.  Maybe this has been done already and we just need a retrospective?</p>
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		<title>By: Min</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18482</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Min]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@peatey

Thanks for the URL. Now could you please explain what DW-NOMINATE scores mean? Many thanks. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@peatey</p>
<p>Thanks for the URL. Now could you please explain what DW-NOMINATE scores mean? Many thanks. :)</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18478</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StatsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who is arguing that money has no impact?  However, PAC money is a small fraction of the money being spent, and of the influence being peddled.  I very much doubt that cutting out PAC money alone would have swing 9 votes in the Senate in favor of the public option.  Nate&#039;s model overestimates its impact.

Having said that, I am rarely accused of being funny or entertaining.  So, er, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is arguing that money has no impact?  However, PAC money is a small fraction of the money being spent, and of the influence being peddled.  I very much doubt that cutting out PAC money alone would have swing 9 votes in the Senate in favor of the public option.  Nate&#8217;s model overestimates its impact.</p>
<p>Having said that, I am rarely accused of being funny or entertaining.  So, er, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18474</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StatsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really not disagreeing with you - you are certainly correct that money is a signal for other types of influence, some of which are unmeasured and probably not ethical.  (But then, it&#039;s really these _other_ things that are driving influence, and are inflating the estimate on legal PAC contributions.)

But Nate&#039;s model is plainly bad.  It is almost certainly massively overestimating the impact of PAC contributions.  And it implies that eliminating PAC contributions would by itself massively swing senate votes in favor of a public option.  (Seriously, a 60% projected swing for Baucus?)

On the other hand, the Ansolabehere et. al. paper has some issues.  At a &quot;crude&quot; level, the notion that campaign contributions are a consumption good does not stand well against the (so far journalistic) data suggesting a sharp increase in lobbying expenses resulting from the Stimulus Package.

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/06/09/dc_sees_sharp_spike_in_lobbying_costs_by_mass_firms/

I also take issue with Ansolabehere et. al.&#039;s argument that just because most political donations come from individuals indicates that those donations are a consumption good (e.g. an expression of ideology, rather than something intended to have an effect).  That effect might be ALTRUISTIC, in that I do not anticipate capturing the benefits of my donation, but most donors surely intend those donations to have an impact on likelihood of a candidate to win.

The Public Choice doctrine has a very narrow understanding of individual utility (it&#039;s entirely economic), and thus gives a lot of weight to issues such as collective action.  Public Choice theory, of course, has a really hard time explaining how Obama managed to pull in &gt;300 million dollars from small/medium donors, many of whom (especially wealthier educated folks) stand to pay a higher share of taxes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really not disagreeing with you &#8211; you are certainly correct that money is a signal for other types of influence, some of which are unmeasured and probably not ethical.  (But then, it&#8217;s really these _other_ things that are driving influence, and are inflating the estimate on legal PAC contributions.)</p>
<p>But Nate&#8217;s model is plainly bad.  It is almost certainly massively overestimating the impact of PAC contributions.  And it implies that eliminating PAC contributions would by itself massively swing senate votes in favor of a public option.  (Seriously, a 60% projected swing for Baucus?)</p>
<p>On the other hand, the Ansolabehere et. al. paper has some issues.  At a &#8220;crude&#8221; level, the notion that campaign contributions are a consumption good does not stand well against the (so far journalistic) data suggesting a sharp increase in lobbying expenses resulting from the Stimulus Package.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/06/09/dc_sees_sharp_spike_in_lobbying_costs_by_mass_firms/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/06/09/dc_sees_sharp_spike_in_lobbying_costs_by_mass_firms/</a></p>
<p>I also take issue with Ansolabehere et. al.&#8217;s argument that just because most political donations come from individuals indicates that those donations are a consumption good (e.g. an expression of ideology, rather than something intended to have an effect).  That effect might be ALTRUISTIC, in that I do not anticipate capturing the benefits of my donation, but most donors surely intend those donations to have an impact on likelihood of a candidate to win.</p>
<p>The Public Choice doctrine has a very narrow understanding of individual utility (it&#8217;s entirely economic), and thus gives a lot of weight to issues such as collective action.  Public Choice theory, of course, has a really hard time explaining how Obama managed to pull in &gt;300 million dollars from small/medium donors, many of whom (especially wealthier educated folks) stand to pay a higher share of taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: peatey</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18467</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peatey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come now, this is 2009; complaining you don&#039;t know what something is without having googled it is just plain lazy (it&#039;s the #1 result when you just google &quot;DW-NOMINATE&quot;).

http://voteview.com/dwnomin.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come now, this is 2009; complaining you don&#8217;t know what something is without having googled it is just plain lazy (it&#8217;s the #1 result when you just google &#8220;DW-NOMINATE&#8221;).</p>
<p><a href="http://voteview.com/dwnomin.htm" rel="nofollow">http://voteview.com/dwnomin.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[StatsGuy, you know I hesitate to quarrel with you because I agree with 99% of your posts, and I can&#039;t find any falsehoods in your argument.  But would you deny the very good chance, that these lobbyists are slipping an awful lot of money under the table (literally cash in envelopes, which is the way smart people do it because cash can&#039;t be traced) to these Congressman?? Not to mention future jobs promised after they leave Congress, jobs to the 3 interns Congressman X is banging, etc....etc.  I don&#039;t see a lot of difference between the campaign contributions and the lobbying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StatsGuy, you know I hesitate to quarrel with you because I agree with 99% of your posts, and I can&#8217;t find any falsehoods in your argument.  But would you deny the very good chance, that these lobbyists are slipping an awful lot of money under the table (literally cash in envelopes, which is the way smart people do it because cash can&#8217;t be traced) to these Congressman?? Not to mention future jobs promised after they leave Congress, jobs to the 3 interns Congressman X is banging, etc&#8230;.etc.  I don&#8217;t see a lot of difference between the campaign contributions and the lobbying.</p>
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		<title>By: Beezer</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18461</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beezer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Campaign contributions and K Street are not different groups.  Just different wallets in different pockets in the same pants.

Following campaign contributions is a pretty good &quot;tell&quot; on where K Street&#039;s going too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Campaign contributions and K Street are not different groups.  Just different wallets in different pockets in the same pants.</p>
<p>Following campaign contributions is a pretty good &#8220;tell&#8221; on where K Street&#8217;s going too.</p>
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		<title>By: Beezer</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18459</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beezer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does lobbying money matter?  Don&#039;t know.  Too bad  Spirou Agnew isn&#039;t still around.  We could ask him. 

This entire discussion about whether or not K Street matters is kind of funny.  Maybe I should be more diplomatic.  Not funny, entertaining.

When the vote&#039;s going to be close moving one vote matters a great deal.  And the &quot;lobbying&quot; money being spent might just be a nice job for a nephew.  

People arguing that all this lucre sloshing around D.C. has little effect are funny.  Ooops.  Entertaining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does lobbying money matter?  Don&#8217;t know.  Too bad  Spirou Agnew isn&#8217;t still around.  We could ask him. </p>
<p>This entire discussion about whether or not K Street matters is kind of funny.  Maybe I should be more diplomatic.  Not funny, entertaining.</p>
<p>When the vote&#8217;s going to be close moving one vote matters a great deal.  And the &#8220;lobbying&#8221; money being spent might just be a nice job for a nephew.  </p>
<p>People arguing that all this lucre sloshing around D.C. has little effect are funny.  Ooops.  Entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: John K.</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John K.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By less than an MDE, I mean greater than.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By less than an MDE, I mean greater than.</p>
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		<title>By: John K.</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/23/modeling-everything/#comment-18440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John K.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not exactly true. If the study is designed to be of a sufficiently great statistical power (N sufficiently large, controls variables or stratification sufficiently well applied) it can rule out effects less than the minimum detectable effect (see Bloom, 1995).

But I would like to add that there are papers that assess roll call votes and come up with positive results on campaign contributions, e.g. Brooks, Cameron, and Carter (1998), Gordon (2001), Fellowes and Wolf (2004). Most political scientists think the issue was settled in the 1980s because they were trained in the 1980s and stopped reading then.

The advances in the literature owe to better measures of contributions and measurement. Silver does not add to the debate on measurement, and that is his real sin in this case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly true. If the study is designed to be of a sufficiently great statistical power (N sufficiently large, controls variables or stratification sufficiently well applied) it can rule out effects less than the minimum detectable effect (see Bloom, 1995).</p>
<p>But I would like to add that there are papers that assess roll call votes and come up with positive results on campaign contributions, e.g. Brooks, Cameron, and Carter (1998), Gordon (2001), Fellowes and Wolf (2004). Most political scientists think the issue was settled in the 1980s because they were trained in the 1980s and stopped reading then.</p>
<p>The advances in the literature owe to better measures of contributions and measurement. Silver does not add to the debate on measurement, and that is his real sin in this case.</p>
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