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		<title>By: The Baseline Scenario &#124; EthicalMarkets.com</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Baseline Scenario &#124; EthicalMarkets.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I would have thought that the credit rating agencies would be at least one group that everyone could agree to throw under the bus. We know that the powerful chieftains of Wall Street are trying to pin the credit crisis on rating agencies – see page 3 of JPMorgan’s blame-shifting attempt, for example. Yet the new Financial Regulatory Reform plan has almost nothing on the subject. Apparently the rating agencies, too, are Too Big to Fail. Read more&#8230; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I would have thought that the credit rating agencies would be at least one group that everyone could agree to throw under the bus. We know that the powerful chieftains of Wall Street are trying to pin the credit crisis on rating agencies – see page 3 of JPMorgan’s blame-shifting attempt, for example. Yet the new Financial Regulatory Reform plan has almost nothing on the subject. Apparently the rating agencies, too, are Too Big to Fail. Read more&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Nowakowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Nowakowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Ratings Agencies are supported by governments because regulators defer to them in such areas as risk management (e.g. for state pensions investments), municipal bond ratings, and capital requirements.

However, the Ratings Agencies defy any attempts to be regulated themselves, shielding themselves using a defense of &quot;Free Speech&quot; protections.

This is a toxic mix: either no official status and clarity that they are offering their opinions after being paid by their issuers [as NYT puts it here, http://tinyurl.com/nytrate, &quot;Four stars, two thumbs up, a must read: Rave reviews like those might seem a bit suspect if they were paid for by the restaurateurs, movie makers and authors being reviewed&quot;), or official status and sensible regulatory requirements.

Finally, there is irony that professional investors actually love ratings? Why? It is the biggest A$$-covering operation in finance. I bought a load of crap bonds, waa, but it isn&#039;t my fault, Moody&#039;s said they were fine!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ratings Agencies are supported by governments because regulators defer to them in such areas as risk management (e.g. for state pensions investments), municipal bond ratings, and capital requirements.</p>
<p>However, the Ratings Agencies defy any attempts to be regulated themselves, shielding themselves using a defense of &#8220;Free Speech&#8221; protections.</p>
<p>This is a toxic mix: either no official status and clarity that they are offering their opinions after being paid by their issuers [as NYT puts it here, <a href="http://tinyurl.com/nytrate" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/nytrate</a>, &#8220;Four stars, two thumbs up, a must read: Rave reviews like those might seem a bit suspect if they were paid for by the restaurateurs, movie makers and authors being reviewed&#8221;), or official status and sensible regulatory requirements.</p>
<p>Finally, there is irony that professional investors actually love ratings? Why? It is the biggest A$$-covering operation in finance. I bought a load of crap bonds, waa, but it isn&#8217;t my fault, Moody&#8217;s said they were fine!</p>
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		<title>By: q</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18262</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Per,

agree with you re: basel ii and capital requirements.

another piece of the puzzle is the fact that many leveraged finance vehicles have ratings triggers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per,</p>
<p>agree with you re: basel ii and capital requirements.</p>
<p>another piece of the puzzle is the fact that many leveraged finance vehicles have ratings triggers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18131</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bond Girl,

Of course ratings have plenty of subjective elements. Rating agencies are quite clear about that.

As for CDS spreads, they are much more volatile than ratings and have different uses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bond Girl,</p>
<p>Of course ratings have plenty of subjective elements. Rating agencies are quite clear about that.</p>
<p>As for CDS spreads, they are much more volatile than ratings and have different uses.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Emiliano,

Not sure what point you are trying to make.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emiliano,</p>
<p>Not sure what point you are trying to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ted,

That&#039;s not the only counterindicator. Not only did the issuer poay model not create any probelms in the past, it didn&#039;t create any problems in other rating segments, like corporates or sovereigns. It&#039;s pretty clear that the issuer pay model as a cause of this crisis lacks any empirical evidence. Not that this will stop journalists and others that don&#039;t know what rating agencies are and do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the only counterindicator. Not only did the issuer poay model not create any probelms in the past, it didn&#8217;t create any problems in other rating segments, like corporates or sovereigns. It&#8217;s pretty clear that the issuer pay model as a cause of this crisis lacks any empirical evidence. Not that this will stop journalists and others that don&#8217;t know what rating agencies are and do.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not think we should abuse our hosts hospitality.
My email is on the AAA-bomb page]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think we should abuse our hosts hospitality.<br />
My email is on the AAA-bomb page</p>
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		<title>By: Tippy Golden</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tippy Golden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Per, I will take up on this offer at your AAA-Bomb blog. (Once I figure out the tech issue so I can comment.) My God ! You could be another Jonathan Swift.

I can see the start of a movie here... How about George Clooney as the intrepid anti-hero Molotov ... Or better still ... the rusty-voiced, cigar-smoking Alec Baldwin ! Redoubtable left-wingers that they are.

As for film score ... you could start with Bob Marley. His song &quot;Africa Unite&quot; is one of my favorite (because it contains an exquisite riff). Let me think about this and I will get back to you at your AAA-Bomb blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per, I will take up on this offer at your AAA-Bomb blog. (Once I figure out the tech issue so I can comment.) My God ! You could be another Jonathan Swift.</p>
<p>I can see the start of a movie here&#8230; How about George Clooney as the intrepid anti-hero Molotov &#8230; Or better still &#8230; the rusty-voiced, cigar-smoking Alec Baldwin ! Redoubtable left-wingers that they are.</p>
<p>As for film score &#8230; you could start with Bob Marley. His song &#8220;Africa Unite&#8221; is one of my favorite (because it contains an exquisite riff). Let me think about this and I will get back to you at your AAA-Bomb blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re free to edit it and improve it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re free to edit it and improve it</p>
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		<title>By: Tippy Golden</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18115</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tippy Golden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK Per, I have a Bob Marley CD and I&#039;ll listen to his song again, &quot;No woman no cry&quot;. Can&#039;t remember the lyrics.  
As for the outline of your proposed novel. There is definitely potential ! Could not stop laughing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Per, I have a Bob Marley CD and I&#8217;ll listen to his song again, &#8220;No woman no cry&#8221;. Can&#8217;t remember the lyrics.<br />
As for the outline of your proposed novel. There is definitely potential ! Could not stop laughing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tippy Golden</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18113</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tippy Golden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edit needed ...

By then entire towns and cities in California and Nevada --- could have had --- solar-panel roots. But B-company does not get financing. California and Nevada opted for nuclear energy. The &quot;sticky wicket&quot; being not only did B-company not have a credit rating, but it got shouted down as &quot;socialist&quot; for requiring government subsidies to get started up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit needed &#8230;</p>
<p>By then entire towns and cities in California and Nevada &#8212; could have had &#8212; solar-panel roots. But B-company does not get financing. California and Nevada opted for nuclear energy. The &#8220;sticky wicket&#8221; being not only did B-company not have a credit rating, but it got shouted down as &#8220;socialist&#8221; for requiring government subsidies to get started up.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right! There has to be a much higher purpose for our financial system than just avoiding crisis. “No woman no cry”. (Figuratively speaking of course, I would not equate woman with any sort of crisis, God forbid my wife would get hold of it)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right! There has to be a much higher purpose for our financial system than just avoiding crisis. “No woman no cry”. (Figuratively speaking of course, I would not equate woman with any sort of crisis, God forbid my wife would get hold of it)</p>
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		<title>By: Tippy Golden</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tippy Golden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Per. To illustrate what you mean about so-called risker loans:

A-company has an AAA triple-rating and needs financing to build a coal-fired electrical plants. The smoke stacks are state-of-the-art.

B-company, with no credit rating wants, wants to build solar-panel roof-tops that allows homeowners to sell excess power back to the grid. Due diligence indicates B-company has a very good technology. But B-company will need government subsidies, for a decade, before it will be profitable. By then entire towns in California and Nevada will have solar-panel roofs.

The AAA credit rating is blind to the environmental cost and benefit of financing. So B-company does not get built. Hence a failure in environmental accounting for the two projects.

More generally, I think you are saying Basel, a convocation of central bankers, has missed the boat entirely. This is because, under Basel, capital requirements for banks are based on credit ratings. So there is a structural flaw in the world banking system.

Rather than ban or regulate, the rating agencies, address the structural flaw.

Correct?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Per. To illustrate what you mean about so-called risker loans:</p>
<p>A-company has an AAA triple-rating and needs financing to build a coal-fired electrical plants. The smoke stacks are state-of-the-art.</p>
<p>B-company, with no credit rating wants, wants to build solar-panel roof-tops that allows homeowners to sell excess power back to the grid. Due diligence indicates B-company has a very good technology. But B-company will need government subsidies, for a decade, before it will be profitable. By then entire towns in California and Nevada will have solar-panel roofs.</p>
<p>The AAA credit rating is blind to the environmental cost and benefit of financing. So B-company does not get built. Hence a failure in environmental accounting for the two projects.</p>
<p>More generally, I think you are saying Basel, a convocation of central bankers, has missed the boat entirely. This is because, under Basel, capital requirements for banks are based on credit ratings. So there is a structural flaw in the world banking system.</p>
<p>Rather than ban or regulate, the rating agencies, address the structural flaw.</p>
<p>Correct?</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me phrase it the following way... the world has never moved forward one inch financing AAA ventures... on the contrary that only solidifies the status quo... the world moving forward depends on those unrated and certainly more risky projects. But if markets already charge more to finance those unrated and certainly more risky projects, why should the regulators add additional costs to these or subsidize what they believe are the risk free projects.

The “novel” is just a speculative affair and something that I used to illustrate more in jest our current regulatory problem. You find it here: http://www.theaaa-bomb.blogspot.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me phrase it the following way&#8230; the world has never moved forward one inch financing AAA ventures&#8230; on the contrary that only solidifies the status quo&#8230; the world moving forward depends on those unrated and certainly more risky projects. But if markets already charge more to finance those unrated and certainly more risky projects, why should the regulators add additional costs to these or subsidize what they believe are the risk free projects.</p>
<p>The “novel” is just a speculative affair and something that I used to illustrate more in jest our current regulatory problem. You find it here: <a href="http://www.theaaa-bomb.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaaa-bomb.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tippy Golden</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/19/tarp-for-rating-agencies/#comment-18106</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tippy Golden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Per, I read you blog on why sometimes so-called riskier loans are more deserving. Enlightened that you consider social and environmental factors, for example, important considerations in determining interest on a loan.

I found a link to an online novel you are writing. (I can&#039;t find again that link because there is too much material to wade through on this blog.) Could you repost the link to your novel.

Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per, I read you blog on why sometimes so-called riskier loans are more deserving. Enlightened that you consider social and environmental factors, for example, important considerations in determining interest on a loan.</p>
<p>I found a link to an online novel you are writing. (I can&#8217;t find again that link because there is too much material to wade through on this blog.) Could you repost the link to your novel.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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