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		<title>By: &#8216;PRESIDENT OBAMA&#8217;S REGULATORY REFORMS ANNOUNCEMENT: A VIEWER&#8217;S GUIDE,&#8217; by Simon Johnson at : baselinescenario. com. &#171; Want Less Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8216;PRESIDENT OBAMA&#8217;S REGULATORY REFORMS ANNOUNCEMENT: A VIEWER&#8217;S GUIDE,&#8217; by Simon Johnson at : baselinescenario. com. &#171; Want Less Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] was executive and other compensation so notably absent from the latest Geithner-Summers joint statement of our problems and likely [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: President Obama’s Regulatory Reforms Announcement: A Viewer’s Guide &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/11/does-the-administration-care-about-executive-compensation/#comment-17376</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Our economy runs on profit-seeking behavior, or as you pejoratively dismiss, greed.&quot; - msgnet

Our economy runs on narcissism and abuse. The rich flatter themselves and the working stiffs flatter the rich, because they hope to become rich. That protects the rich from the rage of the under classes. 

One thing that has been destroyed in this crisis is the notion that the rich are deserving. Now the whole financier class is seem to have been stupid, immoral, and self-indulgent. They gambled with other people&#039;s money, and almost destroyed the world economy. 

The collapse of confidence takes many forms and has many consequences. One that is not appreciated is the collapse in confidence in America as a meritocracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our economy runs on profit-seeking behavior, or as you pejoratively dismiss, greed.&#8221; &#8211; msgnet</p>
<p>Our economy runs on narcissism and abuse. The rich flatter themselves and the working stiffs flatter the rich, because they hope to become rich. That protects the rich from the rage of the under classes. </p>
<p>One thing that has been destroyed in this crisis is the notion that the rich are deserving. Now the whole financier class is seem to have been stupid, immoral, and self-indulgent. They gambled with other people&#8217;s money, and almost destroyed the world economy. </p>
<p>The collapse of confidence takes many forms and has many consequences. One that is not appreciated is the collapse in confidence in America as a meritocracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/11/does-the-administration-care-about-executive-compensation/#comment-17363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if my weird style of angry sarcasm gets through in posts sometimes, but really I am for lowering executive &quot;compensation&quot; ESPECIALLY for the bankers.  I even wish they would lower executive pay for those banks that DIDN&#039;T receive billions from the government. It&#039;s also worth noting and pointing out Mr. Kwak that FEINBURG IS DOING THIS WORK PRO BONO.  He&#039;s not getting paid for this folks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if my weird style of angry sarcasm gets through in posts sometimes, but really I am for lowering executive &#8220;compensation&#8221; ESPECIALLY for the bankers.  I even wish they would lower executive pay for those banks that DIDN&#8217;T receive billions from the government. It&#8217;s also worth noting and pointing out Mr. Kwak that FEINBURG IS DOING THIS WORK PRO BONO.  He&#8217;s not getting paid for this folks.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/11/does-the-administration-care-about-executive-compensation/#comment-17361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a lawyer, please allow me to say:  you have no idea what you are talking about.

You are wrong on the law, wrong on the history, wrong on the history of the law, and wrong on the Constitution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a lawyer, please allow me to say:  you have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
<p>You are wrong on the law, wrong on the history, wrong on the history of the law, and wrong on the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/11/does-the-administration-care-about-executive-compensation/#comment-17360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand the surprise that AIG paid it&#039;s counterparties.  That was the whole point of bailing out AIG -- to keep it from bringing down the rest of the financial system.  

Paulson apparently learned his lesson from letting Lehman go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand the surprise that AIG paid it&#8217;s counterparties.  That was the whole point of bailing out AIG &#8212; to keep it from bringing down the rest of the financial system.  </p>
<p>Paulson apparently learned his lesson from letting Lehman go.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/11/does-the-administration-care-about-executive-compensation/#comment-17359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This may be the best thing said in this string.

The problem with James&#039;s post is that it seems to assume that the government might have some way to say what compensation &quot;should&quot; be.  Some countries have laws saying that executives can&#039;t make more than Y times the minimum wage (or the average wage).  There is simply no way that would fly here, and I just don&#039;t see anything else meaningful that is politically viable.  

But the real problem is the stupid justifications that investors have largely bought in to.  The CEO of a massive bank is not an entrepreneur, and shouldn&#039;t be compensated like the founded the company in his parent&#039;s garage and built it into an empire.  He&#039;s a manager and his first job is supposed to keep the empire from crumbling, something that every incumbent CEO on Wall Street failed to do because it was much more financially rewarding to add more leverage and more risk without regard to what could go wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be the best thing said in this string.</p>
<p>The problem with James&#8217;s post is that it seems to assume that the government might have some way to say what compensation &#8220;should&#8221; be.  Some countries have laws saying that executives can&#8217;t make more than Y times the minimum wage (or the average wage).  There is simply no way that would fly here, and I just don&#8217;t see anything else meaningful that is politically viable.  </p>
<p>But the real problem is the stupid justifications that investors have largely bought in to.  The CEO of a massive bank is not an entrepreneur, and shouldn&#8217;t be compensated like the founded the company in his parent&#8217;s garage and built it into an empire.  He&#8217;s a manager and his first job is supposed to keep the empire from crumbling, something that every incumbent CEO on Wall Street failed to do because it was much more financially rewarding to add more leverage and more risk without regard to what could go wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/11/does-the-administration-care-about-executive-compensation/#comment-17357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is absurd.  Government deserves criticism for declaring derivatives beyond regulation, and for failing to regulate even where they could.  But as much as I think James&#039;s post missing the real challenges to reform, there is simply no denying that misplaced incentives for everyone on Wall Street played a meaningful role.  Not as meaningful as interest rates that were too low, sure, but far more than anything else in the government did or didn&#039;t do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absurd.  Government deserves criticism for declaring derivatives beyond regulation, and for failing to regulate even where they could.  But as much as I think James&#8217;s post missing the real challenges to reform, there is simply no denying that misplaced incentives for everyone on Wall Street played a meaningful role.  Not as meaningful as interest rates that were too low, sure, but far more than anything else in the government did or didn&#8217;t do.</p>
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		<title>By: q</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/11/does-the-administration-care-about-executive-compensation/#comment-17347</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[q]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that&#039;s very efficient i think, having one person whose only job is to decide how much to pay 175 people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s very efficient i think, having one person whose only job is to decide how much to pay 175 people.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Ross</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/11/does-the-administration-care-about-executive-compensation/#comment-17333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betsy Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, lets get rid of the Federal Reserve and their usurous practices actually, since Congress had no inherent right to &quot;privatize&quot; our banking system back in the Wilson Administration - and those banks were never bankrupt, since they are owned by the Fed, which is the entity that bailed them out - so that whole scenario was simply a fabrication in order for those in Congress to pay back their campaign debts to those banks, at the American people&#039;s expense.

Wake up, for heaven sake.  Goldman Sachs and Lehrman Brothers are part owners in the Fed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, lets get rid of the Federal Reserve and their usurous practices actually, since Congress had no inherent right to &#8220;privatize&#8221; our banking system back in the Wilson Administration &#8211; and those banks were never bankrupt, since they are owned by the Fed, which is the entity that bailed them out &#8211; so that whole scenario was simply a fabrication in order for those in Congress to pay back their campaign debts to those banks, at the American people&#8217;s expense.</p>
<p>Wake up, for heaven sake.  Goldman Sachs and Lehrman Brothers are part owners in the Fed!</p>
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		<title>By: kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kathy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Betsy.  Except for the part about hanging Bush and Obama. 

Regulating executive compensation for companies other than those receiving government assistance seems like socialism to me.  

If shareholders don&#039;t like the way a company pays its executives, they should not buy the shares of that company.  This includes Institutional shareholders.  We might all be better off if Pension Funds went back to buying more low risk assets such as bonds and T-bills. Sure, there wouldn&#039;t be as much so-called economic &quot;growth&quot;, but there also wouldn&#039;t be as much capital destruction.  And maybe there would be less concern about China buying our debt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Betsy.  Except for the part about hanging Bush and Obama. </p>
<p>Regulating executive compensation for companies other than those receiving government assistance seems like socialism to me.  </p>
<p>If shareholders don&#8217;t like the way a company pays its executives, they should not buy the shares of that company.  This includes Institutional shareholders.  We might all be better off if Pension Funds went back to buying more low risk assets such as bonds and T-bills. Sure, there wouldn&#8217;t be as much so-called economic &#8220;growth&#8221;, but there also wouldn&#8217;t be as much capital destruction.  And maybe there would be less concern about China buying our debt.</p>
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		<title>By: kathy</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/11/does-the-administration-care-about-executive-compensation/#comment-17331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kathy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;overheated&quot; housing market was not the cause of the GLOBAL financial crisis. The US could have handled the real estate &quot;bust&quot;.  We have many times before. The real cause of the 50 or 60 trillion dollar crisis was the securitization(and creation of deriviatives on those securities) of the bad loans from that market.  It was not government policy to make bad loans.  Bad loans were made by GREEDY PEOPLE.  Packaged bad loan securities were knowingly sold by  GREEDY PEOPLE.  Triple A ratings were given to these bad loan securities by GREEDY PEOPLE.  These bad loan securities were sold over and over by  GREEDY PEOPLE.  

It&#039;s your position that is ridiculous.  When will republicans get a clue?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;overheated&#8221; housing market was not the cause of the GLOBAL financial crisis. The US could have handled the real estate &#8220;bust&#8221;.  We have many times before. The real cause of the 50 or 60 trillion dollar crisis was the securitization(and creation of deriviatives on those securities) of the bad loans from that market.  It was not government policy to make bad loans.  Bad loans were made by GREEDY PEOPLE.  Packaged bad loan securities were knowingly sold by  GREEDY PEOPLE.  Triple A ratings were given to these bad loan securities by GREEDY PEOPLE.  These bad loan securities were sold over and over by  GREEDY PEOPLE.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s your position that is ridiculous.  When will republicans get a clue?</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betsy Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since corporations are &quot;commerce&quot; and not people, and are to be regulated according to our Constitution when they seek to remove either freedom or property from the people, our government now is upside down to the campaign laws in this country, and the extension of what is called in the legal profession &quot;corporate person-hood&quot; which gave corporations in this country essentially equal rights under our Constitution as that of the people due to an errant Supreme Court ruling after the Civil War.  You can research this if you wish, the 14th Amendment was extended to corporations thus the beginning of the corporate dominance and control in this nation, and was one of those &quot;made up&quot; progressive political decisions along with many others that have brought us to where we are.

Corporations are not people, they are property and can be bought and sold.  Thus, that entire finding is not &quot;legal&quot; on the part of the Supreme Court.  And so each and every statute at the state or federal level giving them a privilege or immununity over the people which was granted without the people&#039;s direct consent (since the 9th Amendment even supercedes the 10th) is unconstitutional on their face.  So about 80% of the laws in this country are not constitutional at this point.

But Congress should not be determining executive compensation, instead the disinterested shareholders should be determining such matters as owners of those companies.  Congress has no business doing anthing but legislating that any and all executive compensation should be at the discretion of the owners, the disintereted shareholders. That would put the accountability where it belongs, and should never be bailing out private companies outside also the provsions of the Constitution through the formal bankruptcy process - which is then a matter of public record.

So Obama and Bush and those Congressional members who &quot;granted&quot; the Executive Office authority over these bailouts are nothing but treasonous traitors to the founding fathers, and our intended form of government.  And treason actually carries the highest penalty of all.  Remember Benedict Arnold, because each and every Congressional member that voted for those bailouts, including our current Commander in Chief and his predecessor, are nothing more than common criminals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since corporations are &#8220;commerce&#8221; and not people, and are to be regulated according to our Constitution when they seek to remove either freedom or property from the people, our government now is upside down to the campaign laws in this country, and the extension of what is called in the legal profession &#8220;corporate person-hood&#8221; which gave corporations in this country essentially equal rights under our Constitution as that of the people due to an errant Supreme Court ruling after the Civil War.  You can research this if you wish, the 14th Amendment was extended to corporations thus the beginning of the corporate dominance and control in this nation, and was one of those &#8220;made up&#8221; progressive political decisions along with many others that have brought us to where we are.</p>
<p>Corporations are not people, they are property and can be bought and sold.  Thus, that entire finding is not &#8220;legal&#8221; on the part of the Supreme Court.  And so each and every statute at the state or federal level giving them a privilege or immununity over the people which was granted without the people&#8217;s direct consent (since the 9th Amendment even supercedes the 10th) is unconstitutional on their face.  So about 80% of the laws in this country are not constitutional at this point.</p>
<p>But Congress should not be determining executive compensation, instead the disinterested shareholders should be determining such matters as owners of those companies.  Congress has no business doing anthing but legislating that any and all executive compensation should be at the discretion of the owners, the disintereted shareholders. That would put the accountability where it belongs, and should never be bailing out private companies outside also the provsions of the Constitution through the formal bankruptcy process &#8211; which is then a matter of public record.</p>
<p>So Obama and Bush and those Congressional members who &#8220;granted&#8221; the Executive Office authority over these bailouts are nothing but treasonous traitors to the founding fathers, and our intended form of government.  And treason actually carries the highest penalty of all.  Remember Benedict Arnold, because each and every Congressional member that voted for those bailouts, including our current Commander in Chief and his predecessor, are nothing more than common criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: msgnet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[msgnet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to talk about trust-busting, the most problematic monopoly/oligopoly in this system is the collection of credit rating agencies.  The government pretty much ensures that banks have to outsource their risk assessment to this institutions who have no incentive to actually be accurate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to talk about trust-busting, the most problematic monopoly/oligopoly in this system is the collection of credit rating agencies.  The government pretty much ensures that banks have to outsource their risk assessment to this institutions who have no incentive to actually be accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: msgnet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[msgnet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our economy runs on profit-seeking behavior, or as you pejoratively dismiss, greed.  When the government creates perverse incentives, and profit-seekers become rich by following those incentives, don&#039;t simply dismiss that as &quot;greed&quot; that should have been regulated.  Ask why the incentives were there in the first place and who created them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our economy runs on profit-seeking behavior, or as you pejoratively dismiss, greed.  When the government creates perverse incentives, and profit-seekers become rich by following those incentives, don&#8217;t simply dismiss that as &#8220;greed&#8221; that should have been regulated.  Ask why the incentives were there in the first place and who created them.</p>
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