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		<title>By: Do We Defeat the Deficit or Does It Defeat Us? &#171; DELAWARE REPUBLICAN</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-17432</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Do We Defeat the Deficit or Does It Defeat Us? &#171; DELAWARE REPUBLICAN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] asking the Chinese to buy our debt. Rather, announce a credible path to bring down the fiscal deficit in 2010 towards 5 percent of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] asking the Chinese to buy our debt. Rather, announce a credible path to bring down the fiscal deficit in 2010 towards 5 percent of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Gold Standard &#187; Geithner, America and China</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Gold Standard &#187; Geithner, America and China]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] real issues are covered by Simon Johnson at Baseline Scenario. See his posts here and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: John U</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16605</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have bargaining power in the sense that AIG had bargaining power to demand and receive bailout funds post Lehman.  No?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have bargaining power in the sense that AIG had bargaining power to demand and receive bailout funds post Lehman.  No?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Setser: Follow the Money &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Change or more of the same?</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16569</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Simon Johnson poses the core question facing the United States and China well: [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Obama&#8217;s Gorbachev Moment - Economix Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16566</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obama&#8217;s Gorbachev Moment - Economix Blog - NYTimes.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] asking the Chinese to buy our debt. Rather, announce a credible path to bring down the fiscal deficit in 2010 towards 5 percent of [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: PM</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you want the dollar to &quot;plummet&quot; to help you finances for an MS at Stanford, and you feel China is a &quot;financial counterweight.&quot;  I certainly hope your degree field does not relate to economics, because to still hold these kinds of opinions and failures of fact at the post-grad level at Stanford would be stunning.  (Although they are stunning regardless of the degree field.)


&quot;Frankly, I am surprised at the “Bad China” attitude in Simon’s post. I think they did pretty well for themselves.&quot;

By abusing trade and finance every bit as much as did the U.S. and placing themselves in a financial trap with no route of extrication that does not damage themselves and likely the world financial system itself?  Really?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you want the dollar to &#8220;plummet&#8221; to help you finances for an MS at Stanford, and you feel China is a &#8220;financial counterweight.&#8221;  I certainly hope your degree field does not relate to economics, because to still hold these kinds of opinions and failures of fact at the post-grad level at Stanford would be stunning.  (Although they are stunning regardless of the degree field.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Frankly, I am surprised at the “Bad China” attitude in Simon’s post. I think they did pretty well for themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>By abusing trade and finance every bit as much as did the U.S. and placing themselves in a financial trap with no route of extrication that does not damage themselves and likely the world financial system itself?  Really?</p>
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		<title>By: Ajit</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16509</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And oh yeah, on the other hand I am also happy that finally the US has a financial counterweight.

Frankly, I am surprised at the &quot;Bad China&quot; attitude in Simon&#039;s post. I think they did pretty well for themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And oh yeah, on the other hand I am also happy that finally the US has a financial counterweight.</p>
<p>Frankly, I am surprised at the &#8220;Bad China&#8221; attitude in Simon&#8217;s post. I think they did pretty well for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajit</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16507</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ajit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Offtopic,

I really want the dollar to plummet, the appreciation of the dollar has radically changed my finances for my MS at Stanford this fall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offtopic,</p>
<p>I really want the dollar to plummet, the appreciation of the dollar has radically changed my finances for my MS at Stanford this fall.</p>
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		<title>By: PM</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16268</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I am vastly amused by Americans saying what “China must do” in order to make things easier for us. Fact is we have next to no bargaining power at all and will be on the receiving end of whatever China decides to do for the foreseeable future&quot;

And I am vastly amused by people who romanticize Chinese power in this way.  China has no barganing power here.  Despite its rhetoric, it continues to consume dollars and treasuries at a near-record levels, increasing its cumulative holdings hand-over-fist.  It does this because it must.  When you &quot;must&quot; do something, you are not in the driver&#039;s seat.  The view that this is a unipolar power issue is remarkably naive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am vastly amused by Americans saying what “China must do” in order to make things easier for us. Fact is we have next to no bargaining power at all and will be on the receiving end of whatever China decides to do for the foreseeable future&#8221;</p>
<p>And I am vastly amused by people who romanticize Chinese power in this way.  China has no barganing power here.  Despite its rhetoric, it continues to consume dollars and treasuries at a near-record levels, increasing its cumulative holdings hand-over-fist.  It does this because it must.  When you &#8220;must&#8221; do something, you are not in the driver&#8217;s seat.  The view that this is a unipolar power issue is remarkably naive.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  China Pushes Hard On his China visit, Secretary Geithner is immediately on the defensive.  The language he is using on the Chinese [...] [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: gaius marius</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16216</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... As for whether fiscal dissaving pushes equilibrium interest rates upwards, surely the example of Japan shows that interest rates respond to whether fiscal deficits are large enough fund private savings demand. Japan’s been at ZIRP for years, and public debt runs at 250% of GDP. ...

this is true as far as it goes, but there&#039;s a difference between us and japan -- our current account balance.

as john hempton has pointed out, japan was awash in deposit funding as a result of its CA surplus even before 1990 -- indeed its excess deposits helped fuel its boom. these excess despoits are a direct product of the CA surplus, which the banks intermediate, and enabled (when loan demand collapsed following the asset shock of 1990 on) ZIRP and malaise.

the US, however, has long imported scads of wholesale funding for its banking system through its CA deficit. this has resulted in a systemic deposit-to-asset ratio of 66%. there are no excess deposits; there is only a massive pile of wholesale funding that must be rolled or systemic assets must be liquidated. the fed has stepped in as the wholesale-funder of last resort, but that merely means the government now has to import the capital rather than the (now collapsed) private interbank and securitization markets.

this is why, imo, we&#039;re seeing rocketing treasury yields. our problem isn&#039;t like japan&#039;s; it is instead rather more like 1998 korea, or for that matter 2007 iceland. we MUST import capital to prevent an asset liquidation spiral in the financial system as we slowly wean ourselves off wholesale funding; in the meantime, there remains ever present a real possibility of a sudden-stop capital flight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; As for whether fiscal dissaving pushes equilibrium interest rates upwards, surely the example of Japan shows that interest rates respond to whether fiscal deficits are large enough fund private savings demand. Japan’s been at ZIRP for years, and public debt runs at 250% of GDP. &#8230;</p>
<p>this is true as far as it goes, but there&#8217;s a difference between us and japan &#8212; our current account balance.</p>
<p>as john hempton has pointed out, japan was awash in deposit funding as a result of its CA surplus even before 1990 &#8212; indeed its excess deposits helped fuel its boom. these excess despoits are a direct product of the CA surplus, which the banks intermediate, and enabled (when loan demand collapsed following the asset shock of 1990 on) ZIRP and malaise.</p>
<p>the US, however, has long imported scads of wholesale funding for its banking system through its CA deficit. this has resulted in a systemic deposit-to-asset ratio of 66%. there are no excess deposits; there is only a massive pile of wholesale funding that must be rolled or systemic assets must be liquidated. the fed has stepped in as the wholesale-funder of last resort, but that merely means the government now has to import the capital rather than the (now collapsed) private interbank and securitization markets.</p>
<p>this is why, imo, we&#8217;re seeing rocketing treasury yields. our problem isn&#8217;t like japan&#8217;s; it is instead rather more like 1998 korea, or for that matter 2007 iceland. we MUST import capital to prevent an asset liquidation spiral in the financial system as we slowly wean ourselves off wholesale funding; in the meantime, there remains ever present a real possibility of a sudden-stop capital flight.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama Is Making A Big Mistake In Saudi Arabia - The Plank</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16201</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Obama is on his way to Saudi Arabia, and Secretary Geithner is done with his major&#160;initiative in China.&#160;In&#160;part,&#160;this is just&#160;the U.S. normalizing its relations with the rest of the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Obama is on his way to Saudi Arabia, and Secretary Geithner is done with his major&nbsp;initiative in China.&nbsp;In&nbsp;part,&nbsp;this is just&nbsp;the U.S. normalizing its relations with the rest of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bayard</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16192</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[China is instinctively isolationist.  They want us to buy what they make, but the hell with us otherwise.  Bad attitude.  They really need to participate in a global perpective in a more cooperative fashion.  Like our Wall Streeters, they may find themselves suffering from a lack of moral responsibility in their global dealings.  And, unfortunately, that is very unlikely to change, no matter how much diplomacy goes on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China is instinctively isolationist.  They want us to buy what they make, but the hell with us otherwise.  Bad attitude.  They really need to participate in a global perpective in a more cooperative fashion.  Like our Wall Streeters, they may find themselves suffering from a lack of moral responsibility in their global dealings.  And, unfortunately, that is very unlikely to change, no matter how much diplomacy goes on.</p>
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		<title>By: What Would Gorbachev Say? On The US, China, and Saudi Arabia</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16170</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Obama is on his way to Saudi Arabia, and Secretary Geithner is done with his major initiative in China.  In part, this is just the US normalizing its relations with the rest of the world and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: rharris</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/06/01/china-pushes-hard/#comment-16136</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Chinese government/PoBC ends up with USD because its exporters get paid in USD.  Since they hold USD they have to buy stuff that is priced in USD, particularly US treasuries.  I don&#039;t think the Chinese have much room to push for a change.  
Basically, I can&#039;t see Walmart paying for its imports in RMB instead of USD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chinese government/PoBC ends up with USD because its exporters get paid in USD.  Since they hold USD they have to buy stuff that is priced in USD, particularly US treasuries.  I don&#8217;t think the Chinese have much room to push for a change.<br />
Basically, I can&#8217;t see Walmart paying for its imports in RMB instead of USD.</p>
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