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		<title>By: BRUCE</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-16839</link>
		<dc:creator>BRUCE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And where did the money go to ?
Or, did Madoff get planted many years ago to take down the economy just when the BANKERS wanted him to show up as a disastrous jolt to the economy...he was in position planned for just when to torpedo the economy.To keep- all of the stupid American taxpayers under the thumb of the Federal Reserve Dictators</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And where did the money go to ?<br />
Or, did Madoff get planted many years ago to take down the economy just when the BANKERS wanted him to show up as a disastrous jolt to the economy&#8230;he was in position planned for just when to torpedo the economy.To keep- all of the stupid American taxpayers under the thumb of the Federal Reserve Dictators</p>
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		<title>By: Big swinging deregulators &#171; Blogging Through the Wreckage</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-15863</link>
		<dc:creator>Big swinging deregulators &#171; Blogging Through the Wreckage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mark Thoma has a synopsis of the Post story on Economist&#8217;s View.  (Hat tip: Baseline Scenario.) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blackeyebart</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-15749</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackeyebart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 03:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even on a site like this, broadly sympathetic to the need for banks and others to be regulated, more or less, the debate has a tendency to be oddly out of focus, at least to my eye.
Is there no common understanding that regulating Banks is not popular with bankers and never will be? Bulls do not knowingly line up to become steers. 
That Larry and the Bankers were opposed to to reform should not surprise anyone over 15. Banking Reform does not help bankers. It helps the customers of bankers. 
Any set of regulations designed by bankers and enforced by Bankers on other Bankers will guarantee that the interest of Bankers will be paramount. That is not cynicism but common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even on a site like this, broadly sympathetic to the need for banks and others to be regulated, more or less, the debate has a tendency to be oddly out of focus, at least to my eye.<br />
Is there no common understanding that regulating Banks is not popular with bankers and never will be? Bulls do not knowingly line up to become steers.<br />
That Larry and the Bankers were opposed to to reform should not surprise anyone over 15. Banking Reform does not help bankers. It helps the customers of bankers.<br />
Any set of regulations designed by bankers and enforced by Bankers on other Bankers will guarantee that the interest of Bankers will be paramount. That is not cynicism but common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: The Baseline Scenario: May 27, 2009 &#124; EthicalMarkets.com</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-15727</link>
		<dc:creator>The Baseline Scenario: May 27, 2009 &#124; EthicalMarkets.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “I Have 13 Bankers in My Office” By James Kwak Posted: 26 May 2009 07:32 PM PDT [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Counterpointer</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-15676</link>
		<dc:creator>Counterpointer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 12:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, you&#039;re on a yacht, miles from land, a banker and a lawyer fall overboard.  Neither can swim.  You have time to save only one.  Do you:

a) read the newspaper, 

or

b) have lunch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, you&#8217;re on a yacht, miles from land, a banker and a lawyer fall overboard.  Neither can swim.  You have time to save only one.  Do you:</p>
<p>a) read the newspaper, </p>
<p>or</p>
<p>b) have lunch?</p>
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		<title>By: R.U. Nutz, Brentwood NH</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-15644</link>
		<dc:creator>R.U. Nutz, Brentwood NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re the most tongue-in-cheek commentator here. (Are you related to the squash-playing Khans?) 

Aside from that the FDIC &lt;i&gt;temporarily&lt;/i&gt; takes over banks almost every weekend lately, and that there has never been a real free market in any realm (without government-backed regulations favoring the politically dominant side at the time), will you go without our &quot;socialized&quot; police &amp; fire departments, air-traffic controllers, and all the other examples? We will continue tweaking our mixed system, some more regulation here, some less there, as our experience leads us to. The entire &quot;capitalist&quot; financial industry has been indelibly shamed by their failing us all. See, for example, Michael Edesess&#039; blog http://www.thebiginvestmentlie.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re the most tongue-in-cheek commentator here. (Are you related to the squash-playing Khans?) </p>
<p>Aside from that the FDIC <i>temporarily</i> takes over banks almost every weekend lately, and that there has never been a real free market in any realm (without government-backed regulations favoring the politically dominant side at the time), will you go without our &#8220;socialized&#8221; police &amp; fire departments, air-traffic controllers, and all the other examples? We will continue tweaking our mixed system, some more regulation here, some less there, as our experience leads us to. The entire &#8220;capitalist&#8221; financial industry has been indelibly shamed by their failing us all. See, for example, Michael Edesess&#8217; blog <a href="http://www.thebiginvestmentlie.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebiginvestmentlie.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ted K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-15638</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 00:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew Marshall Matt Dillon was the start of this blasted, confounded mess.   Why people want to blame this on the banking industry is beyond me.  Oh, confound it!!!
          ---written anonymously from Backwards Grove, SC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew Marshall Matt Dillon was the start of this blasted, confounded mess.   Why people want to blame this on the banking industry is beyond me.  Oh, confound it!!!<br />
          &#8212;written anonymously from Backwards Grove, SC</p>
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		<title>By: rd</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-15630</link>
		<dc:creator>rd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never figured out why we need policemen and courts.

The Bill of Rights gives us the right to bear arms.  If somebody is going to mug you or steal from you, you figure it out ahead of time and then just shoot them.  That solves the problem and it means that they won&#039;t bother other people in the future.  It also should act as a pretty good deterrent.

It worked well in the western US until they started messing it up by sending in US Marshalls and the like which caused the system to be less efficient and less stable.  Self-regualtion seemed to work well in distributing water and grazing rights in the 1800s. Today, it seems to be working well in most inner cities where the police don&#039;t like to go in, so the population can regulate themselves.

It is a logical extension to assume that the same concepts would work well in the financial markets where the people are much more civilized, have much less larceny in their hearts, and are far more rational than the average citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never figured out why we need policemen and courts.</p>
<p>The Bill of Rights gives us the right to bear arms.  If somebody is going to mug you or steal from you, you figure it out ahead of time and then just shoot them.  That solves the problem and it means that they won&#8217;t bother other people in the future.  It also should act as a pretty good deterrent.</p>
<p>It worked well in the western US until they started messing it up by sending in US Marshalls and the like which caused the system to be less efficient and less stable.  Self-regualtion seemed to work well in distributing water and grazing rights in the 1800s. Today, it seems to be working well in most inner cities where the police don&#8217;t like to go in, so the population can regulate themselves.</p>
<p>It is a logical extension to assume that the same concepts would work well in the financial markets where the people are much more civilized, have much less larceny in their hearts, and are far more rational than the average citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo Khan</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-15605</link>
		<dc:creator>Neo Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most laughable quote in the article:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;&lt;b&gt;TEMPORARY&lt;/b&gt; government takeover of banks&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Temporary ~ that&#039;s rich.

It takes an extraordinary amount of willful ignorance to deduce that socialism (which has never worked anywhere) is preferable to capitalism (which has produced among the most vibrant economies the world has ever known).

An interesting side-effect from this socialist experiment for you to analyze:

Yesterday I went to buy a toaster, and they gave me a free bank!

Mission accomplished ~ I suppose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most laughable quote in the article:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;<b>TEMPORARY</b> government takeover of banks&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Temporary ~ that&#8217;s rich.</p>
<p>It takes an extraordinary amount of willful ignorance to deduce that socialism (which has never worked anywhere) is preferable to capitalism (which has produced among the most vibrant economies the world has ever known).</p>
<p>An interesting side-effect from this socialist experiment for you to analyze:</p>
<p>Yesterday I went to buy a toaster, and they gave me a free bank!</p>
<p>Mission accomplished ~ I suppose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-15604</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne, 

Not to veer towards socialism here, but your post about the Reagan era reminded me how many of the same people who want completely unregulated markets would also argue that we need the death penalty, stiffer sentencing for minor crimes and unlimited personal weapons rights for their crime-deterrent value ....  I find this amusingly ironic ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne, </p>
<p>Not to veer towards socialism here, but your post about the Reagan era reminded me how many of the same people who want completely unregulated markets would also argue that we need the death penalty, stiffer sentencing for minor crimes and unlimited personal weapons rights for their crime-deterrent value &#8230;.  I find this amusingly ironic &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Man Moon</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-15600</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Man Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most important observation made by Mr. Thoma is his concern as to whether Summers and the Obama administration have learned the important lesson that lies behind the financial crisis and its negative long term impact — both direct and indirect — on the economy.

Nearly all of their actions since taking over the reign have indicated that they have not. I have yet to decide whether this is due to: 

A) a real belief in market self stabilization, with a nudge from tax dollars belonging to those most impacted by, but least responsible for the crisis

B) decades of effective marketing against government intervention that primarily benefits the masses has caused real political fear of being labeled as &quot;socialists&quot;. 

Of course, the modern day epithet comes from the very people who created and benefited from the environment that led to the collapse of the financial markets to begin with — and who embrace (or rather, extort) the current transfer of wealth from the *masses* to the *few* — in order to return to a system that remains much the same as before.  

or C) we&#039;re being duped. Purposefully.

Finally, a strong and stable financial system is the most important element to assure the safety, survival and growth of our nation. Even more important than our military itself, because without the former the latter cannot exist. So why is it that it would be seen as absurd and downright irresponisible to leave oversight and control of our military in the hands of private enterprise, yet the same does not apply to financial institutions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most important observation made by Mr. Thoma is his concern as to whether Summers and the Obama administration have learned the important lesson that lies behind the financial crisis and its negative long term impact — both direct and indirect — on the economy.</p>
<p>Nearly all of their actions since taking over the reign have indicated that they have not. I have yet to decide whether this is due to: </p>
<p>A) a real belief in market self stabilization, with a nudge from tax dollars belonging to those most impacted by, but least responsible for the crisis</p>
<p>B) decades of effective marketing against government intervention that primarily benefits the masses has caused real political fear of being labeled as &#8220;socialists&#8221;. </p>
<p>Of course, the modern day epithet comes from the very people who created and benefited from the environment that led to the collapse of the financial markets to begin with — and who embrace (or rather, extort) the current transfer of wealth from the *masses* to the *few* — in order to return to a system that remains much the same as before.  </p>
<p>or C) we&#8217;re being duped. Purposefully.</p>
<p>Finally, a strong and stable financial system is the most important element to assure the safety, survival and growth of our nation. Even more important than our military itself, because without the former the latter cannot exist. So why is it that it would be seen as absurd and downright irresponisible to leave oversight and control of our military in the hands of private enterprise, yet the same does not apply to financial institutions?</p>
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		<title>By: aimzzz</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/26/derivatives-regulation-brooksley-born/#comment-15594</link>
		<dc:creator>aimzzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If her adversaries were genuine about their fears, then they already knew that failure of this sector posed systemic risk. Merely exploring the concept of regulation would &quot;cause the worst financial crisis since World War II&quot;... &quot;They warned that if she did so, the market would implode...&quot; 

If a hypothetical discussion could cause such devastation, what does it say about the stability of the system. In the late 90s, her adversaries already knew how little it would take to rock the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If her adversaries were genuine about their fears, then they already knew that failure of this sector posed systemic risk. Merely exploring the concept of regulation would &#8220;cause the worst financial crisis since World War II&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;They warned that if she did so, the market would implode&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>If a hypothetical discussion could cause such devastation, what does it say about the stability of the system. In the late 90s, her adversaries already knew how little it would take to rock the world.</p>
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		<title>By: James Twiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Twiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Economic actors ... always work to maximize short term profits&quot;.  I&#039;m not sure that teh always really follows.  In the Corporatist system we have created, where economic actors&#039; first responsibility is to produce profit for shareholders, this is clearly true.  There are several other historical models that have, to a lesser or greated extent, avoided this trap, while still being called &quot;capitalism&quot;.  The example of the family owned local company where the owners LIVE in the same town as the consumers and workers springs to mind.  In that model, civic mindedness (while not assured) is at least a reasonable outcome.  In our current system, civic mindedness is for suckers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Economic actors &#8230; always work to maximize short term profits&#8221;.  I&#8217;m not sure that teh always really follows.  In the Corporatist system we have created, where economic actors&#8217; first responsibility is to produce profit for shareholders, this is clearly true.  There are several other historical models that have, to a lesser or greated extent, avoided this trap, while still being called &#8220;capitalism&#8221;.  The example of the family owned local company where the owners LIVE in the same town as the consumers and workers springs to mind.  In that model, civic mindedness (while not assured) is at least a reasonable outcome.  In our current system, civic mindedness is for suckers.</p>
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		<title>By: bobgreenfest</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobgreenfest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It actually makes sense that these great financial minds avoided the issues Brooksley Born was trying to get them to discuss.  How else could this group of shysters made so much money if they didn’t participate in part of the financial products sham that has now been responsible for the nightmare we’re living in every day?   For additional insight see www.bobgreenfest.wordpress.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It actually makes sense that these great financial minds avoided the issues Brooksley Born was trying to get them to discuss.  How else could this group of shysters made so much money if they didn’t participate in part of the financial products sham that has now been responsible for the nightmare we’re living in every day?   For additional insight see <a href="http://www.bobgreenfest.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bobgreenfest.wordpress.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Will O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a more regulated derivatives market is likely, then a consultation process on how best to migrate towards this should be underway and more public than appears to be the case currently. Darrell Duffie has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stanford.edu/~duffie/DuffieZhu.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;argued&lt;/a&gt; that introducing a central clearing house can increase risk if it is only in one segment of the market, as counterparties have multiple offsetting trades so one leg disappears with only partial central clearing. This has been partially done with the Big Bang protocol in CDS, but a roadmap for how such a transition could occur is required as you cannot move to a regulated, centrally-cleared, exchange-traded market overnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a more regulated derivatives market is likely, then a consultation process on how best to migrate towards this should be underway and more public than appears to be the case currently. Darrell Duffie has <a href="http://www.stanford.edu/~duffie/DuffieZhu.pdf" rel="nofollow">argued</a> that introducing a central clearing house can increase risk if it is only in one segment of the market, as counterparties have multiple offsetting trades so one leg disappears with only partial central clearing. This has been partially done with the Big Bang protocol in CDS, but a roadmap for how such a transition could occur is required as you cannot move to a regulated, centrally-cleared, exchange-traded market overnight.</p>
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