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		<title>By: Why Are SUVs More Profitable?</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/21/the-economics-of-cafe/#comment-16162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why Are SUVs More Profitable?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] cars help manufacturers meet their CAFE targets, and so manufacturers are willing to accept lower profit margins on them. That is, each small car [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Help: Why Are SUVs More Profitable? &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/21/the-economics-of-cafe/#comment-16100</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] cars help manufacturers meet their CAFE targets, and so manufacturers are willing to accept lower profit margins on them. That is, each small car [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Obama Tackles the Liquid Fuels Problem :: ASPO-USA: Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/21/the-economics-of-cafe/#comment-15687</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obama Tackles the Liquid Fuels Problem :: ASPO-USA: Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] function used by the Department of Transportation for CAFE and its graph. Formula from James Kwak at Baseline Scenario, graph from the journal [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] function used by the Department of Transportation for CAFE and its graph. Formula from James Kwak at Baseline Scenario, graph from the journal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rulle</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/21/the-economics-of-cafe/#comment-15249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rulle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 13:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When private sector entities do stupid things, they get punished for it--unless moral hazard actions by government saves the day. That &quot;punishment&quot; tends to happen quickly, freeing up resources for the next entrepreneurial bet. When government does stupid things, it just continues to do them (Amtrak is a terrific example, as are the current auto industry bailouts--which I oppose) without consequences. The consequences are diffused like a mild poison gas in &quot;space and time&quot;. When countless of these actions are repeated, the &quot;mild poison gas&quot; compounds and becomes extremely toxic. The result can be &quot;instant death&quot;---witness the extreme of such cases, the Soviet Union.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When private sector entities do stupid things, they get punished for it&#8211;unless moral hazard actions by government saves the day. That &#8220;punishment&#8221; tends to happen quickly, freeing up resources for the next entrepreneurial bet. When government does stupid things, it just continues to do them (Amtrak is a terrific example, as are the current auto industry bailouts&#8211;which I oppose) without consequences. The consequences are diffused like a mild poison gas in &#8220;space and time&#8221;. When countless of these actions are repeated, the &#8220;mild poison gas&#8221; compounds and becomes extremely toxic. The result can be &#8220;instant death&#8221;&#8212;witness the extreme of such cases, the Soviet Union.</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting Reads: 23 May 2009 &#124; OneMint</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Interesting Reads: 23 May 2009 &#124; OneMint]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 08:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The Economics of CAFE at The Baseline Scenario [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Marian</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/21/the-economics-of-cafe/#comment-15156</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there is more on the topic below]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is more on the topic below</p>
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		<title>By: Marian</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/21/the-economics-of-cafe/#comment-15155</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh, come on! you just like your big indestructible truck, don&#039;t you?
Why would smaller cars be significantly more dangerous?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, come on! you just like your big indestructible truck, don&#8217;t you?<br />
Why would smaller cars be significantly more dangerous?</p>
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		<title>By: tedb</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/21/the-economics-of-cafe/#comment-15120</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems footprint = wheelbase X track width, which is easy to understand and apparently different than the Hennessy definition Kwak reports.  cf.  point 2     http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.d0b5a45b55bfbe582f57529cdba046a0/?javax.portlet.tpst=f2d14277f710b755fc08d51090008a0c_ws_MX&amp;javax.portlet.prp_f2d14277f710b755fc08d51090008a0c_viewID=detail_view&amp;itemID=199b8facdcfa4010VgnVCM1000002c567798RCRD&amp;viewType=standard#0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems footprint = wheelbase X track width, which is easy to understand and apparently different than the Hennessy definition Kwak reports.  cf.  point 2     <a href="http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.d0b5a45b55bfbe582f57529cdba046a0/?javax.portlet.tpst=f2d14277f710b755fc08d51090008a0c_ws_MX&#038;javax.portlet.prp_f2d14277f710b755fc08d51090008a0c_viewID=detail_view&#038;itemID=199b8facdcfa4010VgnVCM1000002c567798RCRD&#038;viewType=standard#0" rel="nofollow">http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.d0b5a45b55bfbe582f57529cdba046a0/?javax.portlet.tpst=f2d14277f710b755fc08d51090008a0c_ws_MX&#038;javax.portlet.prp_f2d14277f710b755fc08d51090008a0c_viewID=detail_view&#038;itemID=199b8facdcfa4010VgnVCM1000002c567798RCRD&#038;viewType=standard#0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jörgen in Germany</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/21/the-economics-of-cafe/#comment-15093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jörgen in Germany]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 13:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I drive an Opel Zafira with 7 seaats. I bought it (new) for 15.500 Euros and it gets 33 mpg on real measured average. And this is European technology from 2001. Are Americans not capable to do the same. Obama evidently thinks they are not, otherwise he would have proposed some stricter standards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drive an Opel Zafira with 7 seaats. I bought it (new) for 15.500 Euros and it gets 33 mpg on real measured average. And this is European technology from 2001. Are Americans not capable to do the same. Obama evidently thinks they are not, otherwise he would have proposed some stricter standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Links: 2009-05-22 - Credit Writedowns</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Links: 2009-05-22 - Credit Writedowns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] hat tip Cassandra. This is a laughable anecdote from the global housing bubble and its attendant absurdity.The Economics of CAFE; The Baseline Scenario [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Doc at the Radar Station</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree. With stringent CAFE standards it *increases* manufacturer&#039;s visibility into what they need to invest in, while at the same time placing more pressure on them to innovate and compete with others subject to the same rules.  It makes taking the easy and lazy way out of humongous and inefficient autos in bubble times and bail outs during bust times not as viable an option.  It&#039;s a more stable long-term policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. With stringent CAFE standards it *increases* manufacturer&#8217;s visibility into what they need to invest in, while at the same time placing more pressure on them to innovate and compete with others subject to the same rules.  It makes taking the easy and lazy way out of humongous and inefficient autos in bubble times and bail outs during bust times not as viable an option.  It&#8217;s a more stable long-term policy.</p>
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		<title>By: tz</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/21/the-economics-of-cafe/#comment-15070</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is that the $1300 will NOT be the consumer&#039;s choice, and it might not be $1300.  It might be in horrible performance - you simply won&#039;t buy the underpowered car (or truck).  You can&#039;t repeal physics.

The US (and Candadian) car companies make profits and very good larger cars.  Others are better (profitable) making small and efficient cars.

Instead of letting each manufacturer concentrate at what they do well, the law is trying to force every manufacturer to have the same average efficiency on very different products.

Think if you wanted to force Toyota or Honda to create a hybrid 12+ passenger van - something they have never made and have no engineering experience.  Or build large trucks or something else.

Or force Microsoft to create a version of Windows for cell phones - corporate average code economy.

It will cost jobs, result in bad products, and hurt profits.

The new vehicle might be something you would buy, but you cannot force it down every consumer&#039;s throat.  Or you (and everyone else) will simply buy the similar vehicle from a more experienced (foreign) manufacturer bankrupting the US company.  You can&#039;t make Ford be Toyota or Toyota be Ford, but that seems to be what you want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the $1300 will NOT be the consumer&#8217;s choice, and it might not be $1300.  It might be in horrible performance &#8211; you simply won&#8217;t buy the underpowered car (or truck).  You can&#8217;t repeal physics.</p>
<p>The US (and Candadian) car companies make profits and very good larger cars.  Others are better (profitable) making small and efficient cars.</p>
<p>Instead of letting each manufacturer concentrate at what they do well, the law is trying to force every manufacturer to have the same average efficiency on very different products.</p>
<p>Think if you wanted to force Toyota or Honda to create a hybrid 12+ passenger van &#8211; something they have never made and have no engineering experience.  Or build large trucks or something else.</p>
<p>Or force Microsoft to create a version of Windows for cell phones &#8211; corporate average code economy.</p>
<p>It will cost jobs, result in bad products, and hurt profits.</p>
<p>The new vehicle might be something you would buy, but you cannot force it down every consumer&#8217;s throat.  Or you (and everyone else) will simply buy the similar vehicle from a more experienced (foreign) manufacturer bankrupting the US company.  You can&#8217;t make Ford be Toyota or Toyota be Ford, but that seems to be what you want.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 00:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  The Economics of CAFE Note: There are two somewhat significant updates at the bottom, just before the Appendix. CAFE stands for Corporate [...] [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two reasons (other than short-sighted stupidity):

1) Sunk costs.  The US had invested significant plant/training in heavy vehicles.  Regulations reduced the value of past investments and/or required new investments.  Production lines for autos can easily have paybacks of 5+ years.

2) Market structure and competitive advantage.  If it were _just_ the US companies, they might have been less opposed to cafe.  However, US companies recovered from the Japanese onslaught by focusing on a new market segment (for SUVs and light trucks) that emerged as gas prices plummeted during the 1980s strong dollar era.  A cafe standard would have harmed the US companies relatively more than competitors who built better small cars (and had brands that owned the small car space).

US companies consistently and deliberately positioned themselves in the big car space.  Defenders of the big three have argued this is because they could not make money on small cars (because their labor costs exceeded foreign comapnies) and therefore needed to focus on the more profitable large vehicle segments.  These defenders will also note that the Big Three even delivered some small cars below total average cost in order to allow their fleet to meet CAFE standards.

So if I were an apologist for US automakers, I would say that unions drove up their costs of production to the point that they could only make money on profitable big cars and SUVs.  Thus, CAFE forced US automakers to sell small cars at a loss in order to permit sales of big profitable cars.

Except it wasn&#039;t so much labor rate costs, as health care costs and legacy costs (Japan has universal health care, and cost is lower per person in any case).  And this makes no mention of the competitive mess caused by dealer proliferation (and the out-of-control franchise system).  And the incredible ignorance, short term focus, and arrogance the big 3 exhibited for 30 straight years.  And, of course, US consumers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two reasons (other than short-sighted stupidity):</p>
<p>1) Sunk costs.  The US had invested significant plant/training in heavy vehicles.  Regulations reduced the value of past investments and/or required new investments.  Production lines for autos can easily have paybacks of 5+ years.</p>
<p>2) Market structure and competitive advantage.  If it were _just_ the US companies, they might have been less opposed to cafe.  However, US companies recovered from the Japanese onslaught by focusing on a new market segment (for SUVs and light trucks) that emerged as gas prices plummeted during the 1980s strong dollar era.  A cafe standard would have harmed the US companies relatively more than competitors who built better small cars (and had brands that owned the small car space).</p>
<p>US companies consistently and deliberately positioned themselves in the big car space.  Defenders of the big three have argued this is because they could not make money on small cars (because their labor costs exceeded foreign comapnies) and therefore needed to focus on the more profitable large vehicle segments.  These defenders will also note that the Big Three even delivered some small cars below total average cost in order to allow their fleet to meet CAFE standards.</p>
<p>So if I were an apologist for US automakers, I would say that unions drove up their costs of production to the point that they could only make money on profitable big cars and SUVs.  Thus, CAFE forced US automakers to sell small cars at a loss in order to permit sales of big profitable cars.</p>
<p>Except it wasn&#8217;t so much labor rate costs, as health care costs and legacy costs (Japan has universal health care, and cost is lower per person in any case).  And this makes no mention of the competitive mess caused by dealer proliferation (and the out-of-control franchise system).  And the incredible ignorance, short term focus, and arrogance the big 3 exhibited for 30 straight years.  And, of course, US consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The primary disadvantage to a fuel tax is its regressive structure.  It&#039;s not even proportional taxation.

Also, immediate implementation (along with obvious benefits) does create unanticipated economic shocks.  A better approach might be a phased-in tax increase, which gives consumers and businesses some lead time to plan for the change and alter their behavior accordingly.

Having said that, I do agree with your ranking of solutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The primary disadvantage to a fuel tax is its regressive structure.  It&#8217;s not even proportional taxation.</p>
<p>Also, immediate implementation (along with obvious benefits) does create unanticipated economic shocks.  A better approach might be a phased-in tax increase, which gives consumers and businesses some lead time to plan for the change and alter their behavior accordingly.</p>
<p>Having said that, I do agree with your ranking of solutions.</p>
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