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		<title>By: Option Pricing for Beginners</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-15183</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Option Pricing for Beginners]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 05:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] had two posts so far on the terms under which Treasury sold back to Old National the warrants on Old [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Option Pricing for Beginners &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-15177</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Option Pricing for Beginners &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 02:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] had two posts so far on the terms under which Treasury sold back to Old National the warrants on Old [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: q</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-15171</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[q]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 00:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes and 50 bps would be very cheap now.

still:

i would like the treasury to explain this publicly and not us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes and 50 bps would be very cheap now.</p>
<p>still:</p>
<p>i would like the treasury to explain this publicly and not us.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandrew</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-15150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 20:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[fair point on borrow cost (which is basically negative drift, just like dividends).  And in fact, this option is quite sensitive to drift, so borrow cost would drag-down the value considerably. e.g. a 50bps borrow cost would drop the value under my parameters to a fairly close approximation of what Treasury received.  

In other words, Wilson&#039;s (et al) objections seem like much ado about nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fair point on borrow cost (which is basically negative drift, just like dividends).  And in fact, this option is quite sensitive to drift, so borrow cost would drag-down the value considerably. e.g. a 50bps borrow cost would drop the value under my parameters to a fairly close approximation of what Treasury received.  </p>
<p>In other words, Wilson&#8217;s (et al) objections seem like much ado about nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kwak</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-15145</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Kwak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, but the dividend payments were way below-market. 5%?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but the dividend payments were way below-market. 5%?</p>
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		<title>By: q</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-15140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[q]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops -- wrong way on the vol.  sunny friday mistake.

strike the third sentence of my second paragraph.

in any case a private buyer would not pay theory value for it -- private buyers would want to be compensated for the risk (taking borrow rate into account is a decent proxy for this).

what i am thinking is that $1.2M is a low but feasible price for these options.

i have no idea though why the treasury saw fit to sell them and not hold to maturity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops &#8212; wrong way on the vol.  sunny friday mistake.</p>
<p>strike the third sentence of my second paragraph.</p>
<p>in any case a private buyer would not pay theory value for it &#8212; private buyers would want to be compensated for the risk (taking borrow rate into account is a decent proxy for this).</p>
<p>what i am thinking is that $1.2M is a low but feasible price for these options.</p>
<p>i have no idea though why the treasury saw fit to sell them and not hold to maturity.</p>
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		<title>By: q</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-15126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[q]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks.  i didn&#039;t know wolfram alpha could do this.

i think that 35% vol is very high for a 10 year option.   but there is no market for this so who knows.  right now the market would price in a very high cost of capital (which would show up as high vol, if you fix the risk free rate) and the treasury could but probably wouldn&#039;t.

at 25% vol the price is $2.05, which is still higher than the treasury number, but within the debatable level of difference.

likelihood of cancellation and dilution are not really modelable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks.  i didn&#8217;t know wolfram alpha could do this.</p>
<p>i think that 35% vol is very high for a 10 year option.   but there is no market for this so who knows.  right now the market would price in a very high cost of capital (which would show up as high vol, if you fix the risk free rate) and the treasury could but probably wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>at 25% vol the price is $2.05, which is still higher than the treasury number, but within the debatable level of difference.</p>
<p>likelihood of cancellation and dilution are not really modelable.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandrew</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-15123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[btw, here&#039;s my calc: http://www46.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=option&amp;a=*C.option-_*Formula.dflt-&amp;a=*FP.FinancialOption.OptionName-_VanillaEuropean&amp;a=*FP.FinancialOption.OptionType-_Call&amp;f4=18.45&amp;f=FinancialOption.StrikePrice_18.45&amp;f5=113+mo&amp;x=5&amp;y=5&amp;f=FinancialOption.TimeToExpiration_113+mo&amp;f6=14.7&amp;f=FinancialOption.UnderlyingPrice_14.7&amp;f7=35%25&amp;f=FinancialOption.Volatility_35%25&amp;f8=3.93%25&amp;f=FinancialOption.DividendYield_3.93%25&amp;f9=3.19%25&amp;f=FinancialOption.RiskFreeInterestRate_3.19%25&amp;a=*FVarOpt.1-_***FinancialOption.TimeToExpiration--.***FinancialOption.ExpirationDate-.*FinancialOption.CurrentDate---.*--]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, here&#8217;s my calc: <a href="http://www46.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=option&#038;a=*C.option-_*Formula.dflt-&#038;a=*FP.FinancialOption.OptionName-_VanillaEuropean&#038;a=*FP.FinancialOption.OptionType-_Call&#038;f4=18.45&#038;f=FinancialOption.StrikePrice_18.45&#038;f5=113+mo&#038;x=5&#038;y=5&#038;f=FinancialOption.TimeToExpiration_113+mo&#038;f6=14.7&#038;f=FinancialOption.UnderlyingPrice_14.7&#038;f7=35%25&#038;f=FinancialOption.Volatility_35%25&#038;f8=3.93%25&#038;f=FinancialOption.DividendYield_3.93%25&#038;f9=3.19%25&#038;f=FinancialOption.RiskFreeInterestRate_3.19%25&#038;a=*FVarOpt.1-_***FinancialOption.TimeToExpiration--.***FinancialOption.ExpirationDate-.*FinancialOption.CurrentDate---.*--" rel="nofollow">http://www46.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=option&#038;a=*C.option-_*Formula.dflt-&#038;a=*FP.FinancialOption.OptionName-_VanillaEuropean&#038;a=*FP.FinancialOption.OptionType-_Call&#038;f4=18.45&#038;f=FinancialOption.StrikePrice_18.45&#038;f5=113+mo&#038;x=5&#038;y=5&#038;f=FinancialOption.TimeToExpiration_113+mo&#038;f6=14.7&#038;f=FinancialOption.UnderlyingPrice_14.7&#038;f7=35%25&#038;f=FinancialOption.Volatility_35%25&#038;f8=3.93%25&#038;f=FinancialOption.DividendYield_3.93%25&#038;f9=3.19%25&#038;f=FinancialOption.RiskFreeInterestRate_3.19%25&#038;a=*FVarOpt.1-_***FinancialOption.TimeToExpiration&#8211;.***FinancialOption.ExpirationDate-.*FinancialOption.CurrentDate&#8212;.*&#8211;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sandrew</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-15122</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ignore page 16.  That model is not adjusting the drift for dividends, which very much matter.

Let&#039;s just price it up following the div-adjusted model (page 15 model) with the following inputs and see what we get:

Vol - I agree with q that the low-end vol is nearest to where the market would price these warrants.  35% seems reasonable to me.

DivYld - I think the high-end div assumption is too low for a long-term div yield. The mid-level div yield (which corresponds to average historic div yield) seems ok to me. 3.93%.

Likelihood of Cancellation -  Wilson&#039;s model assumes that the probability that the company will execute a qualifying equity issuance in 2009 (thus canceling half the warrants) is independent of the stock price. This is probably a poor assumption.  But I don&#039;t feel like building a simulation (not to mention making an uninformed correlation assumption), so I&#039;ll roll with this one.  Let&#039;s just go with the mid-level assumption that there&#039;s a 30% chance that half the warrants will disappear (deflating the expected number of warrants by 15%).

Risk-free rate: 3.19%.

This gives us $3.28 per option, which is twice what Treasury received.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignore page 16.  That model is not adjusting the drift for dividends, which very much matter.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just price it up following the div-adjusted model (page 15 model) with the following inputs and see what we get:</p>
<p>Vol &#8211; I agree with q that the low-end vol is nearest to where the market would price these warrants.  35% seems reasonable to me.</p>
<p>DivYld &#8211; I think the high-end div assumption is too low for a long-term div yield. The mid-level div yield (which corresponds to average historic div yield) seems ok to me. 3.93%.</p>
<p>Likelihood of Cancellation &#8211;  Wilson&#8217;s model assumes that the probability that the company will execute a qualifying equity issuance in 2009 (thus canceling half the warrants) is independent of the stock price. This is probably a poor assumption.  But I don&#8217;t feel like building a simulation (not to mention making an uninformed correlation assumption), so I&#8217;ll roll with this one.  Let&#8217;s just go with the mid-level assumption that there&#8217;s a 30% chance that half the warrants will disappear (deflating the expected number of warrants by 15%).</p>
<p>Risk-free rate: 3.19%.</p>
<p>This gives us $3.28 per option, which is twice what Treasury received.</p>
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		<title>By: Warrant Sales Could Cost Government $10 Billion</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-15121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warrant Sales Could Cost Government $10 Billion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] had to issue to Treasury in exchange for preferred stock investments under TARP. Pittman uses the Old National example as a benchmark: Old National paid $1.2 million to buy back warrants that he estimates at $5.8 [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] had to issue to Treasury in exchange for preferred stock investments under TARP. Pittman uses the Old National example as a benchmark: Old National paid $1.2 million to buy back warrants that he estimates at $5.8 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: q</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-15106</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[q]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i looked up the historical vol for ONB US Equity on bloomberg.  in the 2000-2006 time period the historical vol averaged 18.17 -- far below the 35 used in wilson&#039;s &quot;lowball&quot; estimate.  and at no point in the 2000-2006 time period did the 100-day moving average historical vol go above 27.5.  based on this, i think he should recompute his results.

there are other problems with the paper.  why is he not using the 10Y treasury as the risk free rate, as opposed to a short dated LIBOR?  also, how can he consider the low dividend assumption at all, given that this represents a situation where the bank remains distressed in which case the stock will remain low and the warrants will be worth very little?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i looked up the historical vol for ONB US Equity on bloomberg.  in the 2000-2006 time period the historical vol averaged 18.17 &#8212; far below the 35 used in wilson&#8217;s &#8220;lowball&#8221; estimate.  and at no point in the 2000-2006 time period did the 100-day moving average historical vol go above 27.5.  based on this, i think he should recompute his results.</p>
<p>there are other problems with the paper.  why is he not using the 10Y treasury as the risk free rate, as opposed to a short dated LIBOR?  also, how can he consider the low dividend assumption at all, given that this represents a situation where the bank remains distressed in which case the stock will remain low and the warrants will be worth very little?</p>
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		<title>By: Warrant Sales Could Cost Government $10 Billion &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warrant Sales Could Cost Government $10 Billion &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] had to issue to Treasury in exchange for preferred stock investments under TARP. Pittman uses the Old National example as a benchmark: Old National paid $1.2 million to buy back warrants that he estimates at $5.8 [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: q</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[q]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 01:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[not a bad analysis.

one beef.  i would guess his volatility estimates are too high, even in the low case.

the volatility seems to be pretty high -- the low volatility estimate of 37% suggests that this is a volatile stock.

the high volatility estimate -- 80+% is sheer nonsense.  no stock in the world is going to have 80% volatility for ten years.

the methodology for choosing the middle volatility is not correct.  he is using volatility from a very short dated option to price a ten year option.  the observed (ie implied) volatility of a long dated option is generally much lower than the volatility of a short dated option.

in reality though there are very very few ten year options in the marketplace, and nobody would know for sure the price through a formula.  instruments like these often trade at large discounts to the model.  the only way to find out is, like nemo suggested, to sell some of them and see what bids you get.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not a bad analysis.</p>
<p>one beef.  i would guess his volatility estimates are too high, even in the low case.</p>
<p>the volatility seems to be pretty high &#8212; the low volatility estimate of 37% suggests that this is a volatile stock.</p>
<p>the high volatility estimate &#8212; 80+% is sheer nonsense.  no stock in the world is going to have 80% volatility for ten years.</p>
<p>the methodology for choosing the middle volatility is not correct.  he is using volatility from a very short dated option to price a ten year option.  the observed (ie implied) volatility of a long dated option is generally much lower than the volatility of a short dated option.</p>
<p>in reality though there are very very few ten year options in the marketplace, and nobody would know for sure the price through a formula.  instruments like these often trade at large discounts to the model.  the only way to find out is, like nemo suggested, to sell some of them and see what bids you get.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 00:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  First Buy High; Then Sell Low On Monday last week, Old National Bancorp bought back the warrants it had granted Treasury as part of its participation [...] [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: ella</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/19/tarp-warrant-pricing-old-national/#comment-14965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So.  Here&#039;s a way for the taxpayer to recovery their investment.  We simply apply the business practices of bankers, insurers and credit card companies who always claim that we must pay more for their services because they have lost money. 

The Treasury and FED should start charging fees to all the participants in their various programs to make up for the money the Treasury has lost.  Another way to recoup the losses is to charge a transaction fee on all stock, commodity, and derivative trades.  Imagine how much a 2% fee would bring into the Treasury.


There is no reason for the taxpayers to get stuck with the bill for these bailouts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So.  Here&#8217;s a way for the taxpayer to recovery their investment.  We simply apply the business practices of bankers, insurers and credit card companies who always claim that we must pay more for their services because they have lost money. </p>
<p>The Treasury and FED should start charging fees to all the participants in their various programs to make up for the money the Treasury has lost.  Another way to recoup the losses is to charge a transaction fee on all stock, commodity, and derivative trades.  Imagine how much a 2% fee would bring into the Treasury.</p>
<p>There is no reason for the taxpayers to get stuck with the bill for these bailouts.</p>
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