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		<title>By: Straight Up Stress Tests : Bizzia - Business News and Commentary - Finance and Business Tips</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13616</link>
		<dc:creator>Straight Up Stress Tests : Bizzia - Business News and Commentary - Finance and Business Tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 10:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Baseline Scenario looked at the stress tests from a PR spin perspective. The public relations campaign packaging the bank stress tests is kicking into high gear and our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Grading the Banks’ Stress Test &#124; Politics News</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13551</link>
		<dc:creator>Grading the Banks’ Stress Test &#124; Politics News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 16:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out this week (and the documents of this firm read increasingly like official policy statements) makes the point clearly — big banks will earn their way back to solvency through exercising their greater market power [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out this week (and the documents of this firm read increasingly like official policy statements) makes the point clearly — big banks will earn their way back to solvency through exercising their greater market power [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Friday: Free Milk and a Cow- Reprise &#171; The Confluence</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13514</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday: Free Milk and a Cow- Reprise &#171; The Confluence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 11:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] off the table, the administration is betting that the financial system will repair itself – or “earn their way out,” as StatsGuy put [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ForehandedWa.Com - Strategy for Washington State with State Rep. Larry Seaquist</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13414</link>
		<dc:creator>ForehandedWa.Com - Strategy for Washington State with State Rep. Larry Seaquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m not the only skeptic watching this pre-cooked drama.  Here&#8217;s Simon Johnson of Baseline Scenario with a bit more insight on the Geithner message [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Is Everyone Confused Yet? (Bank Stress Tests) &#124; EthicalMarkets.com</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13397</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Everyone Confused Yet? (Bank Stress Tests) &#124; EthicalMarkets.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Baseline Scenario Posted: 06 May 2009 05:55 AM PDT [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jamessandlin</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13395</link>
		<dc:creator>jamessandlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Could have not said it better</description>
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		<title>By: q</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13376</link>
		<dc:creator>q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, i get it now, and looking at long term swap rates and today&#039;s treasury sale i can see what you are saying.  inflation expectations are in -- check.  if inflation is realized we will have a poor environment for banks as the yield curve flattens.  

however, if inflation takes hold presumably asset prices will have recovered and probably the economy will have recovered as well as people will be encouraged to chase yield.  this means that the banks will be facing credit losses that are lower in future real terms.  the high estimates that i have seen (estimates of the &quot;banks need $1 trillion in new capital over the next three years&quot;) all assume credit losses on the level of the great depression.  these estimates have, i am sure, an assumption of deflation baked into them.

the push to refinance mortgages should also reduce losses due to default.

as a side note, also note that the fed stress tests only go out to the end of 2010 and most of the &quot;$1 trillion&quot; style estimates go out until mid 2012 or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, i get it now, and looking at long term swap rates and today&#8217;s treasury sale i can see what you are saying.  inflation expectations are in &#8212; check.  if inflation is realized we will have a poor environment for banks as the yield curve flattens.  </p>
<p>however, if inflation takes hold presumably asset prices will have recovered and probably the economy will have recovered as well as people will be encouraged to chase yield.  this means that the banks will be facing credit losses that are lower in future real terms.  the high estimates that i have seen (estimates of the &#8220;banks need $1 trillion in new capital over the next three years&#8221;) all assume credit losses on the level of the great depression.  these estimates have, i am sure, an assumption of deflation baked into them.</p>
<p>the push to refinance mortgages should also reduce losses due to default.</p>
<p>as a side note, also note that the fed stress tests only go out to the end of 2010 and most of the &#8220;$1 trillion&#8221; style estimates go out until mid 2012 or so.</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>StatsGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long term inflation expectations.  Fed QE is perceived as a signal of inflationary pressure down the road (whether or not that materializes is a big debate).  The amount of debt the Fed is buying is not actually large enough to materially meet the federal governments needs, however.  In fact, the 600 billion is less than the stimulus bill alone, let alone the normal operating deficit of the federal govt.

So there are two effects of QE on t-bill rates:  direct effect (increasing demand, bidding up t-bill prices, and lowering t-bill rates), and indirect effect (by altering inflation expectations).  The second appears to be dominating.

Also, note that the non-t-bill long term rates (the stuff the Fed is not directly buying or supporting through its various programs) are also impacted by both effects.

If QE were to decrease the yield on govt. bonds, this would presumably push some money out of govt. bonds into other long term bonds, thus dropping rates.  (a substitution effect)  But again, the inflation expectation effect appears to be slowly dominating.

(Also, there is a huge demand for refinancing into long term mortgages right now - I suspect that the govt. is deliberately holding rates low for a period of time to shift people into long term mortgages from ARMs and flex-rate mortgages.  Obama has directly signalled as much:
http://article.wn.com/view/2009/04/10/Obama_says_timing_right_for_millions_to_refinance_e/ )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long term inflation expectations.  Fed QE is perceived as a signal of inflationary pressure down the road (whether or not that materializes is a big debate).  The amount of debt the Fed is buying is not actually large enough to materially meet the federal governments needs, however.  In fact, the 600 billion is less than the stimulus bill alone, let alone the normal operating deficit of the federal govt.</p>
<p>So there are two effects of QE on t-bill rates:  direct effect (increasing demand, bidding up t-bill prices, and lowering t-bill rates), and indirect effect (by altering inflation expectations).  The second appears to be dominating.</p>
<p>Also, note that the non-t-bill long term rates (the stuff the Fed is not directly buying or supporting through its various programs) are also impacted by both effects.</p>
<p>If QE were to decrease the yield on govt. bonds, this would presumably push some money out of govt. bonds into other long term bonds, thus dropping rates.  (a substitution effect)  But again, the inflation expectation effect appears to be slowly dominating.</p>
<p>(Also, there is a huge demand for refinancing into long term mortgages right now &#8211; I suspect that the govt. is deliberately holding rates low for a period of time to shift people into long term mortgages from ARMs and flex-rate mortgages.  Obama has directly signalled as much:<br />
<a href="http://article.wn.com/view/2009/04/10/Obama_says_timing_right_for_millions_to_refinance_e/" rel="nofollow">http://article.wn.com/view/2009/04/10/Obama_says_timing_right_for_millions_to_refinance_e/</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: cottontrdr</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13330</link>
		<dc:creator>cottontrdr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No conflict of interest? You have to be kidding! Please read up on the triumvirate of Rubin, Summers and Geithner and their unholy alliance with Goldman Sachs. Goldman has been calling the shots for the past few administrations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No conflict of interest? You have to be kidding! Please read up on the triumvirate of Rubin, Summers and Geithner and their unholy alliance with Goldman Sachs. Goldman has been calling the shots for the past few administrations.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13327</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The administration has no idea of how to manage financial markets.  Spin, marketing and negotiation may all be fine and par for the course -- but the markets thrive on predictability and the appearance of good information and rational, actionable policy.  So, far we have none of that.  Worse, we don&#039;t even know who is in charge.  Impossible to have financial stability in this environment.  If you are going to spin it, spin it toward something that at least appears to be fair and rational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The administration has no idea of how to manage financial markets.  Spin, marketing and negotiation may all be fine and par for the course &#8212; but the markets thrive on predictability and the appearance of good information and rational, actionable policy.  So, far we have none of that.  Worse, we don&#8217;t even know who is in charge.  Impossible to have financial stability in this environment.  If you are going to spin it, spin it toward something that at least appears to be fair and rational.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13319</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 12:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put.  As you say it looks like the banks have done it again.  Somehow nobody within the upper echelons of the banking hierarchy ever seems to pay any price for the effects they cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put.  As you say it looks like the banks have done it again.  Somehow nobody within the upper echelons of the banking hierarchy ever seems to pay any price for the effects they cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Stress Tests and The Nationalization We Got &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13310</link>
		<dc:creator>Stress Tests and The Nationalization We Got &#171; The Baseline Scenario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 10:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is no evidence that shareholders or creditors will be forced to take losses. As rfreud said in a comment here, &#8220;The stress tests results are confidence-building in that they signal the low likelihood of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is no evidence that shareholders or creditors will be forced to take losses. As rfreud said in a comment here, &#8220;The stress tests results are confidence-building in that they signal the low likelihood of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: comet schmutz on the comet tail</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13306</link>
		<dc:creator>comet schmutz on the comet tail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 07:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>q,

I wonder about that. 

Hearing the concerns of men like Simon Johnson, Bill Black, Nouriel Roubini, etc., I became actively involved in some of the bailout protests - actually, quite a few of them, both on the left and the right, which was a novel experience for me, given that my type doesn&#039;t normally march in the street. I did this at no small cost to myself - I work in the F.I.R.E. sector. 

I&#039;m disappointed that Simon Johnson, while basking in the media&#039;s limelight, has failed to really embrace/support any of the grassroots movements that are involved in questioning the bailout. Look, having worked with several of them, I can understand his trepidation, but there&#039;s a larger failure going on here: 

None of the policy experts/economists/lawyers who have been so critical of TARP/PPIP/stress tests seem at all interested in working together to implement their &quot;Plan B.&quot; You know, a UNIFIED set of initiatives, given power and momentum by a UNIFIED group of dissenting economists. Which we the people (unshiny as we may be) can help them to implement, by rallying bipartisan public support for &quot;Plan B.&quot; 

Do they know something we don&#039;t? (Well, the average flea on a tick on a dog knows more than I do, but that&#039;s another matter.) What I mean is, if this is such a crisis, why aren&#039;t they providing necessary leadership?

Those of us on the ground can provide an enormous amount of muscle - we can organize, we can educate along the Simon Johnson points, we can raise money, we can mobilize voters, etc. - but without actual leadership from the experts, we&#039;re fighting a losing battle. A losing battle that men like Simon Johnson told us we couldn&#039;t afford to lose. So why the lack of leadership from the dissenting economists? 

Dr. Johnson, may I introduce you to Brooksley Born? I think it could be the beginning of a wonderful leadership duo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>q,</p>
<p>I wonder about that. </p>
<p>Hearing the concerns of men like Simon Johnson, Bill Black, Nouriel Roubini, etc., I became actively involved in some of the bailout protests &#8211; actually, quite a few of them, both on the left and the right, which was a novel experience for me, given that my type doesn&#8217;t normally march in the street. I did this at no small cost to myself &#8211; I work in the F.I.R.E. sector. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed that Simon Johnson, while basking in the media&#8217;s limelight, has failed to really embrace/support any of the grassroots movements that are involved in questioning the bailout. Look, having worked with several of them, I can understand his trepidation, but there&#8217;s a larger failure going on here: </p>
<p>None of the policy experts/economists/lawyers who have been so critical of TARP/PPIP/stress tests seem at all interested in working together to implement their &#8220;Plan B.&#8221; You know, a UNIFIED set of initiatives, given power and momentum by a UNIFIED group of dissenting economists. Which we the people (unshiny as we may be) can help them to implement, by rallying bipartisan public support for &#8220;Plan B.&#8221; </p>
<p>Do they know something we don&#8217;t? (Well, the average flea on a tick on a dog knows more than I do, but that&#8217;s another matter.) What I mean is, if this is such a crisis, why aren&#8217;t they providing necessary leadership?</p>
<p>Those of us on the ground can provide an enormous amount of muscle &#8211; we can organize, we can educate along the Simon Johnson points, we can raise money, we can mobilize voters, etc. &#8211; but without actual leadership from the experts, we&#8217;re fighting a losing battle. A losing battle that men like Simon Johnson told us we couldn&#8217;t afford to lose. So why the lack of leadership from the dissenting economists? </p>
<p>Dr. Johnson, may I introduce you to Brooksley Born? I think it could be the beginning of a wonderful leadership duo.</p>
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		<title>By: Quickthink &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hurry up and Do Nothing?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quickthink &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hurry up and Do Nothing?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 07:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the major concern of the Treasury&#8217;s critics. For example, Simon Johnson writes that this is all &#8220;spin&#8221;. Naked Capitalism thinks it is &#8220;Orwellian&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is the major concern of the Treasury&#8217;s critics. For example, Simon Johnson writes that this is all &#8220;spin&#8221;. Naked Capitalism thinks it is &#8220;Orwellian&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Taunter</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/05/06/is-everyone-confused-yet-bank-stress-tests/#comment-13299</link>
		<dc:creator>Taunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 05:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what happens when you let the banks negotiate the tests.  

If the FDIC bank seizure plan involves seizing the firm in complete secrecy on Friday night, and if secrecy is of sufficient value that it fired on WaMu a day early to cope with rumors, you would have hoped that the group appreciated the importance of not talking to the affected banks.

Unfortunately, this is what happens when you have the political team driving the technical team.  Rahm wants message testing (as though this were a direct mail campaign) and that means persistent leaks and trial balloons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what happens when you let the banks negotiate the tests.  </p>
<p>If the FDIC bank seizure plan involves seizing the firm in complete secrecy on Friday night, and if secrecy is of sufficient value that it fired on WaMu a day early to cope with rumors, you would have hoped that the group appreciated the importance of not talking to the affected banks.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this is what happens when you have the political team driving the technical team.  Rahm wants message testing (as though this were a direct mail campaign) and that means persistent leaks and trial balloons.</p>
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