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	<title>Comments on: Ben Bernanke: More Important Than The G20 Summit</title>
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		<title>By: China: Is Governor Zhou a Closet Bernanke-ite?</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/04/ben-bernanke-more-important-than-the-g20-summit/#comment-9574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[China: Is Governor Zhou a Closet Bernanke-ite?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] between the US and China which I did not really think about until I read a fascinating short piece by MIT’s Simon Johnson on his blog, more in reference to Europe but relevant nonetheless. China, [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Is Governor Zhou a closet Bernanke-ite?</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/04/ben-bernanke-more-important-than-the-g20-summit/#comment-9535</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Is Governor Zhou a closet Bernanke-ite?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] between the US and China which I did not really think about until I read a fascinating short piece by MIT’s Simon Johnson on his blog, more in reference to Europe but relevant nonetheless. China, [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Let's revoke the Federal Reserve Act</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Let's revoke the Federal Reserve Act]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hear-hear ER!  And don&#039;t forget, the Fed is a private entity with the blessing of our annointed non-representing representatives!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear-hear ER!  And don&#8217;t forget, the Fed is a private entity with the blessing of our annointed non-representing representatives!</p>
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		<title>By: Realtime: Inflation Prospects: The United States as an 'Emerging Economy'</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] we explained in our Washington Post article on April 5, we strongly support what Ben Bernanke is doing&#8212;there is a lot of uncertainty and the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Is the US Like an Emerging Economy? &#124; Contrarian Musings</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/04/ben-bernanke-more-important-than-the-g20-summit/#comment-9423</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Is the US Like an Emerging Economy? &#124; Contrarian Musings]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] also believes inflation could emerge quite quickly (via Base Line Scenario): As we explained in our Washington Post article yesterday, we strongly support what Ben Bernanke is doing - there is a lot of uncertainty and the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Mitch Gurney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitch Gurney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am surprised by those who state deflation is not in the numbers. Over the last 18 months, the U.S. has spent, loaned, guaranteed or committed an estimated $11.6 trillion (all borrowed of course) in an attempt to bail out failing companies, save Wall Street, and prevent an economic disaster. Yet, despite all this, per the latest Feds Flow of Funds report American households have lost $12.9 trillion in (paper) wealth. Nearly dollar for dollar and more, whatever the Fed pumps in pours out the back end. Millions have lost their jobs, or have seen their wages reduced. According to Case Shiller’s latest report the 10 and 20 city composite price indices indicate annual declines of 19.4% and 19% respectively. My home has fallen 50% in value. Recently the John Hancock Tower in New York, which sold in 2006 for $1.3 billion, sold on 3/31/2009 in a foreclosure auction for $660 million, nearly a 50% reduction. Oil prices have fallen from over $140 per barrel just a few months ago in July 2008 as well as other commodity prices have fallen. What am I missing here? In addition, recently while introducing his plan to deal with banks toxic assets Mr. Geithner stated “as a nation we borrowed too much and let our financial system take on irresponsible levels of risk.” This is of course a true assessment of our crisis. But how in all logic after making this assessment can the administration and Congress continue to follow in the footsteps of the Bush Administration and extend more credit and more leverage as a viable solution?  How is it possible for the cause to also be the solution? 

Dangerous Unintended Consequences: Banking White Paper
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/files/documents/banking-white-paper.pdf
Case-Shiller March Report
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/04/case-shiller-march-2009-analysis.html
Feds - Flow of Funds Report:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/z1.pdf
See page 112, Table; R.100 “Change in Net Worth of Households and Nonprofit Organizations” 
See Lines 10, 11, 12, 13, &amp; 14 - Total, Change in Net worth for Nation, see line 1
http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/03/hancock_tower_s.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised by those who state deflation is not in the numbers. Over the last 18 months, the U.S. has spent, loaned, guaranteed or committed an estimated $11.6 trillion (all borrowed of course) in an attempt to bail out failing companies, save Wall Street, and prevent an economic disaster. Yet, despite all this, per the latest Feds Flow of Funds report American households have lost $12.9 trillion in (paper) wealth. Nearly dollar for dollar and more, whatever the Fed pumps in pours out the back end. Millions have lost their jobs, or have seen their wages reduced. According to Case Shiller’s latest report the 10 and 20 city composite price indices indicate annual declines of 19.4% and 19% respectively. My home has fallen 50% in value. Recently the John Hancock Tower in New York, which sold in 2006 for $1.3 billion, sold on 3/31/2009 in a foreclosure auction for $660 million, nearly a 50% reduction. Oil prices have fallen from over $140 per barrel just a few months ago in July 2008 as well as other commodity prices have fallen. What am I missing here? In addition, recently while introducing his plan to deal with banks toxic assets Mr. Geithner stated “as a nation we borrowed too much and let our financial system take on irresponsible levels of risk.” This is of course a true assessment of our crisis. But how in all logic after making this assessment can the administration and Congress continue to follow in the footsteps of the Bush Administration and extend more credit and more leverage as a viable solution?  How is it possible for the cause to also be the solution? </p>
<p>Dangerous Unintended Consequences: Banking White Paper<br />
<a href="http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/files/documents/banking-white-paper.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/files/documents/banking-white-paper.pdf</a><br />
Case-Shiller March Report<br />
<a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/04/case-shiller-march-2009-analysis.html" rel="nofollow">http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/04/case-shiller-march-2009-analysis.html</a><br />
Feds &#8211; Flow of Funds Report:<br />
<a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/z1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/z1.pdf</a><br />
See page 112, Table; R.100 “Change in Net Worth of Households and Nonprofit Organizations”<br />
See Lines 10, 11, 12, 13, &amp; 14 &#8211; Total, Change in Net worth for Nation, see line 1<br />
<a href="http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/03/hancock_tower_s.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed2" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/03/hancock_tower_s.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed2</a></p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/04/ben-bernanke-more-important-than-the-g20-summit/#comment-9379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StatsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I agree, and I understand your point about the auto-correlative effects.  And about the behavioral aspects (which many sane people will agree have a good side to them).

In arguing that monetary stimulus is more critical than fiscal stimulus, neither I nor others (including, I think, the authors of this blog) mean to imply that fiscal stimulus is unnecessary in the current situation (particularly as rates have hit the zero bound).

The issue is this:

This crisis is _no longer just a credit crisis_.  It is a balance sheet crisis.  The economy has been running on debt-financed consumer spending.  That well has gone dry - consumers are tapped out, already suffering under massive debt, and the last refuge of debt-financing (home equity) is now not only gone, but actually negative.  Those consumers who could get credit and go on a buying binge don&#039;t want to do so (even though they secretly hope that everyone else goes on a buying binge so they can keep their jobs and build up their own savings).

Economists tell us that it will take 3+ years for consumers to dig out from this debt, but in the process what will keep the economy going (and keep those consumers employed)?

That is why I&#039;ve been arguing that recapitalizing banks and &quot;unfreezing credit&quot; has been a red herring from the beginning.  Perhaps necessary (that is debatable, since individuals with good credit have not had problems getting loans), but entirely insufficient.

The key is to restore spending power by lowering the debt burden, and for the US, this really means the debt burden on the middle class.

The only entity that has the power to do this is the government, and the government can do it in two ways:

Print money or Borrow money

Borrowing money will merely shift debt from private balance sheets to the public balance sheet.

Printing money is a tax on dollar-denominated wealth.

Borrowing money sucks capital out of the private sector into safe T-bills (bad).  Borrowing money creates huge obligations for future generation (bad).  Borrowing money from abroad keeps the dollar overvalued.

Printing money causes inflation (usually bad, but good when there is a risk of deflation and/or the goal is to devalue debt obligations).  Printing money also devalues the currency (usually bad, unless your international debt obligations are denominated in your own currency and your trade balance is negative).

The thing about printing money is that you still need to get it into the hands of people willing to spend it - one very easy way to do this would be to cut taxes by 50% for a couple years and pay for it by printing money (easy, but not necessarily good).  In effect, when the Treasury buys T-bills (QE) it is printing money to offset a tax increase.

Just because you can give money to someone who will spend it does not mean that you _should_.  Contrary to simplistic economic models, it _really matters how the money gets spent_!!

Will it get spent on imported cars, or building an effective IT infrastructure for the medical industry?

An alternative is to print money and spend it on specific social objectives that have been long neglected.

The great challenge to this is political - it is coming from people who are more concerned about preserving their accumulated individual wealth than getting the world economy moving.  These individuals will raise the following arguments:

1) They earned their fortunes by contributing great value to society .  Thus, they desserve their money and it&#039;s just fundamentally unfair to impose an inflation tax.

2) The inflation tax causes economic inefficiency...

News flash:  So does the property tax, and the wage tax, and the sales tax?

Why is a big work-tax better than a small wealth tax?

I would like to see data showing that a 3% inflation tax causes more inefficiency than a 35% wage tax.

3) If you tax wealth through inflation, then this will decrease the incentive to save.

In the short term, this argument is hokey because right now we need more spending and less saving.  In the long term it is a strong point - we can all hope the psychological lessons learned today will stick for a few decades.

4) Hyperinflation!  Scary.  Boooo!  Hyperinflation!

Uh, no.  Remember that point about our international debt being denominated in dollars?  We aren&#039;t living in Argentina.

5) Other countries won&#039;t loan us money!

Good - our currency will devalue until US companies stop outsourcing US jobs.

6) Printing money is evil and Un-American.  It will destroy the social fabric of the country and doom us all forever.

I would laugh, if it weren&#039;t for the fact that so many people believe these arguments and they are so obnoxiously loud (particularly on talk radio) that they tend to intimidate others into silence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree, and I understand your point about the auto-correlative effects.  And about the behavioral aspects (which many sane people will agree have a good side to them).</p>
<p>In arguing that monetary stimulus is more critical than fiscal stimulus, neither I nor others (including, I think, the authors of this blog) mean to imply that fiscal stimulus is unnecessary in the current situation (particularly as rates have hit the zero bound).</p>
<p>The issue is this:</p>
<p>This crisis is _no longer just a credit crisis_.  It is a balance sheet crisis.  The economy has been running on debt-financed consumer spending.  That well has gone dry &#8211; consumers are tapped out, already suffering under massive debt, and the last refuge of debt-financing (home equity) is now not only gone, but actually negative.  Those consumers who could get credit and go on a buying binge don&#8217;t want to do so (even though they secretly hope that everyone else goes on a buying binge so they can keep their jobs and build up their own savings).</p>
<p>Economists tell us that it will take 3+ years for consumers to dig out from this debt, but in the process what will keep the economy going (and keep those consumers employed)?</p>
<p>That is why I&#8217;ve been arguing that recapitalizing banks and &#8220;unfreezing credit&#8221; has been a red herring from the beginning.  Perhaps necessary (that is debatable, since individuals with good credit have not had problems getting loans), but entirely insufficient.</p>
<p>The key is to restore spending power by lowering the debt burden, and for the US, this really means the debt burden on the middle class.</p>
<p>The only entity that has the power to do this is the government, and the government can do it in two ways:</p>
<p>Print money or Borrow money</p>
<p>Borrowing money will merely shift debt from private balance sheets to the public balance sheet.</p>
<p>Printing money is a tax on dollar-denominated wealth.</p>
<p>Borrowing money sucks capital out of the private sector into safe T-bills (bad).  Borrowing money creates huge obligations for future generation (bad).  Borrowing money from abroad keeps the dollar overvalued.</p>
<p>Printing money causes inflation (usually bad, but good when there is a risk of deflation and/or the goal is to devalue debt obligations).  Printing money also devalues the currency (usually bad, unless your international debt obligations are denominated in your own currency and your trade balance is negative).</p>
<p>The thing about printing money is that you still need to get it into the hands of people willing to spend it &#8211; one very easy way to do this would be to cut taxes by 50% for a couple years and pay for it by printing money (easy, but not necessarily good).  In effect, when the Treasury buys T-bills (QE) it is printing money to offset a tax increase.</p>
<p>Just because you can give money to someone who will spend it does not mean that you _should_.  Contrary to simplistic economic models, it _really matters how the money gets spent_!!</p>
<p>Will it get spent on imported cars, or building an effective IT infrastructure for the medical industry?</p>
<p>An alternative is to print money and spend it on specific social objectives that have been long neglected.</p>
<p>The great challenge to this is political &#8211; it is coming from people who are more concerned about preserving their accumulated individual wealth than getting the world economy moving.  These individuals will raise the following arguments:</p>
<p>1) They earned their fortunes by contributing great value to society .  Thus, they desserve their money and it&#8217;s just fundamentally unfair to impose an inflation tax.</p>
<p>2) The inflation tax causes economic inefficiency&#8230;</p>
<p>News flash:  So does the property tax, and the wage tax, and the sales tax?</p>
<p>Why is a big work-tax better than a small wealth tax?</p>
<p>I would like to see data showing that a 3% inflation tax causes more inefficiency than a 35% wage tax.</p>
<p>3) If you tax wealth through inflation, then this will decrease the incentive to save.</p>
<p>In the short term, this argument is hokey because right now we need more spending and less saving.  In the long term it is a strong point &#8211; we can all hope the psychological lessons learned today will stick for a few decades.</p>
<p>4) Hyperinflation!  Scary.  Boooo!  Hyperinflation!</p>
<p>Uh, no.  Remember that point about our international debt being denominated in dollars?  We aren&#8217;t living in Argentina.</p>
<p>5) Other countries won&#8217;t loan us money!</p>
<p>Good &#8211; our currency will devalue until US companies stop outsourcing US jobs.</p>
<p>6) Printing money is evil and Un-American.  It will destroy the social fabric of the country and doom us all forever.</p>
<p>I would laugh, if it weren&#8217;t for the fact that so many people believe these arguments and they are so obnoxiously loud (particularly on talk radio) that they tend to intimidate others into silence.</p>
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		<title>By: Inflation Prospects In An Emerging Market, Like The U.S. &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/04/ben-bernanke-more-important-than-the-g20-summit/#comment-9355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Inflation Prospects In An Emerging Market, Like The U.S. &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TomT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TomT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 04:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[StatsGuy - your points are all well put, but I don&#039;t quite see your view about fiscal stimulus. It seems to me that there are time-series auto-correlative effects with regard to consumer spending: People (and consumption) simply don&#039;t &#039;snap back&#039;. They learn, sometimes painfully, and the resultant effects are with us, often for generations (not that this is all bad, by any means). Therefore, the marginal propensity to save may be permanently increased, as a sea-change in consumer behavior that throttles consumer spending even in the face of massive liquidity. In view of long-term effects, notwithstanding the pain and suffering of unemployment/underemployment, are we really wise to eschew fiscal stimulus? Might it not be better to advance a reasonably-efficient and broad-based jobs program to put some term into the consumer&#039;s thinking and break the cycle of fear?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StatsGuy &#8211; your points are all well put, but I don&#8217;t quite see your view about fiscal stimulus. It seems to me that there are time-series auto-correlative effects with regard to consumer spending: People (and consumption) simply don&#8217;t &#8216;snap back&#8217;. They learn, sometimes painfully, and the resultant effects are with us, often for generations (not that this is all bad, by any means). Therefore, the marginal propensity to save may be permanently increased, as a sea-change in consumer behavior that throttles consumer spending even in the face of massive liquidity. In view of long-term effects, notwithstanding the pain and suffering of unemployment/underemployment, are we really wise to eschew fiscal stimulus? Might it not be better to advance a reasonably-efficient and broad-based jobs program to put some term into the consumer&#8217;s thinking and break the cycle of fear?</p>
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		<title>By: Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Sees Currency Devaluation Coming &#124; But Then What</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Sees Currency Devaluation Coming &#124; But Then What]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] into driving their currencies lower then this begins to put the Fed in a box, doesn&#8217;t it? Simon Johnson  had a good post on why Bernanke&#8217;s expansionary monetary policy was the proper course. He [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: bw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is your argument that if the American congress is passing unconstituional laws and derogating its democratic responsibilities, that decisions affecting the future of the country should be turned over to an un-elected non-governmental official? Just  because you think his &quot;bold action&quot; is justified?

I think the implications of your view, if I understand it correctly, reflect a much more serious problem than whether Bernanke is correct or mistaken.  There are historical parallels which are extremely chilling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is your argument that if the American congress is passing unconstituional laws and derogating its democratic responsibilities, that decisions affecting the future of the country should be turned over to an un-elected non-governmental official? Just  because you think his &#8220;bold action&#8221; is justified?</p>
<p>I think the implications of your view, if I understand it correctly, reflect a much more serious problem than whether Bernanke is correct or mistaken.  There are historical parallels which are extremely chilling.</p>
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		<title>By: StatsGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StatsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 13:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for articulating the Friedmanomic position so clearly.  In solving this crisis, the two warring intellectual positions are:

1) A return to more/better govt. regulation (e.g. 50s and 60s)

2) Even greater dismantling of existing government influence over the economy (e.g. return to a gold standard, as existing in the Great Depression and earlier)

......

As to the Debt/GDP ratio, I have linked it multiple times.

I do factually question whether Greenspan (previously lauded as a hero by the free market) is the primary culprit.  Many things happened at the same time.  In modeling, we call this &quot;collinearity&quot; - meaning it&#039;s impossible to empirically identify which was the primary causal factor (or if multiple factors were required).  Was it repeal of Glass-Steagal?  Was it the govt-debt fueled booms of the 80s (under reagan) and early 2000&#039;s (under Bush II)?  Was it the strong dollar which killed out trade balance?  Or the decline in real median incomes, which forced an increase in debt to preserve consumption levels?  Or something else?

As to whether a restoration of govt. control over the money supply is better than a dismantling of govt. control over the money supply, I submit to you this question:

Was the world economy more stable and peaceful between 1800 and 1944 (the age of gold and mercantilism), or 1945-2008?

And as to the link between the Gold Standard and the Great Depression, note:

http://www.econ.berkeley.edu/~cromer/great_depression.pdf

There is a nice, short discussion.

And finally, to your assertion that the secret to better government is less government (or in the words of Reagan, government is not the solution but the problem)...

&quot;The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works — whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public&#039;s dollars will be held to account — to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day — because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.&quot;


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99590481]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for articulating the Friedmanomic position so clearly.  In solving this crisis, the two warring intellectual positions are:</p>
<p>1) A return to more/better govt. regulation (e.g. 50s and 60s)</p>
<p>2) Even greater dismantling of existing government influence over the economy (e.g. return to a gold standard, as existing in the Great Depression and earlier)</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>As to the Debt/GDP ratio, I have linked it multiple times.</p>
<p>I do factually question whether Greenspan (previously lauded as a hero by the free market) is the primary culprit.  Many things happened at the same time.  In modeling, we call this &#8220;collinearity&#8221; &#8211; meaning it&#8217;s impossible to empirically identify which was the primary causal factor (or if multiple factors were required).  Was it repeal of Glass-Steagal?  Was it the govt-debt fueled booms of the 80s (under reagan) and early 2000&#8242;s (under Bush II)?  Was it the strong dollar which killed out trade balance?  Or the decline in real median incomes, which forced an increase in debt to preserve consumption levels?  Or something else?</p>
<p>As to whether a restoration of govt. control over the money supply is better than a dismantling of govt. control over the money supply, I submit to you this question:</p>
<p>Was the world economy more stable and peaceful between 1800 and 1944 (the age of gold and mercantilism), or 1945-2008?</p>
<p>And as to the link between the Gold Standard and the Great Depression, note:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.econ.berkeley.edu/~cromer/great_depression.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.econ.berkeley.edu/~cromer/great_depression.pdf</a></p>
<p>There is a nice, short discussion.</p>
<p>And finally, to your assertion that the secret to better government is less government (or in the words of Reagan, government is not the solution but the problem)&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works — whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public&#8217;s dollars will be held to account — to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day — because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99590481" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99590481</a></p>
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		<title>By: septizoniom2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 10:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thank you for this interesting post.  have you been rading the monetarist thinking/theories/arguments at &quot;the money illusion&quot;.  worthwhile read going back at least 3 months.  one of the main points there is that the fed is being too timid.  so while you make the point that the fed must choose its current policy as the least worst, some others are making compelling arguments that in fact the fed is not doing enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for this interesting post.  have you been rading the monetarist thinking/theories/arguments at &#8220;the money illusion&#8221;.  worthwhile read going back at least 3 months.  one of the main points there is that the fed is being too timid.  so while you make the point that the fed must choose its current policy as the least worst, some others are making compelling arguments that in fact the fed is not doing enough.</p>
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		<title>By: maristi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maristi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 05:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The case for a central bank independent of the government and political posturing was made two weeks ago when the Congress was caught in a populist fit, passing ridiculous and unconstitutional laws and spooking everyone in the banking and business community.

In the midst of that Bernanke took bold action which you may or may not agree was the right medicine, but the markets received very well and helped change the narrative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The case for a central bank independent of the government and political posturing was made two weeks ago when the Congress was caught in a populist fit, passing ridiculous and unconstitutional laws and spooking everyone in the banking and business community.</p>
<p>In the midst of that Bernanke took bold action which you may or may not agree was the right medicine, but the markets received very well and helped change the narrative.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernanke and German stimulus &#171; All the dull stuff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 04:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 4, 2009   Simon Johnson makes an excellent point: Remember this.  If you run an expansionary fiscal policy (building bridges), I have an incentive [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 4, 2009   Simon Johnson makes an excellent point: Remember this.  If you run an expansionary fiscal policy (building bridges), I have an incentive [...]</p>
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