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		<title>By: The Importance of Battlefield Nuclear Weapons &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-12394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Importance of Battlefield Nuclear Weapons &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] been writing a lot about the game of chicken recently, most often in connection with the GM and Chrysler bailouts. On the Chrysler front, the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Bankers and their GOP friends battle American people, cont’d</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-11774</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bankers and their GOP friends battle American people, cont’d]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the bonds are currently trading, according to the Times&#8230; The banks are playing the ongoing game of chicken with the government, betting that the government will cave and give them a better deal rather than [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: &#8216; THE MISSED OPPORTUNITY,&#8217; by James Kwak at : baselinescenario .com. Easy &#38; informative read about what&#8217;s happening in the banking sector. So many powerful forces at work at the same time. UNCHARTED WATERS. &#171; Want Less Blog</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-11677</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8216; THE MISSED OPPORTUNITY,&#8217; by James Kwak at : baselinescenario .com. Easy &#38; informative read about what&#8217;s happening in the banking sector. So many powerful forces at work at the same time. UNCHARTED WATERS. &#171; Want Less Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] where the bonds are currently trading, according to the Times.* The banks are playing the ongoing game of chicken with the government, betting that the government will cave and give them a better deal rather than [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Chrysler Financial and others blackmailing taxpayers for looser restrictions &#171; Stocks Go Up. Stocks Go Down.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chrysler Financial and others blackmailing taxpayers for looser restrictions &#171; Stocks Go Up. Stocks Go Down.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] where the bonds are currently trading, according to the Times.* The banks are playing the ongoing game of chicken with the government, betting that the government will cave and give them a better deal rather than [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Missed Opportunity &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-11499</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Missed Opportunity &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-9487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rapier,

The vigilantes may have gone into retirement during the Clinton years in the US, but they certainly did not in Europe. They &#039;rode herd&#039; on monetary union and aggressively punished policies that were deemed lax by the standards imposed at Maastricht in either 1990 or 1991. They made their presence known right until 1999 when currencies were fixed intra europe. These vigilantes were far more aggressive than the crowd that &#039;played&#039; in the US at the time. 

again, pedantic yes - but now that we are down this path....

k]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rapier,</p>
<p>The vigilantes may have gone into retirement during the Clinton years in the US, but they certainly did not in Europe. They &#8216;rode herd&#8217; on monetary union and aggressively punished policies that were deemed lax by the standards imposed at Maastricht in either 1990 or 1991. They made their presence known right until 1999 when currencies were fixed intra europe. These vigilantes were far more aggressive than the crowd that &#8216;played&#8217; in the US at the time. </p>
<p>again, pedantic yes &#8211; but now that we are down this path&#8230;.</p>
<p>k</p>
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		<title>By: rapier</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-9484</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carville was referring to the bond vigilantes. A group that actually went into retirement the morning of the 87 crash, Black Monday. Rate on long bonds have never again been as high as on that morning. 

Through the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s as Freiedman&#039;s &#039;special&#039; monetarism took hold, I say &#039;special&#039; because it does not consider asset price increases to be inflation, an obsession with M&#039;s growth and Fed ease had continually sent bond yields higher. Admittedly there was a trend lower after the inflation died, but the vigilantes were always there to spank the authorities when money and credit were deems too loose. 

Then the market crashed on that morning and The Street saw God. Greenspan said he would supply any and all liquidity necessary and instead of killing bonds they took off. The rest is history. The Street figured out that real profits would come from endless and unlimited credit and monetary growth. Especially because they themselves would create it and direct it. 

Admittedly the vigilantes made a brief reappearance when Clinton came along, to serve a political purpose. The gist of which was the government must not borrow money and give it to Negroes. Once Clinton agreed, to that and everything else Rubin and The Street could think of the vigilantes went into retirement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carville was referring to the bond vigilantes. A group that actually went into retirement the morning of the 87 crash, Black Monday. Rate on long bonds have never again been as high as on that morning. </p>
<p>Through the 70&#8242;s and 80&#8242;s as Freiedman&#8217;s &#8216;special&#8217; monetarism took hold, I say &#8216;special&#8217; because it does not consider asset price increases to be inflation, an obsession with M&#8217;s growth and Fed ease had continually sent bond yields higher. Admittedly there was a trend lower after the inflation died, but the vigilantes were always there to spank the authorities when money and credit were deems too loose. </p>
<p>Then the market crashed on that morning and The Street saw God. Greenspan said he would supply any and all liquidity necessary and instead of killing bonds they took off. The rest is history. The Street figured out that real profits would come from endless and unlimited credit and monetary growth. Especially because they themselves would create it and direct it. </p>
<p>Admittedly the vigilantes made a brief reappearance when Clinton came along, to serve a political purpose. The gist of which was the government must not borrow money and give it to Negroes. Once Clinton agreed, to that and everything else Rubin and The Street could think of the vigilantes went into retirement.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Hutchens&#8217; Blog &#187; Weekly Twitter Updates</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-9352</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Hutchens&#8217; Blog &#187; Weekly Twitter Updates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 08:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] synopsis of game of chicken btw govt. &amp; auto co. bondholders: http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] synopsis of game of chicken btw govt. &amp; auto co. bondholders: <a href="http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/" rel="nofollow">http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The ghost of Lehman  past</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-9136</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The ghost of Lehman  past]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 05:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kindoflike the way Dick Fuld probaly got something REALLY BIG in return for staying quiet and letting all of wallstreet win the &quot;take out Lehman&quot; bet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kindoflike the way Dick Fuld probaly got something REALLY BIG in return for staying quiet and letting all of wallstreet win the &#8220;take out Lehman&#8221; bet?</p>
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		<title>By: Sajal</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-9126</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 02:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, I was listening to Bill Gross on CNBC and he explicitly states that PIMCO&#039;s exposure to the automakers bonds is &quot;minimal&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I was listening to Bill Gross on CNBC and he explicitly states that PIMCO&#8217;s exposure to the automakers bonds is &#8220;minimal&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Top Posts &#171; WordPress.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  The New Masters of the Universe Back in the early days of the Clinton administration, James Carville was credited with saying something like this: I [...] [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually James you are not wrong. Or we both are. Sherman McCoy was in fact a bond salesman, so neither a trader nor a holder! I have always taken the epithet to refer to an aggresive player in the bond market no matter whether his horizon was short or long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually James you are not wrong. Or we both are. Sherman McCoy was in fact a bond salesman, so neither a trader nor a holder! I have always taken the epithet to refer to an aggresive player in the bond market no matter whether his horizon was short or long.</p>
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		<title>By: adios amigos</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-9109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adios amigos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How many of the Masters actually hold these investments long term, James? You know, LONG term? Not many, if any. These bonds are viewed as &quot;product&quot;....held long term by &quot;the suckers&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many of the Masters actually hold these investments long term, James? You know, LONG term? Not many, if any. These bonds are viewed as &#8220;product&#8221;&#8230;.held long term by &#8220;the suckers&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kwak</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-9030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Kwak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought that &quot;masters of the universe&quot; referred to bond &lt;em&gt;traders&lt;/em&gt;, not bond holders. But I very well could be wrong about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that &#8220;masters of the universe&#8221; referred to bond <em>traders</em>, not bond holders. But I very well could be wrong about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Burke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/04/01/the-new-masters-of-the-universe/#comment-9027</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Burke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CDS?

If the buyers of GM debt bought cover, there is no way they do any deal for less than 100 cents/$. 
GM goes Ch 11, a credit event is triggered and the bond is made whole.
Enough with the testosterone of the bond holders--- they have insurance for this eventuality, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CDS?</p>
<p>If the buyers of GM debt bought cover, there is no way they do any deal for less than 100 cents/$.<br />
GM goes Ch 11, a credit event is triggered and the bond is made whole.<br />
Enough with the testosterone of the bond holders&#8212; they have insurance for this eventuality, no?</p>
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