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		<title>By: Why Bail Out Life Insurers? &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/29/structured-finance-for-beginners/#comment-10019</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why Bail Out Life Insurers? &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] see pp. 156-76 of the Hartford&#8217;s latest 10-K.) And we know that you could lose a lot of money investing in AAA-rated assets. If this does turn out to be a solvency crisis, then this could be the first page of a long [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Baseline Scenario, April 7, 2009 &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the crisis, concerns focused on structured securities (CDOs, CDOs-squared, etc.) that experienced disproportionate losses as default percentages on underlying assets increased. However, as the crisis has spread from the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: dont</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/29/structured-finance-for-beginners/#comment-9415</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi James: Brilliant piece.  We need follow up.    If you drill down to the references in the Harvard working paper you soon discover Ingo Fender at BIS who has been warning about the use of ratings on CDO&#039;s (let alone CDO squared). Apparently no one paid any attention.  We should open this up to bright sunlight if we want to prevent another catastrophe in the future. Otherwise, the really smart bankers will figure a way to game the system and beat the regulators in the future.  We taxpayers are going to bail out the system but no one will explain to the taxpayers in words they can understand what happened.  This is really about much more than a bunch of bad mortgages.   

To help shine a bright light,   I think it would be helpful to write about 2 items.  
1) How much of the toxic assets on bank balance sheets are CDO&#039;s? CDO squared?   How many had to be written down because of rating downgrades?
2) How much did the banks rely of CDS to protect them from rating failures?

While you&#039;re at it, try and explain to John Q public why he should allow banks to buy this stuff?  You could also talk about credit ratings.   I am hoping that somewhere along the line we will find a Richard Feynman (Challenger O ring disaster explained in simple terms by Nobel prize winning physicist who was also renowned as a teacher) who will explain &quot;how&quot; to regulate these markets.  Probably by outlawing many of the instruments (naked CDS?) currently being used.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James: Brilliant piece.  We need follow up.    If you drill down to the references in the Harvard working paper you soon discover Ingo Fender at BIS who has been warning about the use of ratings on CDO&#8217;s (let alone CDO squared). Apparently no one paid any attention.  We should open this up to bright sunlight if we want to prevent another catastrophe in the future. Otherwise, the really smart bankers will figure a way to game the system and beat the regulators in the future.  We taxpayers are going to bail out the system but no one will explain to the taxpayers in words they can understand what happened.  This is really about much more than a bunch of bad mortgages.   </p>
<p>To help shine a bright light,   I think it would be helpful to write about 2 items.<br />
1) How much of the toxic assets on bank balance sheets are CDO&#8217;s? CDO squared?   How many had to be written down because of rating downgrades?<br />
2) How much did the banks rely of CDS to protect them from rating failures?</p>
<p>While you&#8217;re at it, try and explain to John Q public why he should allow banks to buy this stuff?  You could also talk about credit ratings.   I am hoping that somewhere along the line we will find a Richard Feynman (Challenger O ring disaster explained in simple terms by Nobel prize winning physicist who was also renowned as a teacher) who will explain &#8220;how&#8221; to regulate these markets.  Probably by outlawing many of the instruments (naked CDS?) currently being used.</p>
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		<title>By: shivz</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/29/structured-finance-for-beginners/#comment-8900</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[adios amigos,
You should read the original, written by James, wherein the story begins with the production of &#039;stuff&#039;, namely, the construction of a house by Danny. The financial asset (360,000) was created on the basis of the buyer&#039;s future income and the market value of the produced &#039;stuff&#039;.
Now, the financial asset vanished, not becasue of Ponzi, but because Rusty and Danny reduced their spending by hoarding money. One of the collateral damages to the economy was that the poor Harry lost his job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>adios amigos,<br />
You should read the original, written by James, wherein the story begins with the production of &#8216;stuff&#8217;, namely, the construction of a house by Danny. The financial asset (360,000) was created on the basis of the buyer&#8217;s future income and the market value of the produced &#8216;stuff&#8217;.<br />
Now, the financial asset vanished, not becasue of Ponzi, but because Rusty and Danny reduced their spending by hoarding money. One of the collateral damages to the economy was that the poor Harry lost his job.</p>
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		<title>By: adios amigos</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/29/structured-finance-for-beginners/#comment-8887</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adios amigos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 04:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shivz,
In your analogy, I noticed that no one ever works for a living. Everyone just seems to have this &quot;manufactured&quot; money in their pocket. Where is this place where money just &quot;happens&quot;? It sure seemed like that house just SHOT up in value in your story. How can that happen....I dont get it. I&#039;m just a novice in all this fancy-schmancy finance stuff.....but I betcha that type of economy never has a happy ending....ya know? Seems like a huge, no-holes-barred Ponzi scheme to me, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shivz,<br />
In your analogy, I noticed that no one ever works for a living. Everyone just seems to have this &#8220;manufactured&#8221; money in their pocket. Where is this place where money just &#8220;happens&#8221;? It sure seemed like that house just SHOT up in value in your story. How can that happen&#8230;.I dont get it. I&#8217;m just a novice in all this fancy-schmancy finance stuff&#8230;..but I betcha that type of economy never has a happy ending&#8230;.ya know? Seems like a huge, no-holes-barred Ponzi scheme to me, no?</p>
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		<title>By: James Kwak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Kwak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Felix knows this stuff a lot better than I do. My first-order response is not that sophisticated: I think that the models (whatever the math was behind them) were based on data from one state of the world - a state in which housing prices did not fall across the board, and when they did it was only in specific areas, so if you were geographically diversified you were OK. These models were then applied to a new state of the world, in which housing prices behaved differently.

My second thought is that people&#039;s choice of models was affected by their incentives - either to rate the securities or to sell them. I don&#039;t know how many end investors - the people with the incentive to be skeptical - were really re-analyzing all of the underlying mortgages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix knows this stuff a lot better than I do. My first-order response is not that sophisticated: I think that the models (whatever the math was behind them) were based on data from one state of the world &#8211; a state in which housing prices did not fall across the board, and when they did it was only in specific areas, so if you were geographically diversified you were OK. These models were then applied to a new state of the world, in which housing prices behaved differently.</p>
<p>My second thought is that people&#8217;s choice of models was affected by their incentives &#8211; either to rate the securities or to sell them. I don&#8217;t know how many end investors &#8211; the people with the incentive to be skeptical &#8211; were really re-analyzing all of the underlying mortgages.</p>
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		<title>By: shivz</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/29/structured-finance-for-beginners/#comment-8845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shivz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NOT FOR PUBLICATION!

Dear James,

Sorry to bother you with this. 

Unfortunately, I have seen your &quot;Where did all the money go?&quot; (Financial crisis for beginners) only few weeks ago. I started then to write (off and on) this comment, but now found the subject closed. 

Anyway, I hope you will read this comment. And… many thanks for your most instructive exposition.

Apart from the fact (pointed out most aptly by Justin, November 13, 2008) that you have physically destroyed, by a stroke of a pen, the $200,000 bills paid by Danny to some landowner (call him Rusty), I am afraid that you detrimentally mixed money with financial assets. To my mind, money is a claim on what you call &#039;stuff&#039; (e.g., bread or a… house), whereas financial asset is a claim on money. In more than one way, money and financial assets are worlds apart.

Thus, if we don&#039;t forget the 200,000 paid by Developer Danny to Landowner Rusty, the total amount of money &#039;in the world&#039; after the initial transaction is the same $600,000 (200,000 with Rusty and 400,000 with Danny). 

In fact, this  answers, literally, also the question &quot;where did all the money go?&quot;: money that was Danny&#039;s (200,000) went to Rusty; money that was Homebuyer Harry&#039;s (40,000) went to Danny and money that was Banker Bonnie&#039;s (360,000) went to Harry and then to Danny. Total: 600,000 dollars – in time one as well as time two.
[By the way, you do not inform us what, if anything, Rusty and Danny did with their money, but I shall come to that later.] 

However, consequent upon the house transaction, a newly created financial asset came into being, with face value of $360,000, owned by Banker Bonnie and being, in fact, a promise-to-pay made by Harry on the basis of his future income, backed by the market value of the house [cash transferred on the basis of future-income is the heart of the economic action, but out of context here]. 

Now, according to your perception, the total amount of money in time one would be $1,000,000 (or your $800,000 plus Rusty&#039;s 200,000), i.e., a total purchasing power of one million dollars. But this is totally wrong. 

Assume, for example, that immediately after Harry&#039;s house deal, a new player, John, asked Bonnie for a loan. Given John&#039;s excellent record, steady income and solid collateral, this would have been the ideal business for Bonnie who has, according to you, $360,000. But, alas, Bonnie cannot make the deal – not because of regulations, but, simply, because she does not have a cent (at least at the beginning of time one). What she does have is a &#039;promise-to-pay&#039;, plus an access to Harry&#039;s house.
Therefore, the financial holdings in your time one is as follows:
Rusty:  $200,000 cash (i.e., money);
Danny: $ 400,000 cash (i.e., money);
Bonnie: promise-to-pay $360,000 (i.e., financial asset);
(Harry&#039;s ownership of 10% of the house is neither money nor financial asset).

However, Bonnie could still make the desired deal with John, if she issued a bond backed by Harry&#039;s promise, but even then, she would have to find someone with money to purchase her bond if she wanted to accommodate John. 

In short, if purchasing power is the main attribute and ultimate measure of money, financial asset is the opposite of money. You can convert a &#039;promise-to-pay&#039; into money, provided that someone would be willing to part with cash [in fact, you hold the &#039;promise&#039; because, in the first place, money that was yours was transferred, by yourself, to others].

Comes the crash. 
The only possible &#039;endogenous&#039; cause of the crash in your $600,000 economy (or $800,000 if you insist), is that Danny and Rusty (the only people with money at the beginning of time one!) reduced, for whatever reason, their spending level, so that part of their $600,000 was hoarded. [If we were allowed to assume &#039;other banks&#039;, then part of the boys&#039; cash would have ended up as idle balances in those other banks, because the guys with good record would not want to increase their obligations, and, on the other hand, the banks won&#039;t lend, anymore, to sub-prime guys).

Now, following your narrative, Harry stopped paying, and Bonnie found out that the value of the house dropped to $300,000. How did she find out about the value? Most probably, someone with cash made her an offer.
However, looking back at the financial account we made for time one, what transpired in time two was that Bonnie&#039;s financial asset of $360,000 was obliterated and, instead, she (plus her own creditors) owned now a house for which people with money offered 300,000.

In other words, nothing &#039;bad&#039; happened to the money (600,000) in those periods (if anything, its value in term of &#039;stuff&#039; went up!). What has changed was the volume of the claims on money. In your economy, all such claims were annihilated, because Harry&#039;s income could not fulfill his obligation. The vital mechanism of transferring cash against promises, without which no economic action can take place, collapsed.]]></description>
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<p>Dear James,</p>
<p>Sorry to bother you with this. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I have seen your &#8220;Where did all the money go?&#8221; (Financial crisis for beginners) only few weeks ago. I started then to write (off and on) this comment, but now found the subject closed. </p>
<p>Anyway, I hope you will read this comment. And… many thanks for your most instructive exposition.</p>
<p>Apart from the fact (pointed out most aptly by Justin, November 13, 2008) that you have physically destroyed, by a stroke of a pen, the $200,000 bills paid by Danny to some landowner (call him Rusty), I am afraid that you detrimentally mixed money with financial assets. To my mind, money is a claim on what you call &#8216;stuff&#8217; (e.g., bread or a… house), whereas financial asset is a claim on money. In more than one way, money and financial assets are worlds apart.</p>
<p>Thus, if we don&#8217;t forget the 200,000 paid by Developer Danny to Landowner Rusty, the total amount of money &#8216;in the world&#8217; after the initial transaction is the same $600,000 (200,000 with Rusty and 400,000 with Danny). </p>
<p>In fact, this  answers, literally, also the question &#8220;where did all the money go?&#8221;: money that was Danny&#8217;s (200,000) went to Rusty; money that was Homebuyer Harry&#8217;s (40,000) went to Danny and money that was Banker Bonnie&#8217;s (360,000) went to Harry and then to Danny. Total: 600,000 dollars – in time one as well as time two.<br />
[By the way, you do not inform us what, if anything, Rusty and Danny did with their money, but I shall come to that later.] </p>
<p>However, consequent upon the house transaction, a newly created financial asset came into being, with face value of $360,000, owned by Banker Bonnie and being, in fact, a promise-to-pay made by Harry on the basis of his future income, backed by the market value of the house [cash transferred on the basis of future-income is the heart of the economic action, but out of context here]. </p>
<p>Now, according to your perception, the total amount of money in time one would be $1,000,000 (or your $800,000 plus Rusty&#8217;s 200,000), i.e., a total purchasing power of one million dollars. But this is totally wrong. </p>
<p>Assume, for example, that immediately after Harry&#8217;s house deal, a new player, John, asked Bonnie for a loan. Given John&#8217;s excellent record, steady income and solid collateral, this would have been the ideal business for Bonnie who has, according to you, $360,000. But, alas, Bonnie cannot make the deal – not because of regulations, but, simply, because she does not have a cent (at least at the beginning of time one). What she does have is a &#8216;promise-to-pay&#8217;, plus an access to Harry&#8217;s house.<br />
Therefore, the financial holdings in your time one is as follows:<br />
Rusty:  $200,000 cash (i.e., money);<br />
Danny: $ 400,000 cash (i.e., money);<br />
Bonnie: promise-to-pay $360,000 (i.e., financial asset);<br />
(Harry&#8217;s ownership of 10% of the house is neither money nor financial asset).</p>
<p>However, Bonnie could still make the desired deal with John, if she issued a bond backed by Harry&#8217;s promise, but even then, she would have to find someone with money to purchase her bond if she wanted to accommodate John. </p>
<p>In short, if purchasing power is the main attribute and ultimate measure of money, financial asset is the opposite of money. You can convert a &#8216;promise-to-pay&#8217; into money, provided that someone would be willing to part with cash [in fact, you hold the 'promise' because, in the first place, money that was yours was transferred, by yourself, to others].</p>
<p>Comes the crash.<br />
The only possible &#8216;endogenous&#8217; cause of the crash in your $600,000 economy (or $800,000 if you insist), is that Danny and Rusty (the only people with money at the beginning of time one!) reduced, for whatever reason, their spending level, so that part of their $600,000 was hoarded. [If we were allowed to assume &#8216;other banks&#8217;, then part of the boys&#8217; cash would have ended up as idle balances in those other banks, because the guys with good record would not want to increase their obligations, and, on the other hand, the banks won&#8217;t lend, anymore, to sub-prime guys).</p>
<p>Now, following your narrative, Harry stopped paying, and Bonnie found out that the value of the house dropped to $300,000. How did she find out about the value? Most probably, someone with cash made her an offer.<br />
However, looking back at the financial account we made for time one, what transpired in time two was that Bonnie&#8217;s financial asset of $360,000 was obliterated and, instead, she (plus her own creditors) owned now a house for which people with money offered 300,000.</p>
<p>In other words, nothing &#8216;bad&#8217; happened to the money (600,000) in those periods (if anything, its value in term of &#8216;stuff&#8217; went up!). What has changed was the volume of the claims on money. In your economy, all such claims were annihilated, because Harry&#8217;s income could not fulfill his obligation. The vital mechanism of transferring cash against promises, without which no economic action can take place, collapsed.</p>
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		<title>By: So you wanna understand the CDO ratings mess&#8230; &#171; Vaughn Koch&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-03-31 at DeStructUred Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[links for 2009-03-31 at DeStructUred Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Economic Darwinism</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not suggesting that the reason CDOs should be shunned is that they are susceptible to tail risk. As you note, every security is susceptible to tail risk. I&#039;m suggesting that the design of CDOs AMPLIFIES tail risk. In fact, all of the risk of a CDO IS tail risk. Most of the time they make money but during a tail event they can lose everything. This aspect makes them blind to risk systems and I would argue was one of the drivers of their popularity in the first place (which happened to coincide with the proliferation of VaR systems).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that the reason CDOs should be shunned is that they are susceptible to tail risk. As you note, every security is susceptible to tail risk. I&#8217;m suggesting that the design of CDOs AMPLIFIES tail risk. In fact, all of the risk of a CDO IS tail risk. Most of the time they make money but during a tail event they can lose everything. This aspect makes them blind to risk systems and I would argue was one of the drivers of their popularity in the first place (which happened to coincide with the proliferation of VaR systems).</p>
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		<title>By: adios amigos</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what the Wizards Of Finance in the US needed to incorporate into their financial models? The &quot;Integrity&quot; factor. Back in the day, before the current group of complete idiots took over, lending decisions were very simple. 1. Ability to pay (debt to income) 2. Intent to pay (credit rating) 3. Equity (down payment). 4. Stability of the collateral (appreciation / depreciation) These were the major criteria that went into the decision to lend, or not. All of you Titans Of Finance over there in America, may want to go back to the old way of doing things, you know, like ONLY lend money to people who can actually repay it, and don&#039;t bribe the ratings agencies. But.....you can&#039;t do that, can you? That requires being honest.....so, that&#039;s out of the question. YOUR DONE OVER THERE, WE&quot;RE ONTO YOUR BS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what the Wizards Of Finance in the US needed to incorporate into their financial models? The &#8220;Integrity&#8221; factor. Back in the day, before the current group of complete idiots took over, lending decisions were very simple. 1. Ability to pay (debt to income) 2. Intent to pay (credit rating) 3. Equity (down payment). 4. Stability of the collateral (appreciation / depreciation) These were the major criteria that went into the decision to lend, or not. All of you Titans Of Finance over there in America, may want to go back to the old way of doing things, you know, like ONLY lend money to people who can actually repay it, and don&#8217;t bribe the ratings agencies. But&#8230;..you can&#8217;t do that, can you? That requires being honest&#8230;..so, that&#8217;s out of the question. YOUR DONE OVER THERE, WE&#8221;RE ONTO YOUR BS</p>
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		<title>By: babar</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no matter what you do, there is always the possibility of a tail events.  there is always something that can happen that will blow up the financial sector.  

what if, say, AIDS had killed the same proportion of the young to middle aged, educated, professional class in the US as it did in, say, Botswana?  every insurance company would have gone bankrupt without a bailout.  there&#039;s really no way you can tell me that this is a fanciful story and it couldn&#039;t have happened that way.  it didn&#039;t, but it certainly could have. 

my point is that tail events happen, and you can&#039;t prepare for every contingency.

your logic is that if tail events can blow up cdos then you shouldn&#039;t use cdos.  my point is that you can&#039;t avoid tail events; you are stuck with tail events.  you can do a much better job of estimating their probability and the damage they will cause.  you should try to limit the scale.  but you shouldn&#039;t just throw out structured finance because of this very bad cycle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no matter what you do, there is always the possibility of a tail events.  there is always something that can happen that will blow up the financial sector.  </p>
<p>what if, say, AIDS had killed the same proportion of the young to middle aged, educated, professional class in the US as it did in, say, Botswana?  every insurance company would have gone bankrupt without a bailout.  there&#8217;s really no way you can tell me that this is a fanciful story and it couldn&#8217;t have happened that way.  it didn&#8217;t, but it certainly could have. </p>
<p>my point is that tail events happen, and you can&#8217;t prepare for every contingency.</p>
<p>your logic is that if tail events can blow up cdos then you shouldn&#8217;t use cdos.  my point is that you can&#8217;t avoid tail events; you are stuck with tail events.  you can do a much better job of estimating their probability and the damage they will cause.  you should try to limit the scale.  but you shouldn&#8217;t just throw out structured finance because of this very bad cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadine M</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the reference to the paper. It finally makes clear something I&#039;d been trying to understand. I&#039;m not an economist, but I read your blog daily and am impressed by your explanations, candor, and willingness to hear our opinions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reference to the paper. It finally makes clear something I&#8217;d been trying to understand. I&#8217;m not an economist, but I read your blog daily and am impressed by your explanations, candor, and willingness to hear our opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: econodarwinism</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/29/structured-finance-for-beginners/#comment-8691</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Patrick,

Unfortunately, what you say is what people believed going into the crisis and is partly responsible for the mess we&#039;re in.

There are a couple different aspects. One that the paper does not address (it is a good paper, but clearly coming from the &quot;Ivory Tower&quot;) is the fact that many investors lost their shirts due to liquidation clauses. That is, once the principal in the pool drops to a certain level, the entire structure is forced to dissolve.

I haven&#039;t seen the detailed mathematical formulation James et al used, but I&#039;m pretty sure (based on the use of the word &quot;correlation&quot;) they assumed normal distributions. So a second aspect to the crisis is RISK MANAGEMENT. Trading desks at the big banks are allocated capital according to some risk model that calculates value at risk (VaR). VaR defines a &quot;boundary&quot; of losses whereby any loss greater than &quot;VaR&quot; is considered a &quot;tail event&quot;. VaR does not tell you anything about how much you may lose if a tail event happens, it merely gives a number specifying the boundary where beyond &quot;there be dragons&quot;. So it would be MAGICAL if traders could somehow find a security where all the risk was in the tails because risk models based on VaR would be blind to such a security. Enter CDOs. CDOs represent a blind spot to risk management systems. As such, CDO desks were allocated capital way beyond anything that was sensible because the risk models were insensitive to the tail events that would cause a CDO to lose money.

I haven&#039;t spent enough time de-constructing these CDO models because I saw how ridiculous they were and moved on to other things. Maybe it is time I did. Any CDO model that does not properly model the tails, e.g. anything that assumes normal distributions, is pretty much a bogus model that should be disregarded. A CDO is a &quot;tail event&quot; security and if the model does not properly handle tail events, it is not a proper model of a CDO. How do you model tail events? Some would say you can&#039;t, in which case, you cannot model CDOs. Hence CDOs should stay out of any responsible asset manager&#039;s portfolio.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patrick,</p>
<p>Unfortunately, what you say is what people believed going into the crisis and is partly responsible for the mess we&#8217;re in.</p>
<p>There are a couple different aspects. One that the paper does not address (it is a good paper, but clearly coming from the &#8220;Ivory Tower&#8221;) is the fact that many investors lost their shirts due to liquidation clauses. That is, once the principal in the pool drops to a certain level, the entire structure is forced to dissolve.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the detailed mathematical formulation James et al used, but I&#8217;m pretty sure (based on the use of the word &#8220;correlation&#8221;) they assumed normal distributions. So a second aspect to the crisis is RISK MANAGEMENT. Trading desks at the big banks are allocated capital according to some risk model that calculates value at risk (VaR). VaR defines a &#8220;boundary&#8221; of losses whereby any loss greater than &#8220;VaR&#8221; is considered a &#8220;tail event&#8221;. VaR does not tell you anything about how much you may lose if a tail event happens, it merely gives a number specifying the boundary where beyond &#8220;there be dragons&#8221;. So it would be MAGICAL if traders could somehow find a security where all the risk was in the tails because risk models based on VaR would be blind to such a security. Enter CDOs. CDOs represent a blind spot to risk management systems. As such, CDO desks were allocated capital way beyond anything that was sensible because the risk models were insensitive to the tail events that would cause a CDO to lose money.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t spent enough time de-constructing these CDO models because I saw how ridiculous they were and moved on to other things. Maybe it is time I did. Any CDO model that does not properly model the tails, e.g. anything that assumes normal distributions, is pretty much a bogus model that should be disregarded. A CDO is a &#8220;tail event&#8221; security and if the model does not properly handle tail events, it is not a proper model of a CDO. How do you model tail events? Some would say you can&#8217;t, in which case, you cannot model CDOs. Hence CDOs should stay out of any responsible asset manager&#8217;s portfolio.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/29/structured-finance-for-beginners/#comment-8656</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The paper had another interesting and counter-intuitive claim.

The expected payoff of Senior tranches is relatively *insensitive* to changes in parameters,  even though parameter variation can create a large change in the rating of the Senior tranche.  This holds true even for CDO^2. This bodes very well for the Geithner plan, because it indicates that at least some of these CDOs really are seriously undervalued, and that they really aren&#039;t just worthless paper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paper had another interesting and counter-intuitive claim.</p>
<p>The expected payoff of Senior tranches is relatively *insensitive* to changes in parameters,  even though parameter variation can create a large change in the rating of the Senior tranche.  This holds true even for CDO^2. This bodes very well for the Geithner plan, because it indicates that at least some of these CDOs really are seriously undervalued, and that they really aren&#8217;t just worthless paper.</p>
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