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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/28/does-size-matter/#comment-8946</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wouldn&#039;t capitalism function much better (and more efficiently) if no entity were &quot;too big to fail&quot;?

(the possible exception would be a sovereign state)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wouldn&#8217;t capitalism function much better (and more efficiently) if no entity were &#8220;too big to fail&#8221;?</p>
<p>(the possible exception would be a sovereign state)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bradbrooke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/28/does-size-matter/#comment-8615</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate what you are saying, a cap on assets is a simple regulation to enforce. I agree, but I do not see the relevance. Our problem is systemic, that is, it affects our entire financial system. It matters not whether that system comprises a small number of large institutions or a large number of small institutions. They hold the same assets and those assets are flawed. If they weren&#039;t flawed we wouldn&#039;t be in trouble. As I see it, the fewer the number of institutions in the system, the easier it would be to deal with a systemic problem.  

The influence of lobbies wouldn&#039;t be affected by capping the size of financial institutions. The point of lobbies is to gather the many into one. And, did AIG use its size to exploit regulatory loopholes or did simply buy a savings and loan and thereby pass itself off as something small, innocuous and unthreatening. 

I concede AIG did not actively prevent the impression that it was a large, powerful, AAA rated company from informing the marketing of its derivatives. But that has to do with marketing ethics and the quality of the products themselves. 

I don&#039;t know, James; I just don&#039;t see it. I think containing leverage is far more important than capping assets, and of greatest importance is a thorough understanding of the financial product itself and its quality relative to other products.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate what you are saying, a cap on assets is a simple regulation to enforce. I agree, but I do not see the relevance. Our problem is systemic, that is, it affects our entire financial system. It matters not whether that system comprises a small number of large institutions or a large number of small institutions. They hold the same assets and those assets are flawed. If they weren&#8217;t flawed we wouldn&#8217;t be in trouble. As I see it, the fewer the number of institutions in the system, the easier it would be to deal with a systemic problem.  </p>
<p>The influence of lobbies wouldn&#8217;t be affected by capping the size of financial institutions. The point of lobbies is to gather the many into one. And, did AIG use its size to exploit regulatory loopholes or did simply buy a savings and loan and thereby pass itself off as something small, innocuous and unthreatening. </p>
<p>I concede AIG did not actively prevent the impression that it was a large, powerful, AAA rated company from informing the marketing of its derivatives. But that has to do with marketing ethics and the quality of the products themselves. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, James; I just don&#8217;t see it. I think containing leverage is far more important than capping assets, and of greatest importance is a thorough understanding of the financial product itself and its quality relative to other products.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  Does Size Matter? Simon argued in the Atlantic article, and I argued in &#8220;Frog and Toad&#8221; and &#8220;Big and Small&#8221;, that [...] [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: sanjivg</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/28/does-size-matter/#comment-8579</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, I haven&#039;t read your pieces yet, and Drum&#039;s, so this is an off-the-cuff response. &quot;Too small to succeed&quot; may be just as bad as &quot;too big to fail.&quot; Pooling and allocating quickly large sums of capital strikes me as a desirable goal, which suggests an advantage for large banks. Obviously this magnifies the consequences of their actions for both good and ill, but I don&#039;t have an instinctive &quot;small is beautiful&quot; response to this crisis.  

The appropriate size is at least partly an empirical question. It would be good to look at the literature on relationship between bank size and performance, though it&#039;s not obvious to me what the right metrics for evaluating performance would be. Perhaps they should be different for different banking functions. But in light of recent events, some measure of solvency is surely necessary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I haven&#8217;t read your pieces yet, and Drum&#8217;s, so this is an off-the-cuff response. &#8220;Too small to succeed&#8221; may be just as bad as &#8220;too big to fail.&#8221; Pooling and allocating quickly large sums of capital strikes me as a desirable goal, which suggests an advantage for large banks. Obviously this magnifies the consequences of their actions for both good and ill, but I don&#8217;t have an instinctive &#8220;small is beautiful&#8221; response to this crisis.  </p>
<p>The appropriate size is at least partly an empirical question. It would be good to look at the literature on relationship between bank size and performance, though it&#8217;s not obvious to me what the right metrics for evaluating performance would be. Perhaps they should be different for different banking functions. But in light of recent events, some measure of solvency is surely necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: sweeteye</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/28/does-size-matter/#comment-8504</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After getting this special right for us LGBT, I won&#039;t think we are kicked out by family, by world. I&#039;m here as a bisexual, get very happy for this matter. Now I can speak out loudly &quot;hi everyone, I&#039;m a bisexual. I love the world.&quot; without any hesitation. Now, feel we are also common people as equal as others. &quot;No matter we are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, our heart is full of love. And we also hope to have life-long love&quot; said by one of my bisexual friends met at the bisexual club http://www.seekbi.com on heart blog. Most of us like-minded people are deeply moved by her honest words. Thanks for making us accepted by others. We are really proud of us. Join 10000000000% free. happy life is up to you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After getting this special right for us LGBT, I won&#8217;t think we are kicked out by family, by world. I&#8217;m here as a bisexual, get very happy for this matter. Now I can speak out loudly &#8220;hi everyone, I&#8217;m a bisexual. I love the world.&#8221; without any hesitation. Now, feel we are also common people as equal as others. &#8220;No matter we are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, our heart is full of love. And we also hope to have life-long love&#8221; said by one of my bisexual friends met at the bisexual club <a href="http://www.seekbi.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.seekbi.com</a> on heart blog. Most of us like-minded people are deeply moved by her honest words. Thanks for making us accepted by others. We are really proud of us. Join 10000000000% free. happy life is up to you</p>
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		<title>By: WAKE UP AMERICA</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/28/does-size-matter/#comment-8473</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WAKE UP AMERICA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/03/exclusive-aig-was-responsible-for-banks.html]]></description>
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		<title>By: Readings 29/3/09 &#171; Managing Uncertainty by Nicholas Davis</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/28/does-size-matter/#comment-8466</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Readings 29/3/09 &#171; Managing Uncertainty by Nicholas Davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Does Size Matter? - another good set of arguments in favour of limiting the size of financial institutions (The Baseline Scenario) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: curious</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/28/does-size-matter/#comment-8465</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thank you Anonymous!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you Anonymous!</p>
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		<title>By: curious</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/28/does-size-matter/#comment-8464</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In psychology there seems to be an understanding that people prefer to have control, no matter how irrational and ridiculous a belief may be, the feeling of control if important to hold the mind together--so if we blame ourselves for someone&#039;s death, when rationally nothing we could have done would have helped, this self-blame is preferred to the infinitely more hurtful feeling of helplessness.

This psychology was used skillfully in the fall--when people were told that &quot;the world would end as we know it&quot; by the bank cartel, we the people lost our ability to reason...if we could have reasoned we would have been saying &quot;good&quot; this needs to end, let the smaller banks that aren&#039;t involved in the cartel buy for pennies on the dollar the useful assets of the corrupt entities and lets use the governments balance sheet to help bet by in this difficult time--

instead, the word &#039;nationalism&quot; became the F word too terrible to discuss which added to the power of opening up the doors of our children&#039;s future and saying to the bank cartel, &quot;here, take it all&quot; When we failed at that time, we also failed in the eyes of the world...the world was hoping for Obama to save us from this crime, but he looks like he is only a puppet to the bank cartel now...so the world is viewing us as corrupt....i personally want our country to ask for it&#039;s integrity back, and that won&#039;t happen until the crime is prosecuted...if it goes unprosecuted, it makes us, all us citizens guilty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In psychology there seems to be an understanding that people prefer to have control, no matter how irrational and ridiculous a belief may be, the feeling of control if important to hold the mind together&#8211;so if we blame ourselves for someone&#8217;s death, when rationally nothing we could have done would have helped, this self-blame is preferred to the infinitely more hurtful feeling of helplessness.</p>
<p>This psychology was used skillfully in the fall&#8211;when people were told that &#8220;the world would end as we know it&#8221; by the bank cartel, we the people lost our ability to reason&#8230;if we could have reasoned we would have been saying &#8220;good&#8221; this needs to end, let the smaller banks that aren&#8217;t involved in the cartel buy for pennies on the dollar the useful assets of the corrupt entities and lets use the governments balance sheet to help bet by in this difficult time&#8211;</p>
<p>instead, the word &#8216;nationalism&#8221; became the F word too terrible to discuss which added to the power of opening up the doors of our children&#8217;s future and saying to the bank cartel, &#8220;here, take it all&#8221; When we failed at that time, we also failed in the eyes of the world&#8230;the world was hoping for Obama to save us from this crime, but he looks like he is only a puppet to the bank cartel now&#8230;so the world is viewing us as corrupt&#8230;.i personally want our country to ask for it&#8217;s integrity back, and that won&#8217;t happen until the crime is prosecuted&#8230;if it goes unprosecuted, it makes us, all us citizens guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: ekzept</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/28/does-size-matter/#comment-8460</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Frank,

I think interdependency can create a negative network effect, or &quot;reverse bandwagon&quot; which exhibits damaging phenomena both temporally and on large scales. If true, as Drum argues, whether there&#039;s one big bank or a tightly coupled set of thousand smaller ones, although Drum doesn&#039;t say anything about network effects.

At the very least, an economy which benefitted from positive network effects might suffer severely if, because of fear of risk, these effects suddenly end, because every node wants to decouple from the rest of their neighbors. That sounds like an insignificant decision, but to the degree the interconnectedness produced real GDP, it&#039;s a loss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank,</p>
<p>I think interdependency can create a negative network effect, or &#8220;reverse bandwagon&#8221; which exhibits damaging phenomena both temporally and on large scales. If true, as Drum argues, whether there&#8217;s one big bank or a tightly coupled set of thousand smaller ones, although Drum doesn&#8217;t say anything about network effects.</p>
<p>At the very least, an economy which benefitted from positive network effects might suffer severely if, because of fear of risk, these effects suddenly end, because every node wants to decouple from the rest of their neighbors. That sounds like an insignificant decision, but to the degree the interconnectedness produced real GDP, it&#8217;s a loss.</p>
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		<title>By: curious</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very sexy title James!

Bottom line, dancing in circles solves no problem except the problem of can we dance in circles?

Here is a list that can help to solving some of what ails our country:

1) Our president needs to publicly admit that the bank policies started in the fall are wrong, and that until further notice, all public/private partnerships need to stop--

a) and that there will be a public investigation on the actions taken in the fall by the joint decision of the fed and the treasury ranging from stalling on letting lehman brothers have bank holding status and denying them from a 6 billion dollar bridge loan, to all the public statements that were made which in effect acted like a lobby for TARP 1 and all of the trillions of dollars given to already insolvent institutions.

b) Retroactive accounting to which TARP 1 recipients were failed prior to Lehman publicly failing, and for those institutions that were buffered by the failing of Lehman, and subsequent free money through AIG, they need to pay all bank loans, and backstops immediately or withing 30 days (and the president needs to gat a law passed that could do this )  And any banks, bank hodling companies that cannot manage to do this will be taken into receivership.

c) Since the basis of the approach to &quot;save the world&quot; was flawed, there will be many complaits that will need to sorted out, and in time this will be done in time.  But for now, the top priortity is to correct the damage of what has been done, and hold accountable the makers of this flawed approach which, unless unwound,  is holding our children&#039;s future hostage.

HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WHEN A CRIME OF THIS MAGNITUDE IS GOING UNPUNISHED...? ALL ISSUES SEEM TO BE MORE REDHERRINGS TO DISTRACT FROM THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE NO MORE TRUST FOR OUR COUNTRY UNTIL WE CALL OUT THE CRIMINALS.

This time in our history will be called THE AGE OF REDHERRINGS used to RAPE AND PILLAGE THE FUTURE OF AMERICA&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very sexy title James!</p>
<p>Bottom line, dancing in circles solves no problem except the problem of can we dance in circles?</p>
<p>Here is a list that can help to solving some of what ails our country:</p>
<p>1) Our president needs to publicly admit that the bank policies started in the fall are wrong, and that until further notice, all public/private partnerships need to stop&#8211;</p>
<p>a) and that there will be a public investigation on the actions taken in the fall by the joint decision of the fed and the treasury ranging from stalling on letting lehman brothers have bank holding status and denying them from a 6 billion dollar bridge loan, to all the public statements that were made which in effect acted like a lobby for TARP 1 and all of the trillions of dollars given to already insolvent institutions.</p>
<p>b) Retroactive accounting to which TARP 1 recipients were failed prior to Lehman publicly failing, and for those institutions that were buffered by the failing of Lehman, and subsequent free money through AIG, they need to pay all bank loans, and backstops immediately or withing 30 days (and the president needs to gat a law passed that could do this )  And any banks, bank hodling companies that cannot manage to do this will be taken into receivership.</p>
<p>c) Since the basis of the approach to &#8220;save the world&#8221; was flawed, there will be many complaits that will need to sorted out, and in time this will be done in time.  But for now, the top priortity is to correct the damage of what has been done, and hold accountable the makers of this flawed approach which, unless unwound,  is holding our children&#8217;s future hostage.</p>
<p>HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WHEN A CRIME OF THIS MAGNITUDE IS GOING UNPUNISHED&#8230;? ALL ISSUES SEEM TO BE MORE REDHERRINGS TO DISTRACT FROM THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE NO MORE TRUST FOR OUR COUNTRY UNTIL WE CALL OUT THE CRIMINALS.</p>
<p>This time in our history will be called THE AGE OF REDHERRINGS used to RAPE AND PILLAGE THE FUTURE OF AMERICA&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James Kwak</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. I&#039;m not agreeing with Drum - I just felt the need to point to a contrasting view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. I&#8217;m not agreeing with Drum &#8211; I just felt the need to point to a contrasting view.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kwak</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that not all regulations are equally easy to evade. Other things being equal, I suspect that the simpler the regulation, the harder it is to evade. A cap on institutions by assets seems pretty simple and hence pretty hard to evade. That&#039;s the hope, at least.

There are two lessons of AIG. One is that powerful lobby groups (the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, in this case), can get the regulation they want. The second is that powerful institutions (AIG, in this case) can exploit regulatory loopholes. Again, I think the lesson is you need simpler regulation (fewer loopholes) and less-powerful institutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that not all regulations are equally easy to evade. Other things being equal, I suspect that the simpler the regulation, the harder it is to evade. A cap on institutions by assets seems pretty simple and hence pretty hard to evade. That&#8217;s the hope, at least.</p>
<p>There are two lessons of AIG. One is that powerful lobby groups (the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, in this case), can get the regulation they want. The second is that powerful institutions (AIG, in this case) can exploit regulatory loopholes. Again, I think the lesson is you need simpler regulation (fewer loopholes) and less-powerful institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: please take a look at</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[please take a look at]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 1 currency now</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To expand on the ski analogy, a large and obnoxious but powerful group has recklessly ventured off-piste, bringing snowmobiles and ignoring safety.  They have set off an avalanche burying all the careful skiers and the town below.  

There are not enough resources to save everyone. So it&#039;s triage, saving the town first, then the careful skiers.

The two-tier approach starts in the rebuilding, and the reckless are not allowed to go in large groups, use inappropriate vehicles, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To expand on the ski analogy, a large and obnoxious but powerful group has recklessly ventured off-piste, bringing snowmobiles and ignoring safety.  They have set off an avalanche burying all the careful skiers and the town below.  </p>
<p>There are not enough resources to save everyone. So it&#8217;s triage, saving the town first, then the careful skiers.</p>
<p>The two-tier approach starts in the rebuilding, and the reckless are not allowed to go in large groups, use inappropriate vehicles, etc.</p>
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