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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-9631</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gus;
You might like to consider 2 issues:
1) there have been long periods of significant economic growth without the &quot;assistance&quot; of exotic risk instruments;
2) Canada&#039;s major banks are a fraction of the size of the big American and global banks, partly as a result of being prohibited from exceeding basic capital ratios, etc.  And right now they are sitting pretty.  Nary a one has required a cent of gov&#039;t money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gus;<br />
You might like to consider 2 issues:<br />
1) there have been long periods of significant economic growth without the &#8220;assistance&#8221; of exotic risk instruments;<br />
2) Canada&#8217;s major banks are a fraction of the size of the big American and global banks, partly as a result of being prohibited from exceeding basic capital ratios, etc.  And right now they are sitting pretty.  Nary a one has required a cent of gov&#8217;t money.</p>
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		<title>By: Baseline Scenario, April 7, 2009 &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-9450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baseline Scenario, April 7, 2009 &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] sector, which we discuss at length in our Atlantic article. Our preferred solution is to have smaller banks. Early indications, however, are that the Geithner plan will go a different direction - allowing [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Gus Carvalho</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-9434</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 04:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But Steve has an interesting point; it may be true that smaller financial firms are quicker and nimbler than larger ones, but larger ones (especially if government backed) also have deeper pockets. And the fact that they may buy smaller firms must also be considered... I think that you are right in being concerned with the size of financial firms and I&#039;m sympathetic to your idea, but it may have some unintended consequences.  

First, it may not be effective if the same approach is not followed by other countries. For example, it would be possible to imagine the acquisition of these scaled-down, overspecialized financial firms by Sovereign Wealth Funds, government-owned banks, and/or large international financial firms - I know that there are complications, and such deals could be blocked on many grounds. In effect, the end result of your plan could be further consolidation and concentration, but now at the global level;

Second, I&#039;m not sure if reducing the size of financial firms and limiting the scope of their activities to certain niches would be effective in eliminating systemic risk. Although smaller, financial firms would still be highly interconnected, and some &quot;systemically-important firms&quot; in specific markets would still have the capacity of knocking-out markets and initiating a chain reaction - with the difference that now we would not be talking about one big financial firm or bank but maybe a handful of smaller firms systemically important in their respective markets;

Third, decreasing the size of a financial firms does not necessarily eliminate the influence they may have on regulators - although, of course, it helps. However, on of the problems is that people can shift very easily from positions in the industry to positions in the regulators. This symbiosis may or may not be desirable - I do think that it is problematic and may give rise to serious conflicts of interest - but it will continue even if financial institutions become smaller. It is thus also important to think about ways to limit the appointment of individuals with ties to the financial industry to official positions;

Finally, limiting the size and scope of financial firms may have some impact on international liquidity - although there is nothing preventing smaller financial institutions occupying the space left by the bigger ones. Here the problem may be one of exposure - and smaller sizes may mean less appetite for risk and less exposure to potentially good but generally riskier assets such as those issued by emerging market companies and states.

Any thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Steve has an interesting point; it may be true that smaller financial firms are quicker and nimbler than larger ones, but larger ones (especially if government backed) also have deeper pockets. And the fact that they may buy smaller firms must also be considered&#8230; I think that you are right in being concerned with the size of financial firms and I&#8217;m sympathetic to your idea, but it may have some unintended consequences.  </p>
<p>First, it may not be effective if the same approach is not followed by other countries. For example, it would be possible to imagine the acquisition of these scaled-down, overspecialized financial firms by Sovereign Wealth Funds, government-owned banks, and/or large international financial firms &#8211; I know that there are complications, and such deals could be blocked on many grounds. In effect, the end result of your plan could be further consolidation and concentration, but now at the global level;</p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;m not sure if reducing the size of financial firms and limiting the scope of their activities to certain niches would be effective in eliminating systemic risk. Although smaller, financial firms would still be highly interconnected, and some &#8220;systemically-important firms&#8221; in specific markets would still have the capacity of knocking-out markets and initiating a chain reaction &#8211; with the difference that now we would not be talking about one big financial firm or bank but maybe a handful of smaller firms systemically important in their respective markets;</p>
<p>Third, decreasing the size of a financial firms does not necessarily eliminate the influence they may have on regulators &#8211; although, of course, it helps. However, on of the problems is that people can shift very easily from positions in the industry to positions in the regulators. This symbiosis may or may not be desirable &#8211; I do think that it is problematic and may give rise to serious conflicts of interest &#8211; but it will continue even if financial institutions become smaller. It is thus also important to think about ways to limit the appointment of individuals with ties to the financial industry to official positions;</p>
<p>Finally, limiting the size and scope of financial firms may have some impact on international liquidity &#8211; although there is nothing preventing smaller financial institutions occupying the space left by the bigger ones. Here the problem may be one of exposure &#8211; and smaller sizes may mean less appetite for risk and less exposure to potentially good but generally riskier assets such as those issued by emerging market companies and states.</p>
<p>Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: killben</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-9021</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No SPV all assets liability transparent
limit transaction volume and number .. thereby limiting the damage
reduce leverage
reduce asset type

get a good risk manager at the regulator not guys like Ben bernanke who felt that the housing crisis has been contained even in 2008, who can&#039;t access the extent of risks in the system, who cannot ask the right question before the event and so on..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No SPV all assets liability transparent<br />
limit transaction volume and number .. thereby limiting the damage<br />
reduce leverage<br />
reduce asset type</p>
<p>get a good risk manager at the regulator not guys like Ben bernanke who felt that the housing crisis has been contained even in 2008, who can&#8217;t access the extent of risks in the system, who cannot ask the right question before the event and so on..</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-8790</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Control theory classifies systems as underdamped, overdamped or unstable. An underdamped system responds slowly and smoothly to an input by moving form one set point to another without overshoot or ringing. An underdamped system responds quickly but overshoots the desired destination and then rings (oscillates around the desired destination). Over time the ringing dies out and the system stays at its destination until it receives a new input. When damping is further reduced or gain is increased in an underdamped system, it can become unstable. An input can then lead to oscillations that build over time leading to effects such as those sometimes heard from a poorly operated public address system.In mechanical systems this is typically stopped by something breaking. The Tacoma Narrows Bridge is a classic example see http://encarta.msn.com/media_461550807_0_-1_1_BB/media.html). 

Markets tend to resemble underdamped control systems. They respond quickly to news and other inputs, overshoot and ring. Viewed from this perspective recent events make sense.

In the search for bigger profits, especially in the short term, the leverage in the system was increased. This is analogous to turning up the gain. At the same time regulation (damping) was in many areas reduced either through deregulation or regulatory neglect. The stability of the system was thus compromised and a downside input sent it out of control. 

One can argue that markets will be most efficient if allowed to behave in this way. By running them at the edge of stability they will respond faster than if they are damped by regulation and leverage is reduced. The downside is periodic crashes. It would be an easy decision if the crashes didn&#039;t hurt people. Since they do, we must find a balance that provides acceptable risks while not giving up too much of the benefits of markets. 

In my view gain has been turned up too high and too little damping has been applied in recent decades. Your mileage may vary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Control theory classifies systems as underdamped, overdamped or unstable. An underdamped system responds slowly and smoothly to an input by moving form one set point to another without overshoot or ringing. An underdamped system responds quickly but overshoots the desired destination and then rings (oscillates around the desired destination). Over time the ringing dies out and the system stays at its destination until it receives a new input. When damping is further reduced or gain is increased in an underdamped system, it can become unstable. An input can then lead to oscillations that build over time leading to effects such as those sometimes heard from a poorly operated public address system.In mechanical systems this is typically stopped by something breaking. The Tacoma Narrows Bridge is a classic example see <a href="http://encarta.msn.com/media_461550807_0_-1_1_BB/media.html" rel="nofollow">http://encarta.msn.com/media_461550807_0_-1_1_BB/media.html</a>). </p>
<p>Markets tend to resemble underdamped control systems. They respond quickly to news and other inputs, overshoot and ring. Viewed from this perspective recent events make sense.</p>
<p>In the search for bigger profits, especially in the short term, the leverage in the system was increased. This is analogous to turning up the gain. At the same time regulation (damping) was in many areas reduced either through deregulation or regulatory neglect. The stability of the system was thus compromised and a downside input sent it out of control. </p>
<p>One can argue that markets will be most efficient if allowed to behave in this way. By running them at the edge of stability they will respond faster than if they are damped by regulation and leverage is reduced. The downside is periodic crashes. It would be an easy decision if the crashes didn&#8217;t hurt people. Since they do, we must find a balance that provides acceptable risks while not giving up too much of the benefits of markets. </p>
<p>In my view gain has been turned up too high and too little damping has been applied in recent decades. Your mileage may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: adios amigos</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-8752</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In short, more US based corruption, greed and theft. I wonder when we, the rest of the world, are REALLY going to get fed up? Probably in my lifetime, I&#039;m sure. I&#039;ll try to be first in line to sign up to fight these crooks over there. Sometimes a little revolution is a good thing I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In short, more US based corruption, greed and theft. I wonder when we, the rest of the world, are REALLY going to get fed up? Probably in my lifetime, I&#8217;m sure. I&#8217;ll try to be first in line to sign up to fight these crooks over there. Sometimes a little revolution is a good thing I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Ico Ucé</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-8726</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This all sounds a lot like Gosplan (USSR Central Planning Commitee), trying to figure out how to make an unworkable economic planning philosophy work. In my opinion, the unacknowledged elephant in the room is, that just maybe free market capitalism is actually working. Free market capitalism, in the presence of market distorting government interventions, is what is punishing bad actors the way it is. From firms &quot;to big to fail&quot; to consumer credit contracts lawyers have trouble understaning, to a post-republican government daily acruing centralized powers, this has all been facilited by government intervention, not by free market capitalism. Markets have not failed, they are in fact doing what they are suppose to do, i.e. punish poor risk assessment and bad resource allocation. What has dramtically failed, yet again, is government and the propeller heads in it that think that there&#039;s no such thing as &quot;economic laws&quot; arising from nature akin to the laws of physics, that it&#039;s all perfectly maleable to their ends if only they&#039;re smart enough. Surprise, surprise! I&#039;ll make this prediction: More regulatory bodies and procedures will accomplish nothing but creating a new set of market distortions, which will set the stage for the next debacle as very smart people quickly learn how to leveage and/or cicumvent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all sounds a lot like Gosplan (USSR Central Planning Commitee), trying to figure out how to make an unworkable economic planning philosophy work. In my opinion, the unacknowledged elephant in the room is, that just maybe free market capitalism is actually working. Free market capitalism, in the presence of market distorting government interventions, is what is punishing bad actors the way it is. From firms &#8220;to big to fail&#8221; to consumer credit contracts lawyers have trouble understaning, to a post-republican government daily acruing centralized powers, this has all been facilited by government intervention, not by free market capitalism. Markets have not failed, they are in fact doing what they are suppose to do, i.e. punish poor risk assessment and bad resource allocation. What has dramtically failed, yet again, is government and the propeller heads in it that think that there&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;economic laws&#8221; arising from nature akin to the laws of physics, that it&#8217;s all perfectly maleable to their ends if only they&#8217;re smart enough. Surprise, surprise! I&#8217;ll make this prediction: More regulatory bodies and procedures will accomplish nothing but creating a new set of market distortions, which will set the stage for the next debacle as very smart people quickly learn how to leveage and/or cicumvent.</p>
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		<title>By: Does Size Matter? &#171; The Confluence</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-8717</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] swept off its feet by a passing oddity that surely won&#8217;t repeat itself.  James Kwak of  Baseline Scenario questions the basis of the Geithner plan that we need just need to prop up these too big to fail [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: MyBustyCam&#8217;s ALL TIME FAVORITE PORN STARS (With A Few Cam Girls Thrown In) &#187; Brazzers Girl: My Bloody Angelina Valentine</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Why Big Banks Should be Smaller &#124; Refinancing</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-8604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why Big Banks Should be Smaller &#124; Refinancing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nils</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-8589</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s worth remember why so much banking consolidation happened in the 1970s and 80s. The driving force was the rise of institutional investing from the 1950s forward (see Drucker&#039;s THE UNSEEN REVOLUTION: PENSION FUND SOCIALISM, 1976), which suddenly presented banks with something they&#039;d never experienced before: clients who were bigger than them, and who could therefore beat them down on price -- especially after the early-70s deregulation that for the first time since the 30s allowed stock brokers to compete on price.

The response of the banking industry to the rise of these huge clients was scale up, first by consolidating heavily, and then by making huge investments in information technology that would allow them to essentially bet against their institutional investing counterparties using complicated mathematics backed by the latest computing technology. The need for more and more capital, both to invest in infrastructure and to use in betting against counterparties, also explains why all the now-consolidated investment banks eventually went public.

If you were to break down Wall Street into a bunch of small and medium sized firms, the institutional investors would have them over a barrel again, shifting the  center of financial policymaking gravity from the banks back to the institutional investors. Whether you think that would be a good thing or not is another matter; your mileage may vary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth remember why so much banking consolidation happened in the 1970s and 80s. The driving force was the rise of institutional investing from the 1950s forward (see Drucker&#8217;s THE UNSEEN REVOLUTION: PENSION FUND SOCIALISM, 1976), which suddenly presented banks with something they&#8217;d never experienced before: clients who were bigger than them, and who could therefore beat them down on price &#8212; especially after the early-70s deregulation that for the first time since the 30s allowed stock brokers to compete on price.</p>
<p>The response of the banking industry to the rise of these huge clients was scale up, first by consolidating heavily, and then by making huge investments in information technology that would allow them to essentially bet against their institutional investing counterparties using complicated mathematics backed by the latest computing technology. The need for more and more capital, both to invest in infrastructure and to use in betting against counterparties, also explains why all the now-consolidated investment banks eventually went public.</p>
<p>If you were to break down Wall Street into a bunch of small and medium sized firms, the institutional investors would have them over a barrel again, shifting the  center of financial policymaking gravity from the banks back to the institutional investors. Whether you think that would be a good thing or not is another matter; your mileage may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: Short Term Car Insurance: Things You Need To Bear In Mind &#62; Automobiles &#62; Front Page Articles - Article Directory</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Free Market Underdog</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-8456</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Free Market Underdog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a simple plan for limiting the danger of leverage in the banking industry in the future:  require 10% hard cash tangible equity (none of this silly Tier One and Tier Two Capital monkey business) for any financial institution that takes deposits from consumers and business. Also apply this requirement to any institution that enters into any kind of a financial arrangement with an institution that takes deposits. You can also ratchet up the requirement to 11%, 12%, etc. for gradually larger insitutions to adapt to your concept of limiting the size of institutions. Of course the Frogs and Toads of the future will dismantle any such plan when it suits them (and when the populace regains its complaceny a generation or two from now), but it should work in its simplicity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a simple plan for limiting the danger of leverage in the banking industry in the future:  require 10% hard cash tangible equity (none of this silly Tier One and Tier Two Capital monkey business) for any financial institution that takes deposits from consumers and business. Also apply this requirement to any institution that enters into any kind of a financial arrangement with an institution that takes deposits. You can also ratchet up the requirement to 11%, 12%, etc. for gradually larger insitutions to adapt to your concept of limiting the size of institutions. Of course the Frogs and Toads of the future will dismantle any such plan when it suits them (and when the populace regains its complaceny a generation or two from now), but it should work in its simplicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rulle</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/27/big-and-small/#comment-8433</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rulle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It appears that the very notion of interconnectedness is often misunderstood and exaggerated. The AIG case is used as the quintessential case in point as to the dangers of interconnectedness. I believe the larger danger is the policy response to the misunderstanding of interconnectedness. The real problem with AIG was a lack of understanding of precedent as well as the nature of the crisis by Paulson et.al. Conflict of interest was not helpful either.

What, ultimately, was the nature of the AIG debacle? Entities which either owned mortgages, or wished merely to short them, &quot;sold&quot; or &quot;shorted&quot; them to AIG. They did this this through so called credit default swaps. In a securities based world, the standard way to sell is to sell outright for cash, or more often, to sell by financing the sale through the repo market. The typical &quot;repo&quot; requires a &quot;haircut&quot;, or a partial cash down payment; has a maintenance provision, which means more cash must be posted if prices go down; and is immediately callable, which means the seller can simply unwind the trade at any time for any reason.

There is certainly no reason CDS trades cannot operate in a similar manner. In fact, CDS trades among &quot;dealers&quot; and between dealers and other entities, are structured, for all practical purposes, in a comparable way. However, this is not how the AIG deals were structured.

They were really 100% financed (no haircut); they had no maintenance provision as long as AIG remained AAA; and they were term contracts which could not be unwound by the &quot;sellers&quot; accept under certain conditions. Why did the street do this? Sellers either were looking to hedge their longs, or were looking for capital relief, or were looking to short the market. When the final tally was made, AIG &quot;owned&quot; about $600 billion of mortgage related credit instruments through this method. When their credit rating declined, and market prices declined, then certain &quot;maintenance&quot; or &quot;cash calls&quot; were triggered in massive amounts. Of course, by then they could not come up with the cash.

Those are approximately the details. What does this mean system wide, and what does it mean to the concept of interconnectedness? I will stipulate it as obvious that a dollar of investment can only be lost once. If these CDS represented, for example, mortgages on defaulting houses in California, then the decline in the value of those houses is the true loss the financial system experiences. The financial world believed it had &quot;resold&quot;, or shorted, these mortgages to AIG. What is the systemic impact of AIG&#039;s inability to post collateral?

The bottom line, of course, is that other institutions never really did sell these mortgages. They thought they did, but did not. For all intents and purposes the losses from the decline in mortgage values now reverted back to the original sellers.  Of the two types of &quot;sales&quot;, &quot;reselling&quot; and &quot;shorting&quot;, naked shorting is the least disruptive to the financial system. The trade effectively disappears as if nothing happened. They thought they made a bet with a guy who could pay it, but did not. Of course, believing you made money probably effected your behavior in other ways, but that is what happens some times. Still, no money was lost---money was just not made.

Firms who thought they were hedging discovered they did not. Would they have gone &quot;long&quot; mortgages had they not been able to resell them? No. Many used AIG to free up regulatory capital--so by definition they could not have bought as much without someone like them to lower the capital requirement. This, of course, is not an &quot;interconnectedness&quot; problem, but a judgment problem based on their belief in AIG&#039;s ability to pay if there were a problem. Other hedgers were likely hedging inventory so they would not have held as much, presumably.

This is speculation of course. They may have viewed AIG&#039;s guarantees as so cheap that they entered into those trades opportunistically. They might have bought just as much as they would have otherwise. Still, all the losses, which the sellers thought would be AIG&#039;s are now reverting back to the sellers.

When AIG failed, what should the regulators have done? First, they should have taken their damn time and thought about it. AIG&#039;s failure was like a giant &quot;long squeeze&quot;. To replace the now failed company, there was likely enormous short selling in the CDS market---creating widening spreads and declining mortgage values. The sizes were large enough to have caused the rapid decline in mortgage values we saw. The Lucy study (UVA professor William Lucy) demonstrates this decline in values was not based on fundamentals, but panic long covering. Does this remind anyone of something similar? Long Term Capital of course.

What happened with LTCM? Greenspan, in a famous move which was criticized as encouraging moral hazard--how innocent that view seems today---met with LTCM&#039;s counterparties and basically said &quot;it is in your interest not to force these guys to post collateral&quot;. Why? Because that would have set in motion an even larger wave of unwinding thus driving down prices further. One might call this &quot;collateral posting forbearance&quot;.

Paulson and Bernanke should have called a big &quot;timeout&quot; and required the sellers to look at the true underlying value of these instruments What is true? Pontius Pilate once asked a similar question. What is true is one&#039;s judgment as to what is true. That may not have been mark to market values. If the underlying instruments were still paying, an orderly process of unwinding could have occurred---without cash being put up by the government---and without forcing a long squeeze. 

Some losses would have been taken just like 1998, and more so. AIG should have been broken up, resold, and gradually the rest of the financial system would have had to assume their positions---not the Government. But Paulson is a creature of Wall Street and is a &quot;hopelessly talented&quot; individual. Talented, because he can see the trees---hopeless because he cannot see the forest. In 1998, Greenspan lead. In 2008, Lloyd Blankfein lead. Goldman had money owed to it and it wanted it now. So Paulson gave it to them]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that the very notion of interconnectedness is often misunderstood and exaggerated. The AIG case is used as the quintessential case in point as to the dangers of interconnectedness. I believe the larger danger is the policy response to the misunderstanding of interconnectedness. The real problem with AIG was a lack of understanding of precedent as well as the nature of the crisis by Paulson et.al. Conflict of interest was not helpful either.</p>
<p>What, ultimately, was the nature of the AIG debacle? Entities which either owned mortgages, or wished merely to short them, &#8220;sold&#8221; or &#8220;shorted&#8221; them to AIG. They did this this through so called credit default swaps. In a securities based world, the standard way to sell is to sell outright for cash, or more often, to sell by financing the sale through the repo market. The typical &#8220;repo&#8221; requires a &#8220;haircut&#8221;, or a partial cash down payment; has a maintenance provision, which means more cash must be posted if prices go down; and is immediately callable, which means the seller can simply unwind the trade at any time for any reason.</p>
<p>There is certainly no reason CDS trades cannot operate in a similar manner. In fact, CDS trades among &#8220;dealers&#8221; and between dealers and other entities, are structured, for all practical purposes, in a comparable way. However, this is not how the AIG deals were structured.</p>
<p>They were really 100% financed (no haircut); they had no maintenance provision as long as AIG remained AAA; and they were term contracts which could not be unwound by the &#8220;sellers&#8221; accept under certain conditions. Why did the street do this? Sellers either were looking to hedge their longs, or were looking for capital relief, or were looking to short the market. When the final tally was made, AIG &#8220;owned&#8221; about $600 billion of mortgage related credit instruments through this method. When their credit rating declined, and market prices declined, then certain &#8220;maintenance&#8221; or &#8220;cash calls&#8221; were triggered in massive amounts. Of course, by then they could not come up with the cash.</p>
<p>Those are approximately the details. What does this mean system wide, and what does it mean to the concept of interconnectedness? I will stipulate it as obvious that a dollar of investment can only be lost once. If these CDS represented, for example, mortgages on defaulting houses in California, then the decline in the value of those houses is the true loss the financial system experiences. The financial world believed it had &#8220;resold&#8221;, or shorted, these mortgages to AIG. What is the systemic impact of AIG&#8217;s inability to post collateral?</p>
<p>The bottom line, of course, is that other institutions never really did sell these mortgages. They thought they did, but did not. For all intents and purposes the losses from the decline in mortgage values now reverted back to the original sellers.  Of the two types of &#8220;sales&#8221;, &#8220;reselling&#8221; and &#8220;shorting&#8221;, naked shorting is the least disruptive to the financial system. The trade effectively disappears as if nothing happened. They thought they made a bet with a guy who could pay it, but did not. Of course, believing you made money probably effected your behavior in other ways, but that is what happens some times. Still, no money was lost&#8212;money was just not made.</p>
<p>Firms who thought they were hedging discovered they did not. Would they have gone &#8220;long&#8221; mortgages had they not been able to resell them? No. Many used AIG to free up regulatory capital&#8211;so by definition they could not have bought as much without someone like them to lower the capital requirement. This, of course, is not an &#8220;interconnectedness&#8221; problem, but a judgment problem based on their belief in AIG&#8217;s ability to pay if there were a problem. Other hedgers were likely hedging inventory so they would not have held as much, presumably.</p>
<p>This is speculation of course. They may have viewed AIG&#8217;s guarantees as so cheap that they entered into those trades opportunistically. They might have bought just as much as they would have otherwise. Still, all the losses, which the sellers thought would be AIG&#8217;s are now reverting back to the sellers.</p>
<p>When AIG failed, what should the regulators have done? First, they should have taken their damn time and thought about it. AIG&#8217;s failure was like a giant &#8220;long squeeze&#8221;. To replace the now failed company, there was likely enormous short selling in the CDS market&#8212;creating widening spreads and declining mortgage values. The sizes were large enough to have caused the rapid decline in mortgage values we saw. The Lucy study (UVA professor William Lucy) demonstrates this decline in values was not based on fundamentals, but panic long covering. Does this remind anyone of something similar? Long Term Capital of course.</p>
<p>What happened with LTCM? Greenspan, in a famous move which was criticized as encouraging moral hazard&#8211;how innocent that view seems today&#8212;met with LTCM&#8217;s counterparties and basically said &#8220;it is in your interest not to force these guys to post collateral&#8221;. Why? Because that would have set in motion an even larger wave of unwinding thus driving down prices further. One might call this &#8220;collateral posting forbearance&#8221;.</p>
<p>Paulson and Bernanke should have called a big &#8220;timeout&#8221; and required the sellers to look at the true underlying value of these instruments What is true? Pontius Pilate once asked a similar question. What is true is one&#8217;s judgment as to what is true. That may not have been mark to market values. If the underlying instruments were still paying, an orderly process of unwinding could have occurred&#8212;without cash being put up by the government&#8212;and without forcing a long squeeze. </p>
<p>Some losses would have been taken just like 1998, and more so. AIG should have been broken up, resold, and gradually the rest of the financial system would have had to assume their positions&#8212;not the Government. But Paulson is a creature of Wall Street and is a &#8220;hopelessly talented&#8221; individual. Talented, because he can see the trees&#8212;hopeless because he cannot see the forest. In 1998, Greenspan lead. In 2008, Lloyd Blankfein lead. Goldman had money owed to it and it wanted it now. So Paulson gave it to them</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The social pressures are very strong. Simple money bribes would, in theory, work for a lonely misanthrope, but for most people it&#039;s the participating, the acceptance, the joining, the clubbiness which is just as important. Being invited to join the right clubs, playing golf with the right people, getting the right invitations, and so on. The money is part of that, but only part. 

That&#039;s why the idea that paying eg. judges a lot of money and giving them job security in the hope of making them incorruptible is never going to be wholly successful. The threat of social isolation remains, and is more than most people can stand. And the threat of isolation extends also to family - can their wives stand it? Can their children?

There is room for a more in-depth study of how pressure is actually exerted on policy-makers, and their vulnerabilities. I think there&#039;s a lot to be learned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The social pressures are very strong. Simple money bribes would, in theory, work for a lonely misanthrope, but for most people it&#8217;s the participating, the acceptance, the joining, the clubbiness which is just as important. Being invited to join the right clubs, playing golf with the right people, getting the right invitations, and so on. The money is part of that, but only part. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the idea that paying eg. judges a lot of money and giving them job security in the hope of making them incorruptible is never going to be wholly successful. The threat of social isolation remains, and is more than most people can stand. And the threat of isolation extends also to family &#8211; can their wives stand it? Can their children?</p>
<p>There is room for a more in-depth study of how pressure is actually exerted on policy-makers, and their vulnerabilities. I think there&#8217;s a lot to be learned.</p>
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