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		<title>By: The Baseline Scenario &#124; EthicalMarkets.com</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Baseline Scenario &#124; EthicalMarkets.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Why Bail Out AIG’s Creditors? Posted: 20 Mar 2009 10:49 AM PDT [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Afternoon Reading: Geithner’s Plan and Will the Banks Actually Bite &#124; Blogoboro.com Blogs</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Afternoon Reading: Geithner’s Plan and Will the Banks Actually Bite &#124; Blogoboro.com Blogs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] James Kwak over at Baseline Scenario thinks the government could let AIG fai, if the government takes certain steps. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Afternoon Reading: Geithner’s Plan and Will the Banks Actually Bite &#124; OptionHustler.com</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7637</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Afternoon Reading: Geithner’s Plan and Will the Banks Actually Bite &#124; OptionHustler.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] James Kwak over at Baseline Scenario thinks the government could let AIG fai, if the government takes certain steps. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Afternoon Reading: Geithners Plan and Will the Banks Actually Bite - Deal Journal - WSJ</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Afternoon Reading: Geithners Plan and Will the Banks Actually Bite - Deal Journal - WSJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] James Kwak over at Baseline Scenario thinks the government could let AIG fai, if the government takes certain steps. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Kwak over at Baseline Scenario thinks the government could let AIG fai, if the government takes certain steps. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Time to let AIG go &#171; Stocks Go Up. Stocks Go Down.</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7472</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Time to let AIG go &#171; Stocks Go Up. Stocks Go Down.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Time to let AIG&#160;go  Jump to Comments  Consensus view is to let this awful dog die: Why Bail Out AIG’s Creditors? [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: &#8216; READER QUESTIONS: NATIONALIZATION &#8216; FROM THE WWW. BASELINESCENARIO. COME. GREAT READ! &#171; Want Less Blog</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7461</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8216; READER QUESTIONS: NATIONALIZATION &#8216; FROM THE WWW. BASELINESCENARIO. COME. GREAT READ! &#171; Want Less Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] which Krugman somewhat hesitantly endorsed, was to guarantee the bank liabilities. Another, whichBebchuk suggested, was to guarantee the liabilities up to some level (which could vary by type of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] which Krugman somewhat hesitantly endorsed, was to guarantee the bank liabilities. Another, whichBebchuk suggested, was to guarantee the liabilities up to some level (which could vary by type of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nutcracker</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7426</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Get over the last eight years, what about the last 60 years?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get over the last eight years, what about the last 60 years?</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7425</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why bail-outs at all. After all is America not the mantle holder the cheif cheerleader of Capitalism. And more importantly what does insurance have to with Capitalism. As investors you invest and through your investments you arrive at insurance one might say you diversify for example take positions in index funds per say.

The bottom line here is this world has reached a pseudo Capital system for all now to stand witness for this has been going on for a very long time. I will call it the insured Capitalist HAHAHAAAA.  
x]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why bail-outs at all. After all is America not the mantle holder the cheif cheerleader of Capitalism. And more importantly what does insurance have to with Capitalism. As investors you invest and through your investments you arrive at insurance one might say you diversify for example take positions in index funds per say.</p>
<p>The bottom line here is this world has reached a pseudo Capital system for all now to stand witness for this has been going on for a very long time. I will call it the insured Capitalist HAHAHAAAA.<br />
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		<title>By: polit2k</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7411</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two more (anti-tunneling) suggestions to raise revenues and reduce the size of banks, insurers etc.

1.  Ban OTC derivatives trading and tax derivatives traded on exchanges.  Very cheap to collect through existing institutions.  Also enables better transparency.

2.  Require large financial institutions to be less leveraged than their smaller competitors. 

Note:  Do it as fast as the 90% TARP compensation tax was done.  Then, afterwards, sit down to discuss only the numbers and time frames with those involved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two more (anti-tunneling) suggestions to raise revenues and reduce the size of banks, insurers etc.</p>
<p>1.  Ban OTC derivatives trading and tax derivatives traded on exchanges.  Very cheap to collect through existing institutions.  Also enables better transparency.</p>
<p>2.  Require large financial institutions to be less leveraged than their smaller competitors. </p>
<p>Note:  Do it as fast as the 90% TARP compensation tax was done.  Then, afterwards, sit down to discuss only the numbers and time frames with those involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Kellock</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lindsay Kellock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In regard to my last post, there should be an open quote preceding the words leading the second para: The idea ... apologies ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to my last post, there should be an open quote preceding the words leading the second para: The idea &#8230; apologies &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Kellock</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lindsay Kellock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if there would be any comment on the article of March 18 (www.globalresearch.ca) by F. William Engdahl. It it titled &quot;Getting Tough&quot; with Predator Financial Institutions&quot; in which he discusses AIG ... 
and the Politics of Deflection&quot;?URL of this article: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=12787
 
In a discussion with economist Myron Scholes, he reports that Scholes says derivatives traded over the counter should be shut down completely. Speaking at York University Stern School of Business recently, he uoted Scholes as saying: &quot;the solution is really to blow up or burn&quot; the over-the-counter market and start over. He included derivatives on stocks, interest rate swaps and credit default swaps that should be then moved into regulated markets. 

The idea is simple and not that radical. A US law banning OTC derivatives and moving them to regulated exchanges would end a colossal ‘shadow banking&#039; fraud. Banks would not lose much more than already, but the world financial system would get back to ‘normal.&#039; OTC derivatives are unregulated precisely to hide risk and enable fraud by the banks. It is past time to end that. There is where the US Treasury and other Governments must focus, not on meaningless ‘transparency&#039; calls or trading bonus ‘justice.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there would be any comment on the article of March 18 (www.globalresearch.ca) by F. William Engdahl. It it titled &#8220;Getting Tough&#8221; with Predator Financial Institutions&#8221; in which he discusses AIG &#8230;<br />
and the Politics of Deflection&#8221;?URL of this article: <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&#038;aid=12787" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&#038;aid=12787</a></p>
<p>In a discussion with economist Myron Scholes, he reports that Scholes says derivatives traded over the counter should be shut down completely. Speaking at York University Stern School of Business recently, he uoted Scholes as saying: &#8220;the solution is really to blow up or burn&#8221; the over-the-counter market and start over. He included derivatives on stocks, interest rate swaps and credit default swaps that should be then moved into regulated markets. </p>
<p>The idea is simple and not that radical. A US law banning OTC derivatives and moving them to regulated exchanges would end a colossal ‘shadow banking&#8217; fraud. Banks would not lose much more than already, but the world financial system would get back to ‘normal.&#8217; OTC derivatives are unregulated precisely to hide risk and enable fraud by the banks. It is past time to end that. There is where the US Treasury and other Governments must focus, not on meaningless ‘transparency&#8217; calls or trading bonus ‘justice.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader Questions: Nationalization &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reader Questions: Nationalization &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] which Krugman somewhat hesitantly endorsed, was to guarantee the bank liabilities. Another, which Bebchuk suggested, was to guarantee the liabilities up to some level (which could vary by type of [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Valerie Gagnon</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7309</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie Gagnon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anonymous:

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<p>Wow</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/20/let-aig-fail-lucian-bebchuk/#comment-7302</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There appears to be a fair amount of indirection (&quot;smoke and mirrors&quot;) regarding the true center of the credit default swaps crisis. Two important points:

1. Robert Rubin, ex-employee of Goldman Sachs, assists Alan Greenspan in deflecting important regulation of derivatives. Citigroup&#039;s balance sheet swells with CDS during his tenure.

2. In the fall of 2008, Goldman Sachs becomes so desperate for cash that they pay Warren Buffet a guaranteed 10% /annum on a $5 billion cash investment.

Goldman Sachs wasn&#039;t making any money by underwriting IPOs during 2007-2008.They were orchestrating deals facilitated by elaborate swaps. AIG is proving to be the ashtray filled by other players. Congressional investigations should examine this series of deals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There appears to be a fair amount of indirection (&#8220;smoke and mirrors&#8221;) regarding the true center of the credit default swaps crisis. Two important points:</p>
<p>1. Robert Rubin, ex-employee of Goldman Sachs, assists Alan Greenspan in deflecting important regulation of derivatives. Citigroup&#8217;s balance sheet swells with CDS during his tenure.</p>
<p>2. In the fall of 2008, Goldman Sachs becomes so desperate for cash that they pay Warren Buffet a guaranteed 10% /annum on a $5 billion cash investment.</p>
<p>Goldman Sachs wasn&#8217;t making any money by underwriting IPOs during 2007-2008.They were orchestrating deals facilitated by elaborate swaps. AIG is proving to be the ashtray filled by other players. Congressional investigations should examine this series of deals.</p>
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		<title>By: bewilderedandindespair</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bewilderedandindespair]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It takes more than a soundbite to explain the AIG scandal...AIG bonus issue is a no brainer.  

The only way the AIG scandal will be addressed by the media is if the Justice Department sets an investigation in motion.  In an audit of Goldman was done using values from Sept 14th prior to Lehmans demise and the free money train that passed through AIG, it would be the defining truth of whether or not Lehman failing benefited Goldman (and all of it&#039;s affiliates and subsidiaries) or not.  It is CLEAR that NOT taking AIG into receivorship benefited Goldman, and i don&#039;t understand either, why no one except a hand full of people around the country, even noticed what how unsavory (euphamism) the &quot;Lehman/AIG/switchtobankholdingdompanies/and finally TARP 1 dole outs &quot; look until the bonus issue broke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes more than a soundbite to explain the AIG scandal&#8230;AIG bonus issue is a no brainer.  </p>
<p>The only way the AIG scandal will be addressed by the media is if the Justice Department sets an investigation in motion.  In an audit of Goldman was done using values from Sept 14th prior to Lehmans demise and the free money train that passed through AIG, it would be the defining truth of whether or not Lehman failing benefited Goldman (and all of it&#8217;s affiliates and subsidiaries) or not.  It is CLEAR that NOT taking AIG into receivorship benefited Goldman, and i don&#8217;t understand either, why no one except a hand full of people around the country, even noticed what how unsavory (euphamism) the &#8220;Lehman/AIG/switchtobankholdingdompanies/and finally TARP 1 dole outs &#8221; look until the bonus issue broke.</p>
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