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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think, in fact, that &quot;wait&quot; will make it FAR EASIER to pass nationalization through Congress.  If &quot;wait&quot; is done correctly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, in fact, that &#8220;wait&#8221; will make it FAR EASIER to pass nationalization through Congress.  If &#8220;wait&#8221; is done correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate to say this, but with Obama being the genius politician he is, I believe that he has realized that letting the economic situation get worse -- until the Republicans utterly self-destruct or flee to him -- is the way to get the power necessary to carry through the rest of his agenda (fight climate change, enact national health care, etc.)  The rest of his agenda is in fact more important than preventing a Second Great Depression.

Particularly fighting climate change, which threatens the survival of civilization -- but also national health care, which will simply improve everyone&#039;s standard of living even if unemployment goes way up.

I hope Obama&#039;s political estimation is correct.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say this, but with Obama being the genius politician he is, I believe that he has realized that letting the economic situation get worse &#8212; until the Republicans utterly self-destruct or flee to him &#8212; is the way to get the power necessary to carry through the rest of his agenda (fight climate change, enact national health care, etc.)  The rest of his agenda is in fact more important than preventing a Second Great Depression.</p>
<p>Particularly fighting climate change, which threatens the survival of civilization &#8212; but also national health care, which will simply improve everyone&#8217;s standard of living even if unemployment goes way up.</p>
<p>I hope Obama&#8217;s political estimation is correct.</p>
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		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6244</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  That Worked (?) At last, our long wait to learn the Administration&#8217;s policy on banking is over.  The policy is: wait.  This [...] [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: billmon</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6237</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The roof has a massive hole, a hurricane has definitely been sighted, but it is sunny today.&quot;

More like: The leading edge of the hurricane has slammed ashore, and ripped most of the house apart, but we&#039;re in the eye now, and the winds have died down to a managable 40-50 mph. And that black mass of clouds that is the other side of the eye wall fast approaching? Well, we&#039;re worry about that when it hits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The roof has a massive hole, a hurricane has definitely been sighted, but it is sunny today.&#8221;</p>
<p>More like: The leading edge of the hurricane has slammed ashore, and ripped most of the house apart, but we&#8217;re in the eye now, and the winds have died down to a managable 40-50 mph. And that black mass of clouds that is the other side of the eye wall fast approaching? Well, we&#8217;re worry about that when it hits.</p>
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		<title>By: may</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[may]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the IMF faulty prescriptions are being raised here:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/jstreet/415969/why_should_we_listen_to_simon_johnson?rel=hpbox
Why Should We Listen to Simon Johnson?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the IMF faulty prescriptions are being raised here:<br />
<a href="http://www.thenation.com/blogs/jstreet/415969/why_should_we_listen_to_simon_johnson?rel=hpbox" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/blogs/jstreet/415969/why_should_we_listen_to_simon_johnson?rel=hpbox</a><br />
Why Should We Listen to Simon Johnson?</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6200</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can we be sure &quot;waiting&quot; is the strategy of Geithner et al. or could we be looking at what is more likely paralysis?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we be sure &#8220;waiting&#8221; is the strategy of Geithner et al. or could we be looking at what is more likely paralysis?</p>
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		<title>By: d4winds</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6182</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re, &quot;The policy is: wait.&quot;
A more complete statement may be 
    &quot;The policy is: wait; then bail-out upon request.&quot;

This makes it a bit clearer that a change in administrations has meant no change in policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re, &#8220;The policy is: wait.&#8221;<br />
A more complete statement may be<br />
    &#8220;The policy is: wait; then bail-out upon request.&#8221;</p>
<p>This makes it a bit clearer that a change in administrations has meant no change in policy.</p>
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		<title>By: try2bamused</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6171</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You wrote: &quot;...these are smart people, and they only put out such encouraging public words when their private information indicates that things are going much better.&quot;

Here is an alternative, significantly more skeptical interpretation: They are talking their book!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote: &#8220;&#8230;these are smart people, and they only put out such encouraging public words when their private information indicates that things are going much better.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is an alternative, significantly more skeptical interpretation: They are talking their book!</p>
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		<title>By: That Worked (?) « The Baseline Scenario &#171; US Economic Views</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6166</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[That Worked (?) « The Baseline Scenario &#171; US Economic Views]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a comment &#187;  That Worked (?) « The Baseline Scenario: At last, our long wait to learn the Administration’s policy on banking is over. The policy is: [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: &#8216; BUT ARE THEY BUYING IT?&#8217; , THE BASELINE SCENARIO ABOUT THE BOND LANDSCAPE. WILL THE FEDS INSIST THEY TAKE BIG HITS AS WELL AS STOCKHOLDERS? &#171; Want Less Blog</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6164</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8216; BUT ARE THEY BUYING IT?&#8217; , THE BASELINE SCENARIO ABOUT THE BOND LANDSCAPE. WILL THE FEDS INSIST THEY TAKE BIG HITS AS WELL AS STOCKHOLDERS? &#171; Want Less Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Mar 2009 08:23 AM PDT   As Simon wrote this morning, the administration strategy is to wait and see if the economy turns around, lifting [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mar 2009 08:23 AM PDT   As Simon wrote this morning, the administration strategy is to wait and see if the economy turns around, lifting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Moue Magazine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Citi Still Looks-Well, It Rhymes</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6158</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moue Magazine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Citi Still Looks-Well, It Rhymes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is a chart of the CDS spread from yesterday, courtesy of Baseline Scenario, and it paints a less rosy picture of Citgroup than the company&#8217;s memo (and Wall [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is a chart of the CDS spread from yesterday, courtesy of Baseline Scenario, and it paints a less rosy picture of Citgroup than the company&#8217;s memo (and Wall [...]</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6155</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is economics a &quot;science&quot; in the sense of physical and biological sciences?  It is ultimately based on individuals and their behavior is it not?  And is  that behavior deemed consistent over time? 

Could it be that our previous economic indicators are in a state of dislocation between linear, simple cause and effect indicators and more holistic, synergetic, or circular models?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is economics a &#8220;science&#8221; in the sense of physical and biological sciences?  It is ultimately based on individuals and their behavior is it not?  And is  that behavior deemed consistent over time? </p>
<p>Could it be that our previous economic indicators are in a state of dislocation between linear, simple cause and effect indicators and more holistic, synergetic, or circular models?</p>
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		<title>By: JimP</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JimP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[StatsGuy - 

And is this gamble more of a gamble than nationalization? I don&#039;t think so. Congress would simply never allow full Federal assumption of the bank debt. There would be a populist revolt - which the web deflationists are stirring up right now. We are acting as our own Andrew Mellon - liquidating ourselves for the pure fun of it. Read Calculated Rick - or Naked Capitalism. They think deflation would be just dandy and fun.

Congress would absolutely force a senior bank debt cramdown - and that would be the end of all things beautiful and true. The insurance industry would go bust - policy holders would run the insurance industry - and world wide asset values would just vanish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StatsGuy &#8211; </p>
<p>And is this gamble more of a gamble than nationalization? I don&#8217;t think so. Congress would simply never allow full Federal assumption of the bank debt. There would be a populist revolt &#8211; which the web deflationists are stirring up right now. We are acting as our own Andrew Mellon &#8211; liquidating ourselves for the pure fun of it. Read Calculated Rick &#8211; or Naked Capitalism. They think deflation would be just dandy and fun.</p>
<p>Congress would absolutely force a senior bank debt cramdown &#8211; and that would be the end of all things beautiful and true. The insurance industry would go bust &#8211; policy holders would run the insurance industry &#8211; and world wide asset values would just vanish.</p>
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		<title>By: JimP</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6147</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JimP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[StatsGuy

I agree - it is what they are doing - and I also agree - kudos - absolute kudos to them - if it works.

And this guy - who is no fool at all - thinks it might well work.

http://blog.atimes.net/?p=718

as does Bronte capital. These banks are earning a lot of money. That makes them harder to nationalize - which - pleases me. I am a Burkian - and want the least fuss and risk possible. The aim of this website here - which is to overturn the world just for the heck of it - has no appeal to me - if we can possibly avoid it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StatsGuy</p>
<p>I agree &#8211; it is what they are doing &#8211; and I also agree &#8211; kudos &#8211; absolute kudos to them &#8211; if it works.</p>
<p>And this guy &#8211; who is no fool at all &#8211; thinks it might well work.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.atimes.net/?p=718" rel="nofollow">http://blog.atimes.net/?p=718</a></p>
<p>as does Bronte capital. These banks are earning a lot of money. That makes them harder to nationalize &#8211; which &#8211; pleases me. I am a Burkian &#8211; and want the least fuss and risk possible. The aim of this website here &#8211; which is to overturn the world just for the heck of it &#8211; has no appeal to me &#8211; if we can possibly avoid it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alt-A Loan Problems Rearing Their Ugly Heads Again &#124; But Then What</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/11/that-worked/#comment-6135</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alt-A Loan Problems Rearing Their Ugly Heads Again &#124; But Then What]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Johnson wrote a piece this morning for the Baseline Scenario in which he suggests that the official government policy is now to wait. They see or want to see [...]]]></description>
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