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		<title>By: Whistling Past the Graveyard - The Plank</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on further easing of monetary policy around the world. Europe needs a stabilization fund that can help weaker eurozone member countries and reduce the odds that they are forced to borrow from the IMF. And we urgently need action to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on further easing of monetary policy around the world. Europe needs a stabilization fund that can help weaker eurozone member countries and reduce the odds that they are forced to borrow from the IMF. And we urgently need action to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dublin Opinion &#187; Blog Archive &#187; People making cuts all over the place</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] But whatever about the finer detail he is right about not letting those who claim that we can’t borrow prevent us from looking to grow the economy. The EU is already looking at providing lines of credit to countries as part of a stimulus initiative. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: 1 Boring Old Man &#187; corporate &#8220;raider/traders&#8221;&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] yet reached the worst moment. And, of course, there are many more shocks heading our way - mostly from Europe but also potentially from [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Confusion, Tunneling, And Looting &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] reached the worst moment.  And, of course, there are many more shocks heading our way - mostly from Europe, but also potentially from [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Mark T. Market</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nassim Taleb &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecriticalthinker.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/banks-moral-hazards/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;spoke out in Davos&lt;/a&gt; about banks and the moral hazard of bailouts.

He and Nouriel Roubini were &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecriticalthinker.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/dr-doom-black-swan/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;both interviewed at CNBC recently&lt;/a&gt;, but soundbite journalists are incapable of handling their views sadly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nassim Taleb <a href="http://thecriticalthinker.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/banks-moral-hazards/" rel="nofollow">spoke out in Davos</a> about banks and the moral hazard of bailouts.</p>
<p>He and Nouriel Roubini were <a href="http://thecriticalthinker.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/dr-doom-black-swan/" rel="nofollow">both interviewed at CNBC recently</a>, but soundbite journalists are incapable of handling their views sadly.</p>
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		<title>By: George Alberts</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have the following issues for you to consider:

I am relying partially upon numbers as presented by Susan Wachter in the Yale seminars entitled “Subprime Lending and the Procyclical Production of Risk” shown in two of her graphs at the end of 2006. I also looked in Eurostat statistics to look at the same categories for Europe. The results are shown below:


Gross Debt as % GDP	USA 2006	EU 2006
		
Financial Institutions	118%	Not found
Households	100	66
Non Financial Companies	75	266
Government	52	66
Total	345%	398%

Questions:
1.	Can anyone confirm these numbers?
2.	Greenspan, in his latest speech to the Economic Club in New York, says that debts of the financial sector on a global basis, cancels out. That is debts owed by financial institutions have been utilised to provide loans to the other sectors, i.e. Households, Non-Financial Institutions and Government – and so we need to eliminate double counting. Is this a valid assumption/approach? In any case, following this approach, Gross Debt as % of GDP – excluding Financial Institutions – is 227% in the US while it is 398% in Europe. Do we agree that Europe has the bigger problem? Europe also has a lower long term economic growth potential than the US – caused by many factors including demographics.
3.	Everyone seems to agree that we are entering a period of deleveraging. Households, Financial Institutions and Non-financial companies – everyone, except of course for Governments, is trying to reduce their debt. I am trying to figure out what this means for the cost of capital. What will this mean for the expected return on equity? What will this mean for interest rates – government and corporate? Strictly speaking, all things being equal, if non-financial companies deleverage, the return on equity will decline, unless of course borrowing costs drop commensurately. (A long term reduction in expected equity returns is probably being priced into the stock market now, as is expected growth.)
4.	However, equity capital will still require a risk premium over and above the expected return on government and corporate debt. So what will happen with interest rates on a long term basis? In the short term the US government will continue to try to keep down US bond yields through interest rate policy and also by buying longer term treasuries. This, they hope, will bring down mortgage rates and of course other consumer and corporate lending rates. Longer term we can expect more inflation. Presently the differential between 10 year US Treasuries versus AAA corporate is about 3%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the following issues for you to consider:</p>
<p>I am relying partially upon numbers as presented by Susan Wachter in the Yale seminars entitled “Subprime Lending and the Procyclical Production of Risk” shown in two of her graphs at the end of 2006. I also looked in Eurostat statistics to look at the same categories for Europe. The results are shown below:</p>
<p>Gross Debt as % GDP	USA 2006	EU 2006</p>
<p>Financial Institutions	118%	Not found<br />
Households	100	66<br />
Non Financial Companies	75	266<br />
Government	52	66<br />
Total	345%	398%</p>
<p>Questions:<br />
1.	Can anyone confirm these numbers?<br />
2.	Greenspan, in his latest speech to the Economic Club in New York, says that debts of the financial sector on a global basis, cancels out. That is debts owed by financial institutions have been utilised to provide loans to the other sectors, i.e. Households, Non-Financial Institutions and Government – and so we need to eliminate double counting. Is this a valid assumption/approach? In any case, following this approach, Gross Debt as % of GDP – excluding Financial Institutions – is 227% in the US while it is 398% in Europe. Do we agree that Europe has the bigger problem? Europe also has a lower long term economic growth potential than the US – caused by many factors including demographics.<br />
3.	Everyone seems to agree that we are entering a period of deleveraging. Households, Financial Institutions and Non-financial companies – everyone, except of course for Governments, is trying to reduce their debt. I am trying to figure out what this means for the cost of capital. What will this mean for the expected return on equity? What will this mean for interest rates – government and corporate? Strictly speaking, all things being equal, if non-financial companies deleverage, the return on equity will decline, unless of course borrowing costs drop commensurately. (A long term reduction in expected equity returns is probably being priced into the stock market now, as is expected growth.)<br />
4.	However, equity capital will still require a risk premium over and above the expected return on government and corporate debt. So what will happen with interest rates on a long term basis? In the short term the US government will continue to try to keep down US bond yields through interest rate policy and also by buying longer term treasuries. This, they hope, will bring down mortgage rates and of course other consumer and corporate lending rates. Longer term we can expect more inflation. Presently the differential between 10 year US Treasuries versus AAA corporate is about 3%.</p>
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		<title>By: John Papola</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Papola]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon,

Love your blog.  Has any of this crisis and it&#039;s causes led you to question the value of central banking and consider the Austrian position of eliminating it?  How can any of us trust government with discretionary money creation after this 20 year double-bubble-double-trouble disaster?  Even if the arsonists are able to put out the fire, shouldn&#039;t we still put them in jail and throw away the key for starting it in the first place?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
<p>Love your blog.  Has any of this crisis and it&#8217;s causes led you to question the value of central banking and consider the Austrian position of eliminating it?  How can any of us trust government with discretionary money creation after this 20 year double-bubble-double-trouble disaster?  Even if the arsonists are able to put out the fire, shouldn&#8217;t we still put them in jail and throw away the key for starting it in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Huisbonger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Billy Huisbonger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heard about Free Europe Constitution. 2 000 votes already there, most of them yes. Is it sponsored by Brussels?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard about Free Europe Constitution. 2 000 votes already there, most of them yes. Is it sponsored by Brussels?</p>
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		<title>By: Francis M. Miller</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/22/the-choice-save-europe-now-or-later/#comment-4661</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis M. Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My preliminary nominations for the Financial and Economic Manifesto Convention to be held in Denver, Colorado.

Nominations are now being taken for the Nominating Committee.

Preliminary nominations for the Core Group, are as follows:
1. Jim Grant
2. Mohammed El Ehrian
3. Bill Gross
4. Charles Morris
5. Niall Ferguson
6. Peter L. Bernstein
7. Lawrence Lessig
8. E. O. Wilson
9. John Steele Gordon
10. Amity Shlaes
11. Robert Prechter
12. George Soros
13. LiaQuat Ahamed
14. Joseph E. Stiglitz
15. Robert Shiller
16. Martin Feldstein
17. Charles Morris

Rules of the Road
1. Core Group is nominated and each C.G. participant allowed to bring in 2-3 additional players.
2. Group meets and uses open outcry method to hammer out consensus.
3. First Report-Day 1
   a. What got us into this mess.
   b. Tragic flaws in current approach
   c. Requirements for new system
   d. Recommendations on where to bury the dead dinosaurs and elephants.
4. Lunch

Gentlemen and/or Ladies: Imagine you are Davy Crockett and his Kentucky indian fighters arriving at the Alamo. Col. Travis and Jim Bowie give you an assessment of the situation. You look over the walls and see the campfires of 5,000 Mexicans assembled to deal with the Gringo situation. There is a line drawn in the sand. You must decide what to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My preliminary nominations for the Financial and Economic Manifesto Convention to be held in Denver, Colorado.</p>
<p>Nominations are now being taken for the Nominating Committee.</p>
<p>Preliminary nominations for the Core Group, are as follows:<br />
1. Jim Grant<br />
2. Mohammed El Ehrian<br />
3. Bill Gross<br />
4. Charles Morris<br />
5. Niall Ferguson<br />
6. Peter L. Bernstein<br />
7. Lawrence Lessig<br />
8. E. O. Wilson<br />
9. John Steele Gordon<br />
10. Amity Shlaes<br />
11. Robert Prechter<br />
12. George Soros<br />
13. LiaQuat Ahamed<br />
14. Joseph E. Stiglitz<br />
15. Robert Shiller<br />
16. Martin Feldstein<br />
17. Charles Morris</p>
<p>Rules of the Road<br />
1. Core Group is nominated and each C.G. participant allowed to bring in 2-3 additional players.<br />
2. Group meets and uses open outcry method to hammer out consensus.<br />
3. First Report-Day 1<br />
   a. What got us into this mess.<br />
   b. Tragic flaws in current approach<br />
   c. Requirements for new system<br />
   d. Recommendations on where to bury the dead dinosaurs and elephants.<br />
4. Lunch</p>
<p>Gentlemen and/or Ladies: Imagine you are Davy Crockett and his Kentucky indian fighters arriving at the Alamo. Col. Travis and Jim Bowie give you an assessment of the situation. You look over the walls and see the campfires of 5,000 Mexicans assembled to deal with the Gringo situation. There is a line drawn in the sand. You must decide what to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis M. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis M. Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Chinese concept of wu wei(do nothing) works well when watching tomatoes ripen on the vine but I wouldn&#039;t recommend it when doing a turnarounds or workout. But, this situation is much bigger than even turning around the behemoths of Wall Street and helping them maintain their hegemony. The inter-bank lending system is an outgrowth of the industrial economic age and has outlived its usefulness. My experience is that you can&#039;t expect something on the order of The MERC to emerge from the minds of a guy who has lived his life in government service and goes to tennis camp with the other players. Nor can it come from the do-dahs who have been leading the big banks. 

There&#039;s a wonderful tv commercial where this guy Rodger, who has the old analogue telephone service is calling his tatoo artist,complaining that he wanted a tiger on his body, not tiger stripes all over it. He thinks that merely by having new digital phone service he can explain the mistake and by virtue of communicating the problem will be resolved. The tatoo artist tries to tell him that tattoos are permanent. Just before exhausting himself the artist says, &quot;Roger, you tiger now&quot;. 

Anyone who expects a bunch of R.E.M.F.s&#039; to suddenly turn on a light bulb in their head and create the 21st century global financial system is nuts. This endeavor will be the lengthened shadow of a single man leading a team. I would suggest that a convention be held, not in Washington, DC or New York, but someplace like Denver. Have the top 25 guys who know what they are talking about convene and begin to draft a declaration and constitution--that is, a framework document for what is necessary. Keep the ass-holes away. I believe that if pulled together the best minds and got it down on a website energy would develop behind it faster than Obama&#039;s campaign. Maybe BaseLine Scenario can be the catalyst for something pragmatic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chinese concept of wu wei(do nothing) works well when watching tomatoes ripen on the vine but I wouldn&#8217;t recommend it when doing a turnarounds or workout. But, this situation is much bigger than even turning around the behemoths of Wall Street and helping them maintain their hegemony. The inter-bank lending system is an outgrowth of the industrial economic age and has outlived its usefulness. My experience is that you can&#8217;t expect something on the order of The MERC to emerge from the minds of a guy who has lived his life in government service and goes to tennis camp with the other players. Nor can it come from the do-dahs who have been leading the big banks. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a wonderful tv commercial where this guy Rodger, who has the old analogue telephone service is calling his tatoo artist,complaining that he wanted a tiger on his body, not tiger stripes all over it. He thinks that merely by having new digital phone service he can explain the mistake and by virtue of communicating the problem will be resolved. The tatoo artist tries to tell him that tattoos are permanent. Just before exhausting himself the artist says, &#8220;Roger, you tiger now&#8221;. </p>
<p>Anyone who expects a bunch of R.E.M.F.s&#8217; to suddenly turn on a light bulb in their head and create the 21st century global financial system is nuts. This endeavor will be the lengthened shadow of a single man leading a team. I would suggest that a convention be held, not in Washington, DC or New York, but someplace like Denver. Have the top 25 guys who know what they are talking about convene and begin to draft a declaration and constitution&#8211;that is, a framework document for what is necessary. Keep the ass-holes away. I believe that if pulled together the best minds and got it down on a website energy would develop behind it faster than Obama&#8217;s campaign. Maybe BaseLine Scenario can be the catalyst for something pragmatic.</p>
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		<title>By: K T Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[K T Cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more thought.  This solution assumes everyone will stay where they are and work as hard as they can.  If there is a significant movement of people, earnings or cash, the whole thing falls apart.

If you&#039;re an EE, say, in Germany or France and you speak passable English, are you going to stick around as the bill comes due for $2.6T, the working population shrinks, the country ages and your savings are destroyed by inflation?

When you attack the productive people, they either stop producing or they leave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thought.  This solution assumes everyone will stay where they are and work as hard as they can.  If there is a significant movement of people, earnings or cash, the whole thing falls apart.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re an EE, say, in Germany or France and you speak passable English, are you going to stick around as the bill comes due for $2.6T, the working population shrinks, the country ages and your savings are destroyed by inflation?</p>
<p>When you attack the productive people, they either stop producing or they leave.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moral hazard is an inescapable law of economics; there&#039;s no &quot;hang-up&quot; per se, only a trade off. For some, it&#039;s worth it to suffer more in the near term if your neighbor learns his lesson and doesn&#039;t come begging every time he stumbles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moral hazard is an inescapable law of economics; there&#8217;s no &#8220;hang-up&#8221; per se, only a trade off. For some, it&#8217;s worth it to suffer more in the near term if your neighbor learns his lesson and doesn&#8217;t come begging every time he stumbles.</p>
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		<title>By: K T Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[K T Cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re doing this experiment already in the US with California.  The stimulus bill is going to borrow huge amounts of money and give a lot of it to California.  The end result will be that a year from now, California will come right back to the trough, begging for more because they will nt have made any cuts.  Remember, that under the new budget, any new income (read: cash from Uncle Sam) will be used to eliminate budget cuts.

As for inflation not being a boogieman, what you&#039;re really saying is let&#039;s stick it to the people who saved and invested and planned for the future.  That&#039;s fine if you want less of that.  Why save money if the stuff is going to be inflated away?

Finally, you&#039;re missing a much bigger picture here.  Europe is quickly aging and will have no chance to pay this back.  Their birth rates are well below replacement levels.  Unless you expect a pack of Eurogeezers to get back to work in the factories and mines, your $2.6T or whatever number you want to pull out of the air is just going to end up being printed.

In the end, wages and standards of living will fall and there&#039;s nothing you can do about it.  You can either do it through inflation and discourage prudent behavior or you can do it through deflation and economic wreckage and watch the profligate people get creamed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re doing this experiment already in the US with California.  The stimulus bill is going to borrow huge amounts of money and give a lot of it to California.  The end result will be that a year from now, California will come right back to the trough, begging for more because they will nt have made any cuts.  Remember, that under the new budget, any new income (read: cash from Uncle Sam) will be used to eliminate budget cuts.</p>
<p>As for inflation not being a boogieman, what you&#8217;re really saying is let&#8217;s stick it to the people who saved and invested and planned for the future.  That&#8217;s fine if you want less of that.  Why save money if the stuff is going to be inflated away?</p>
<p>Finally, you&#8217;re missing a much bigger picture here.  Europe is quickly aging and will have no chance to pay this back.  Their birth rates are well below replacement levels.  Unless you expect a pack of Eurogeezers to get back to work in the factories and mines, your $2.6T or whatever number you want to pull out of the air is just going to end up being printed.</p>
<p>In the end, wages and standards of living will fall and there&#8217;s nothing you can do about it.  You can either do it through inflation and discourage prudent behavior or you can do it through deflation and economic wreckage and watch the profligate people get creamed.</p>
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		<title>By: one other choice</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/22/the-choice-save-europe-now-or-later/#comment-4654</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[one other choice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It goes something like this: do not create any European Stability Fund. Get rid of Trichet pronto (because he did not) Stop the swap with Fed. Do not lower the interest rate any further under no circumstances. Create a good bank and let the dead drop (or their debt holders voluntarily become the new equity). Ban the deposit insurance over 200.00 EUR within the EU. Stop the governmental insurance of banks debt pronto. Ban any further governmental guarantee (to any bank or insurance co) in the EU (as illegal). Then peg the Swiss franc to Euro without any objection possible by the Swiss, swap Euros to Russia – unlimited / probably with Chinese-like strings attached. Swap them also to every EU country except the UK. UK can go Darling itself. If France re-enters Nato, make sure Europe seizes the (decision making) control. No Afganistan engagement enlargement without consent of Russia China and India. They should pay for this with their troops at least and with some financing to go with. Do not pay any one cent to any one US debt due (US bank) due to fraud – go to courts if needed. Do not recognize any one CDS as legally binding / it is not. And that’s just an outline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes something like this: do not create any European Stability Fund. Get rid of Trichet pronto (because he did not) Stop the swap with Fed. Do not lower the interest rate any further under no circumstances. Create a good bank and let the dead drop (or their debt holders voluntarily become the new equity). Ban the deposit insurance over 200.00 EUR within the EU. Stop the governmental insurance of banks debt pronto. Ban any further governmental guarantee (to any bank or insurance co) in the EU (as illegal). Then peg the Swiss franc to Euro without any objection possible by the Swiss, swap Euros to Russia – unlimited / probably with Chinese-like strings attached. Swap them also to every EU country except the UK. UK can go Darling itself. If France re-enters Nato, make sure Europe seizes the (decision making) control. No Afganistan engagement enlargement without consent of Russia China and India. They should pay for this with their troops at least and with some financing to go with. Do not pay any one cent to any one US debt due (US bank) due to fraud – go to courts if needed. Do not recognize any one CDS as legally binding / it is not. And that’s just an outline.</p>
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