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		<title>By: my2cents</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-6355</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am no expert in economics, but it seems to me that the goal of involving the private sector is to protect government money while efficiently and fairly manage the sale of hard-to-value assets. I am not sure if I am right in thinking that this mechanism creates a moral hazard from the banks point of view. The banks, as institutions, can simply unload the toxic assets to another entity. Also, the bank executives, as was mentioned in other places, can simply leave the bank to sink at any time after securing their escape. Maybe if banks and bank executives are tied to the deal by getting them to share some of the losses, this will give them incentive to sell the assets with minimum loss. Probably, the losses to the banks should be capped at some level so as not to jeopardize the bank solvency. 
Also, bank executives benefited generously during the boom years and it is only fair that they receive &quot;negative bonuses&quot;. This might be done in the form of raising their taxes or any other mean.  so a structure like 
first 10-15% loss to banks
next 5% loss to private shareholders
next 5-10% personal loss to bankers
then 70-80% loss to government]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am no expert in economics, but it seems to me that the goal of involving the private sector is to protect government money while efficiently and fairly manage the sale of hard-to-value assets. I am not sure if I am right in thinking that this mechanism creates a moral hazard from the banks point of view. The banks, as institutions, can simply unload the toxic assets to another entity. Also, the bank executives, as was mentioned in other places, can simply leave the bank to sink at any time after securing their escape. Maybe if banks and bank executives are tied to the deal by getting them to share some of the losses, this will give them incentive to sell the assets with minimum loss. Probably, the losses to the banks should be capped at some level so as not to jeopardize the bank solvency.<br />
Also, bank executives benefited generously during the boom years and it is only fair that they receive &#8220;negative bonuses&#8221;. This might be done in the form of raising their taxes or any other mean.  so a structure like<br />
first 10-15% loss to banks<br />
next 5% loss to private shareholders<br />
next 5-10% personal loss to bankers<br />
then 70-80% loss to government</p>
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		<title>By: VG</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-5906</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not a big fan of propping up insolvent banks.  But if the government has to prop them up to maintain stability, they could allow banks to &quot;smooth&quot; the losses, not unlike Pension/Healthcare accounting under FAS 87 and FAS106. They could give banks some time to recognize these losses such that their earnings replenishes capital faster than losses deplete them. This way, toxic assets are off their books, arguably at fair market value (a price at which buyers are willing to buy)and banks balance sheet become &quot;cleaner&quot; (not withstanding off balance sheet losses, but this is far better situation that highly uncertain on balance sheet toxic assets).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a big fan of propping up insolvent banks.  But if the government has to prop them up to maintain stability, they could allow banks to &#8220;smooth&#8221; the losses, not unlike Pension/Healthcare accounting under FAS 87 and FAS106. They could give banks some time to recognize these losses such that their earnings replenishes capital faster than losses deplete them. This way, toxic assets are off their books, arguably at fair market value (a price at which buyers are willing to buy)and banks balance sheet become &#8220;cleaner&#8221; (not withstanding off balance sheet losses, but this is far better situation that highly uncertain on balance sheet toxic assets).</p>
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		<title>By: &#8216;EVERYONE HAS A BANKING PLAY NOW.&#8217; JOHN SIMON WRITING ON WWW. BASELINESCENARIO .COM. EXCELLENT REVIEW OF SEVERAL CURRENTS PROPOSALS ABOUT TOXIC ASSETS &#38; HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM. &#171; Want Less Blog</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-5895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8216;EVERYONE HAS A BANKING PLAY NOW.&#8217; JOHN SIMON WRITING ON WWW. BASELINESCENARIO .COM. EXCELLENT REVIEW OF SEVERAL CURRENTS PROPOSALS ABOUT TOXIC ASSETS &#38; HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM. &#171; Want Less Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] If the government is going to buy toxic assets, I prefer Lucian Bebchuk’s model. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: &#8216;EVERYONE HAS A BANKING PLAY NOW.&#8217; JOHN SIMON WRITING ON WWW.BASELINESCENARIO.COM. EXCELLENT REVIEW OF SEVERAL CURRENTS PROPOSALS ABOUT TOXIC ASSETS &#38; HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM. &#171; Want Less Blog</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-5893</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8216;EVERYONE HAS A BANKING PLAY NOW.&#8217; JOHN SIMON WRITING ON WWW.BASELINESCENARIO.COM. EXCELLENT REVIEW OF SEVERAL CURRENTS PROPOSALS ABOUT TOXIC ASSETS &#38; HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM. &#171; Want Less Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] If the government is going to buy toxic assets, I prefer Lucian Bebchuk’s model. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Bayard</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-5870</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bayard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting article and discussion.  Perhaps the Bebchuck public/private TA purchase plan could work, but maybe only in combination with and FDIC temporary takeover, to enable the pricing of the TA&#039;s in an atmosphere without the existing bank ownership/managment feeling threatened.  And, yes, we are all sick of &quot;bailout fever&quot; but what else is there to do.  Don&#039;t do any of it, and watch the world fall into complete economic chaos (Financial Armageddon).

Additionally, I wish the talking heads would try harder to wrap there arms around the magnatude of the problem.  I believe that if we don&#039;t go into ultimate concern (panic) mode over the potential negative outcomes, we (the world as a whole) will come to regret it more than we can even imagine.  This situation actually has the potential to become far worse than the Great Depression.  If everyone of every political spectrum would just admit that they don&#039;t have any real reliable answer to the incredible depth and complexity of the problem, we will continue to fiddle while Rome burns.

Incidentally, it&#039;s not just the banking/financial oligarchs that got us here, but also the health care oligarchs, and the energy oligarchs.

Bottom line is that we should be having the most open conversation possible in the public venue, and resort to the most outrageously extreme options on a worldwide scale.  Timidity is the enemy of success.  Whatever we think is enough, multiply it by two and do it.  We may all be destined to look like central Africa if we don&#039;t.

I will be fascinated to see how much will there is for the G20 to assemble a bold plan to resolve the issues.  This is where the good will toward our President may make something bold and inovative possible.  Keep your fingers, toes, arms, legs and wallets crossed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article and discussion.  Perhaps the Bebchuck public/private TA purchase plan could work, but maybe only in combination with and FDIC temporary takeover, to enable the pricing of the TA&#8217;s in an atmosphere without the existing bank ownership/managment feeling threatened.  And, yes, we are all sick of &#8220;bailout fever&#8221; but what else is there to do.  Don&#8217;t do any of it, and watch the world fall into complete economic chaos (Financial Armageddon).</p>
<p>Additionally, I wish the talking heads would try harder to wrap there arms around the magnatude of the problem.  I believe that if we don&#8217;t go into ultimate concern (panic) mode over the potential negative outcomes, we (the world as a whole) will come to regret it more than we can even imagine.  This situation actually has the potential to become far worse than the Great Depression.  If everyone of every political spectrum would just admit that they don&#8217;t have any real reliable answer to the incredible depth and complexity of the problem, we will continue to fiddle while Rome burns.</p>
<p>Incidentally, it&#8217;s not just the banking/financial oligarchs that got us here, but also the health care oligarchs, and the energy oligarchs.</p>
<p>Bottom line is that we should be having the most open conversation possible in the public venue, and resort to the most outrageously extreme options on a worldwide scale.  Timidity is the enemy of success.  Whatever we think is enough, multiply it by two and do it.  We may all be destined to look like central Africa if we don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I will be fascinated to see how much will there is for the G20 to assemble a bold plan to resolve the issues.  This is where the good will toward our President may make something bold and inovative possible.  Keep your fingers, toes, arms, legs and wallets crossed.</p>
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		<title>By: Everyone Has a Banking Plan Now &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-5826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Everyone Has a Banking Plan Now &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] If the government is going to buy toxic assets, I prefer Lucian Bebchuk&#8217;s model. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-4222</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladimir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe I am being naive or over optimistic about Geithner&#039;s political power, but I think that the problem of banks not willing or able to sell the bad assets can be resolved through the test strees/recapitalization. If the tests are conducted with very conservative (bearish) assumptions and with a reasonable amount of transparency of results, the banks and Washington will be forced to accept reality. How many days a bank can survive with a no confidence vote from regulatros? By forcing them to mark down, the Treasury can create the possibility of marking up once they sell the assets. And politicaly, this strategy avoids the difficult decision of explicitly opting for nationalizationi. The Treasury can say &quot;I did not want to nationalize them, the problem was that they were insolvent&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I am being naive or over optimistic about Geithner&#8217;s political power, but I think that the problem of banks not willing or able to sell the bad assets can be resolved through the test strees/recapitalization. If the tests are conducted with very conservative (bearish) assumptions and with a reasonable amount of transparency of results, the banks and Washington will be forced to accept reality. How many days a bank can survive with a no confidence vote from regulatros? By forcing them to mark down, the Treasury can create the possibility of marking up once they sell the assets. And politicaly, this strategy avoids the difficult decision of explicitly opting for nationalizationi. The Treasury can say &#8220;I did not want to nationalize them, the problem was that they were insolvent&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: YLS Conference on the Financial Crisis &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-4189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YLS Conference on the Financial Crisis &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 02:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] (including better regulation) on Friday. There were a number of famous names present, including Lucian Bebchuk, Christopher Mayer (of the Hubbard-Mayer proposal), Anil Kashyap, and others. You can look at the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (including better regulation) on Friday. There were a number of famous names present, including Lucian Bebchuk, Christopher Mayer (of the Hubbard-Mayer proposal), Anil Kashyap, and others. You can look at the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Hayes</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-4188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Hayes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 02:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suspending mark-to-market. The following is meant only to encourage thinking of a third option to the current choice between nationalization and closure.  

We begin with the general proposition that time is not of the essence; that all the banks need is the time to earn enough money to write off/sell these toxic assets, and thereby keep $350 billion of taxpayer money for other good deeds. The world as we know it will not come to an end if we solve the toxic asset problem later, rather than sooner, so long as we all know what is going on and that the &quot;what&quot; sounds sensible.

By way of example, lets have a well publicized plan that lets the banks try do do just that by the end of say, seven years. Banks can choose to enter the program. Those that do not will play according to all the asset-valuation and risk-based capital ratio computation rules currently in effect, and be closed, if necessary. Recall that closure wipes out shareholders, subjects uninsured depositors and bond holders to a financial haircut and senior officers and members of the board of directors to possible financial penalties and other indignities.

At the beginning of the period, bank examiners at participating banks and their bank managers will agree on what assets to put in the pot and the value of those  assets as then appearing on the books of the banks. Banks will then be obliged to reduce that total by sale or write-off by a minimum of 1/7 at the end of each calendar year. Banks must make a report, easily available to the public, on their progress or lack thereof annually, no later than 31 days after the close of each calendar year. The report must bear the attestation of the CEO and CFO as well as the appropriate member of the board of directors. Those filing a fraudulent report would be subject to severe financial and possibly other penalties. The reduction must be met before the banks can pay a dividend or, if members of a bank holding company, send any funds for any reason to the holding company parent or any of its subsidiaries. If the minimum is not reached, the bank will be subject risk-based ratio calculations applied to all assets, and be closed if warranted. (The plan may include some exceptions to this general rule.) Total current and future remuneration of all senior officers and all members of the board of directors will be made part of the report.

At the end of the seven years, all surviving banks will be subject to risk based capital calculations in accordance with rules then in effect as applied to all assets. Federal regulators will then close, or permit to remain open, each bank in the program, as those calculations dictate. For banks designated for closure, the FDIC would perform its traditional role.

Going forward all banks of a specified size or larger will be subject to a &quot;to big to fail tax,&quot; similar to the &quot;luxury taxes&quot; now found in some professional sports. The tax will be in the form of risk-based capital ratios well in access of those currently in effect and applied to smaller banking companies and be in addition to deposit insurance premia. Banks in this class will be subject to closure rules much more strict than those applied to smaller banks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suspending mark-to-market. The following is meant only to encourage thinking of a third option to the current choice between nationalization and closure.  </p>
<p>We begin with the general proposition that time is not of the essence; that all the banks need is the time to earn enough money to write off/sell these toxic assets, and thereby keep $350 billion of taxpayer money for other good deeds. The world as we know it will not come to an end if we solve the toxic asset problem later, rather than sooner, so long as we all know what is going on and that the &#8220;what&#8221; sounds sensible.</p>
<p>By way of example, lets have a well publicized plan that lets the banks try do do just that by the end of say, seven years. Banks can choose to enter the program. Those that do not will play according to all the asset-valuation and risk-based capital ratio computation rules currently in effect, and be closed, if necessary. Recall that closure wipes out shareholders, subjects uninsured depositors and bond holders to a financial haircut and senior officers and members of the board of directors to possible financial penalties and other indignities.</p>
<p>At the beginning of the period, bank examiners at participating banks and their bank managers will agree on what assets to put in the pot and the value of those  assets as then appearing on the books of the banks. Banks will then be obliged to reduce that total by sale or write-off by a minimum of 1/7 at the end of each calendar year. Banks must make a report, easily available to the public, on their progress or lack thereof annually, no later than 31 days after the close of each calendar year. The report must bear the attestation of the CEO and CFO as well as the appropriate member of the board of directors. Those filing a fraudulent report would be subject to severe financial and possibly other penalties. The reduction must be met before the banks can pay a dividend or, if members of a bank holding company, send any funds for any reason to the holding company parent or any of its subsidiaries. If the minimum is not reached, the bank will be subject risk-based ratio calculations applied to all assets, and be closed if warranted. (The plan may include some exceptions to this general rule.) Total current and future remuneration of all senior officers and all members of the board of directors will be made part of the report.</p>
<p>At the end of the seven years, all surviving banks will be subject to risk based capital calculations in accordance with rules then in effect as applied to all assets. Federal regulators will then close, or permit to remain open, each bank in the program, as those calculations dictate. For banks designated for closure, the FDIC would perform its traditional role.</p>
<p>Going forward all banks of a specified size or larger will be subject to a &#8220;to big to fail tax,&#8221; similar to the &#8220;luxury taxes&#8221; now found in some professional sports. The tax will be in the form of risk-based capital ratios well in access of those currently in effect and applied to smaller banking companies and be in addition to deposit insurance premia. Banks in this class will be subject to closure rules much more strict than those applied to smaller banks.</p>
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		<title>By: billmon</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-4162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[billmon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;if buyers think that an asset is worth 30 cents, and the chances of it ever being worth more than 50 cents are infinitesimal, then they will never pay more than 50 cents - and we don’t know if that’s enough to get the banks to sell. So it’s possible that we could set up the most efficient possible mechanism for distributing government financing to the most well-incented fund managers, and the market could still fail.&quot;

Three words: chocolate-covered cotton.


Yossarian pushed his hand away. &quot;Give up, Milo. People can&#039;t eat cotton.&quot;

Milo&#039;s face narrowed cunningly. &quot;It isn&#039;t really cotton,&quot; he coaxed. &quot;I was joking. It&#039;s really cotton candy, delicious cotton candy. Try it and see.&quot;

&quot;Now you&#039;re lying.&quot;

&quot;I never lie!&quot; Milo rejoindered with proud dignity.


This is going to be a hopeless exercise until the powers that be finally face up to the reality that the vast chunks of the so-called &quot;legacy&quot; assets are completely WORTHLESS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if buyers think that an asset is worth 30 cents, and the chances of it ever being worth more than 50 cents are infinitesimal, then they will never pay more than 50 cents &#8211; and we don’t know if that’s enough to get the banks to sell. So it’s possible that we could set up the most efficient possible mechanism for distributing government financing to the most well-incented fund managers, and the market could still fail.&#8221;</p>
<p>Three words: chocolate-covered cotton.</p>
<p>Yossarian pushed his hand away. &#8220;Give up, Milo. People can&#8217;t eat cotton.&#8221;</p>
<p>Milo&#8217;s face narrowed cunningly. &#8220;It isn&#8217;t really cotton,&#8221; he coaxed. &#8220;I was joking. It&#8217;s really cotton candy, delicious cotton candy. Try it and see.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Now you&#8217;re lying.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I never lie!&#8221; Milo rejoindered with proud dignity.</p>
<p>This is going to be a hopeless exercise until the powers that be finally face up to the reality that the vast chunks of the so-called &#8220;legacy&#8221; assets are completely WORTHLESS.</p>
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		<title>By: Benign Brodwicz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benign Brodwicz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how this makes insolvent banks solvent.  If the government has to pump taxpayer money in to recapitalize them, it&#039;s just another transfer from taxpayers to bank managers and investors.  The zombie banks gets to blind the public with science again (my eyes glazed over reading the plan above), the sharp VC players (ex-investment bankers) get to make another killing in a financial shell game at taxpayer expense.

The nation&#039;s collective cognitive abilities are severely challenged right now.  Clarity is called for.  Write off the bad debt of the zombie banks, put them in receivorship, transfer control of marked-down assets and deposits to good banks.  Keep it simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how this makes insolvent banks solvent.  If the government has to pump taxpayer money in to recapitalize them, it&#8217;s just another transfer from taxpayers to bank managers and investors.  The zombie banks gets to blind the public with science again (my eyes glazed over reading the plan above), the sharp VC players (ex-investment bankers) get to make another killing in a financial shell game at taxpayer expense.</p>
<p>The nation&#8217;s collective cognitive abilities are severely challenged right now.  Clarity is called for.  Write off the bad debt of the zombie banks, put them in receivorship, transfer control of marked-down assets and deposits to good banks.  Keep it simple.</p>
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		<title>By: engineer27</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-4116</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[engineer27]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gee, I used to be able to read all the comments on this blog before posting (Curse You, Moyers!! ;-&#124;)

Bebchuk may be looking at the political reality that giving a handout to someone to clean up the banking mess for us might be more palatable than giving the handout to the bankers who caused the problem to begin with.

Like Simon has grown fond of saying, use one faction of the financial community against the other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, I used to be able to read all the comments on this blog before posting (Curse You, Moyers!! ;-|)</p>
<p>Bebchuk may be looking at the political reality that giving a handout to someone to clean up the banking mess for us might be more palatable than giving the handout to the bankers who caused the problem to begin with.</p>
<p>Like Simon has grown fond of saying, use one faction of the financial community against the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Foster</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-4114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s another obvious reason why this scam from Geithner wont&#039; work: By the time it&#039;s implemented the funds will have driven the Markets further into the ground and caused a massive state of panic.

Why? Because if you know that the government is planning to give you a free $1 trillion with no strings attached to buy assets, you&#039;ll want to make sure you get the lowest price possible for those assets to ensure a massive windfall. 

Basically, now the Funds know they are the strong party at the negotiating table. Geither is the weakling. The Funds can now make all sorts of demands, knowing that Geithner has no choice but to acquiesce.

Terrible position to be in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another obvious reason why this scam from Geithner wont&#8217; work: By the time it&#8217;s implemented the funds will have driven the Markets further into the ground and caused a massive state of panic.</p>
<p>Why? Because if you know that the government is planning to give you a free $1 trillion with no strings attached to buy assets, you&#8217;ll want to make sure you get the lowest price possible for those assets to ensure a massive windfall. </p>
<p>Basically, now the Funds know they are the strong party at the negotiating table. Geither is the weakling. The Funds can now make all sorts of demands, knowing that Geithner has no choice but to acquiesce.</p>
<p>Terrible position to be in.</p>
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		<title>By: James Saft</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-4107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Saft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See below for link to column in IHT on similar lines.
My concern is that leverage will be used to artificially inflate a price for assets and provide a mark for others.

LONDON: The plan for a public-private fund to buy up toxic assets in the United States is likely to amount to a fig leaf with which to hide subsidies to failing banks.

It is also, inevitably, an entirely new subsidy to outside investors, who by definition will participate only if they get better terms than are now available in what we formerly thought of as the free market.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/17/business/col18.php]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See below for link to column in IHT on similar lines.<br />
My concern is that leverage will be used to artificially inflate a price for assets and provide a mark for others.</p>
<p>LONDON: The plan for a public-private fund to buy up toxic assets in the United States is likely to amount to a fig leaf with which to hide subsidies to failing banks.</p>
<p>It is also, inevitably, an entirely new subsidy to outside investors, who by definition will participate only if they get better terms than are now available in what we formerly thought of as the free market.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/17/business/col18.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/17/business/col18.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/16/lucian-bebchuk-tarp-ii/#comment-4106</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A second question.  Who are the &quot;holders&quot; of the stocks and bonds that form the &quot;ownership&quot; of the banks (as distinguished, to whatever slight extent, from the management)?  In other words, when people talk about &quot;wiping out the stock and bond holders, who are we really talking about wiping out?  Are these banks held by a small group at the top, or is part of the problem that actually by wiping these groups out, we would be attacking even more the &quot;little&quot; guys whose 401Ks and pension funds are actually the owners of these companies?  Any clarification of this question would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A second question.  Who are the &#8220;holders&#8221; of the stocks and bonds that form the &#8220;ownership&#8221; of the banks (as distinguished, to whatever slight extent, from the management)?  In other words, when people talk about &#8220;wiping out the stock and bond holders, who are we really talking about wiping out?  Are these banks held by a small group at the top, or is part of the problem that actually by wiping these groups out, we would be attacking even more the &#8220;little&#8221; guys whose 401Ks and pension funds are actually the owners of these companies?  Any clarification of this question would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.</p>
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