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		<title>By: Abandon the assumption of continuity: Retirement funding update &#124; Recessioneering</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/15/household-assets-debt-savings-federal-reserve-survey/#comment-5431</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abandon the assumption of continuity: Retirement funding update &#124; Recessioneering]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] media. We already knew the system was in bad shape before September 2008. According to the Fed’s Survey of Consumer Finances, in 2007, only 60.9% of households where the head of household was age 55-64 had retirement [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] media. We already knew the system was in bad shape before September 2008. According to the Fed’s Survey of Consumer Finances, in 2007, only 60.9% of households where the head of household was age 55-64 had retirement [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Biggest Story of the Week &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Biggest Story of the Week &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] We already knew the system was in bad shape before September 2008. According to the Fed&#8217;s Survey of Consumer Finances, in 2007, only 60.9% of households where the head of household was age 55-64 had retirement [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We already knew the system was in bad shape before September 2008. According to the Fed&#8217;s Survey of Consumer Finances, in 2007, only 60.9% of households where the head of household was age 55-64 had retirement [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right way to do it?  Raise earning power.  How to do it fast?  Guaranteed minimum income or equivalent: a large-scale version of the Alaska Permanent Fund.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right way to do it?  Raise earning power.  How to do it fast?  Guaranteed minimum income or equivalent: a large-scale version of the Alaska Permanent Fund.</p>
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		<title>By: jake chase</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jake chase]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your household balance sheet avoids an essential point. The asset side is largely fantasy. The actual net worth of ninety percent of the population is negative. Homeowners get to live in houses while paying rent to banks and developing fantasies of equity which can only be realized upon death since for a live person selling one house requires buying another house unless the seller wants to live in his car, and even those phantom gains depend upon a rising market. Low wages are supported by credit card usury which combines with the catastrophic cost of mostly useless higher education to produce middle class impoverishment and you cannot paper this over with meaningless statistics about median this and that. With taxes at 35% it is impossible for a middle class to save anything. Those who rise succeed by gambling on stocks but the great majority comes in too late and gets vaporized by the periodic collapses. Today the financial markets are zero sum. Executives have capitalized all the profits for their own benefit through stock options, and even before the crash buying stocks was a mug&#039;s game. A company issues a billion shares and everyone gets excited about an earnings improvement of $.03 per share? You can watch over dressed people exchange opinions about this all day long and the amazing thing is they get paid huge sums for preparing these estimates and explaining why the earnings move up or down by $.01. Monkeys in the jungle display behavior no more senseless than this. Now that all the paper wealth is disappearing perhaps some economist will turn to getting what Veblen called the machine process functioning again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your household balance sheet avoids an essential point. The asset side is largely fantasy. The actual net worth of ninety percent of the population is negative. Homeowners get to live in houses while paying rent to banks and developing fantasies of equity which can only be realized upon death since for a live person selling one house requires buying another house unless the seller wants to live in his car, and even those phantom gains depend upon a rising market. Low wages are supported by credit card usury which combines with the catastrophic cost of mostly useless higher education to produce middle class impoverishment and you cannot paper this over with meaningless statistics about median this and that. With taxes at 35% it is impossible for a middle class to save anything. Those who rise succeed by gambling on stocks but the great majority comes in too late and gets vaporized by the periodic collapses. Today the financial markets are zero sum. Executives have capitalized all the profits for their own benefit through stock options, and even before the crash buying stocks was a mug&#8217;s game. A company issues a billion shares and everyone gets excited about an earnings improvement of $.03 per share? You can watch over dressed people exchange opinions about this all day long and the amazing thing is they get paid huge sums for preparing these estimates and explaining why the earnings move up or down by $.01. Monkeys in the jungle display behavior no more senseless than this. Now that all the paper wealth is disappearing perhaps some economist will turn to getting what Veblen called the machine process functioning again.</p>
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		<title>By: Links 18/02/09 &#171; Bounded Rationality</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Links 18/02/09 &#171; Bounded Rationality]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Francis M. Miller</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/15/household-assets-debt-savings-federal-reserve-survey/#comment-4123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis M. Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The portrayal of Average Joe as a guy with a defined benefit health and/or pension plan makes a lot of assumptions. Usually 70% to 80% of the populace is somewhat protected even if 25% of the Average Joes become Average Hobos. To do longitudinal trend analysis of balance sheets when pertubating and outlier events is a meaningless exercise. If this is merely your grandmother&#039;s business cycle pendulum, soon to center itself, then that one thing. But, if it&#039;s a discontinuity in evolution, and the dinosaurs begin collapsing in the swamp and the woolly mammoths begin to shrink, well that&#039;s another thing. Average Joe only exists statistically based on averages, means and modes for people who do not circulate socially with a horizontal cross section of society. A convenient abstract with inconvenient truths.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The portrayal of Average Joe as a guy with a defined benefit health and/or pension plan makes a lot of assumptions. Usually 70% to 80% of the populace is somewhat protected even if 25% of the Average Joes become Average Hobos. To do longitudinal trend analysis of balance sheets when pertubating and outlier events is a meaningless exercise. If this is merely your grandmother&#8217;s business cycle pendulum, soon to center itself, then that one thing. But, if it&#8217;s a discontinuity in evolution, and the dinosaurs begin collapsing in the swamp and the woolly mammoths begin to shrink, well that&#8217;s another thing. Average Joe only exists statistically based on averages, means and modes for people who do not circulate socially with a horizontal cross section of society. A convenient abstract with inconvenient truths.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles R. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles R. Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This analysis is based on cross-sectional data and not longitudinal data and this limits its usefulness. However, it does suggest that the wealth effect on Average Joe and his family will be relatively small. If Mr. Joe is mid-career, he views his house as shelter. His net worth has taken a beating on paper but the cost of housing his family is way down. If he moves, he will realize that loss but will spend far less to buy a comparable house in the new community. Average Joe retires on Social Security and a defined benefit pension supplemented with tax-sheltered savings and eventually the equity in his house. His small portfolio has taken a beating but from the long range point of view, this means he will have to work another 6 months or so before he retires or perhaps forgo his dream fishing boat.

The wealth effect of the housing/equity bust is best analyzed from the standpoint of the top 20% of the workforce, especially people between ages of 50 and 70.

As far as Average Joe is concerned, the big issue is the long term solvency of the Social Security system - specifically, the ability of the federal government to finance the draw-down of the trust fund in the capital markets. Multi-trillion dollar bailouts of Wall Street, banks, the UAW, public sector unions and foreign investors combined with long-term growth in discretionary government consumption masked as stimulus will make this very difficult. Average Joe may get the Social Security check he expects but he and his children will pay for it through much higher taxes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This analysis is based on cross-sectional data and not longitudinal data and this limits its usefulness. However, it does suggest that the wealth effect on Average Joe and his family will be relatively small. If Mr. Joe is mid-career, he views his house as shelter. His net worth has taken a beating on paper but the cost of housing his family is way down. If he moves, he will realize that loss but will spend far less to buy a comparable house in the new community. Average Joe retires on Social Security and a defined benefit pension supplemented with tax-sheltered savings and eventually the equity in his house. His small portfolio has taken a beating but from the long range point of view, this means he will have to work another 6 months or so before he retires or perhaps forgo his dream fishing boat.</p>
<p>The wealth effect of the housing/equity bust is best analyzed from the standpoint of the top 20% of the workforce, especially people between ages of 50 and 70.</p>
<p>As far as Average Joe is concerned, the big issue is the long term solvency of the Social Security system &#8211; specifically, the ability of the federal government to finance the draw-down of the trust fund in the capital markets. Multi-trillion dollar bailouts of Wall Street, banks, the UAW, public sector unions and foreign investors combined with long-term growth in discretionary government consumption masked as stimulus will make this very difficult. Average Joe may get the Social Security check he expects but he and his children will pay for it through much higher taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjay Bapna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sanjay Bapna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Table 16 Amount of Debt of all families, distributed by purpose of debt, 1998-2007 surveys&lt;/b&gt; is telling us where the debt has been incurred. Low interest rates along with high returns on housing resulted in debt being accumulated for &lt;i&gt;&quot;Other residential property&quot;&lt;/i&gt; aka speculative investment, which grew from 6.5% in 2001 to 10.8% in 2007, a change of over &lt;B&gt;4%&lt;/B?. That debt had to be unwound, putting further pressure on housing prices. It is not a paltry sum, considering that the credit card debt was only 3.5% of the debt component in 2007. 

By 2009, credit card debt, as a ratio of total debt, should increase to historic levels since households will need to pay off their speculative debt using unsecured instruments. The insolvent banks have no recourse but to offer unfavorable terms such as 25% interest rate on those loans, putting further burden on households.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Table 16 Amount of Debt of all families, distributed by purpose of debt, 1998-2007 surveys</b> is telling us where the debt has been incurred. Low interest rates along with high returns on housing resulted in debt being accumulated for <i>&#8220;Other residential property&#8221;</i> aka speculative investment, which grew from 6.5% in 2001 to 10.8% in 2007, a change of over <b>4%&lt;/B?. That debt had to be unwound, putting further pressure on housing prices. It is not a paltry sum, considering that the credit card debt was only 3.5% of the debt component in 2007. </p>
<p>By 2009, credit card debt, as a ratio of total debt, should increase to historic levels since households will need to pay off their speculative debt using unsecured instruments. The insolvent banks have no recourse but to offer unfavorable terms such as 25% interest rate on those loans, putting further burden on households.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Thorstein Veblen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thorstein Veblen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given that the S&amp;P 500 is now just over half of its 2007 level, I think those retirement savings estimates may actually be a bit rosy... Although, of course, I understand that households have been doing a bit of saving recently...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the S&amp;P 500 is now just over half of its 2007 level, I think those retirement savings estimates may actually be a bit rosy&#8230; Although, of course, I understand that households have been doing a bit of saving recently&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bigTom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigTom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe Kwak missed one class of asset decline. He lists vehicles as worth the same in 2009 as 2007, but used car prices have plummeted, so I think it unlikely that this item should be held fixed. OTOH, at least most car owners haven&#039;t tried to sell lately, so psychologically they probably don&#039;t realize this particular hit, yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Kwak missed one class of asset decline. He lists vehicles as worth the same in 2009 as 2007, but used car prices have plummeted, so I think it unlikely that this item should be held fixed. OTOH, at least most car owners haven&#8217;t tried to sell lately, so psychologically they probably don&#8217;t realize this particular hit, yet.</p>
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		<title>By: dumdedumdum</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dumdedumdum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ totoro23: Dana Perino is here to help with the writing off of the Bush years -- 

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=215942&amp;title=Final-Message-From-the-White-House]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ totoro23: Dana Perino is here to help with the writing off of the Bush years &#8212; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=215942&#038;title=Final-Message-From-the-White-House" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=215942&#038;title=Final-Message-From-the-White-House</a></p>
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		<title>By: tew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No need to post this message on the site.

I think you mean &quot;taken in 2007&quot; when you write &quot;taking in 2007&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to post this message on the site.</p>
<p>I think you mean &#8220;taken in 2007&#8243; when you write &#8220;taking in 2007&#8243;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is very nice work.  Thanks.

I don&#039;t think I have anything very original to add to the comments above.  Teotac wrote:

&quot;Every 60 to 70 years, our country goes through a financial tsunami like what we are experiencing… I beleive it correlates to the generation that last experienced the pain (my depression-era parents) coming out of power, and their why-bother-saving-when-you-can-borrow children living beyond our means.&quot;

Some time ago, I remember reading (no idea where) that the world travels through two matching 60 year cycles, with inflation and debt spawned crises spaced out by 30 years - it takes a couple of generations for the fear of screwing up due to debt or inflation to die out.  Come 2040 or thereabouts, my daughter will look at her $10 billion monthly paycheck and think &quot;this isn&#039;t buying as much as it used to...&quot;

Dave at 9:02am has it just right, &quot;the wolf is at the door.&quot;  For families who have lived in the Warrens&#039; &quot;two income trap,&quot; the moment of truth is at hand.  The median American analyzed by Professor Kwak sustained their lifestyle with a second income, credit cards and mortgage equity withdrawal.  Calculated Risk rang the tocsin on MEW, a form of dis-saving.  With that source of &quot;income&quot; switched off for decades, and unemployment biting, lots of people are going under.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very nice work.  Thanks.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I have anything very original to add to the comments above.  Teotac wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Every 60 to 70 years, our country goes through a financial tsunami like what we are experiencing… I beleive it correlates to the generation that last experienced the pain (my depression-era parents) coming out of power, and their why-bother-saving-when-you-can-borrow children living beyond our means.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some time ago, I remember reading (no idea where) that the world travels through two matching 60 year cycles, with inflation and debt spawned crises spaced out by 30 years &#8211; it takes a couple of generations for the fear of screwing up due to debt or inflation to die out.  Come 2040 or thereabouts, my daughter will look at her $10 billion monthly paycheck and think &#8220;this isn&#8217;t buying as much as it used to&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Dave at 9:02am has it just right, &#8220;the wolf is at the door.&#8221;  For families who have lived in the Warrens&#8217; &#8220;two income trap,&#8221; the moment of truth is at hand.  The median American analyzed by Professor Kwak sustained their lifestyle with a second income, credit cards and mortgage equity withdrawal.  Calculated Risk rang the tocsin on MEW, a form of dis-saving.  With that source of &#8220;income&#8221; switched off for decades, and unemployment biting, lots of people are going under.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it would be interesting to look for a correlation between macroeconomic figures and household savings/spending rates over a longer span of 15-20 years during the, as they call it, Great Moderation]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it would be interesting to look for a correlation between macroeconomic figures and household savings/spending rates over a longer span of 15-20 years during the, as they call it, Great Moderation</p>
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		<title>By: Francis M. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis M. Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe median income and assets is a better indicator than means. It is sobering to realize the number of people existing on below $47,000 a year income. The concentration of wealth in the bourgeois fat-cats who pull up the averages and obscures the problems with illiteracy and lack of upward migration. Until we solve the problems of those below the median, society will continue to want to tax the upper quartile into oblivion. Also, remember that most of the half of society below the median/mean are somebodies customers. Maybe that&#039;s why Walmart and McDonalds are doing well and the bottom has dropped out of luxury goods.

 As for whether you should consult this website or another, that is personal preference. No one is trying to sell you anything, but I suggest that when you try to express an opinion on the Fed&#039;s website they will tell you to buzz off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe median income and assets is a better indicator than means. It is sobering to realize the number of people existing on below $47,000 a year income. The concentration of wealth in the bourgeois fat-cats who pull up the averages and obscures the problems with illiteracy and lack of upward migration. Until we solve the problems of those below the median, society will continue to want to tax the upper quartile into oblivion. Also, remember that most of the half of society below the median/mean are somebodies customers. Maybe that&#8217;s why Walmart and McDonalds are doing well and the bottom has dropped out of luxury goods.</p>
<p> As for whether you should consult this website or another, that is personal preference. No one is trying to sell you anything, but I suggest that when you try to express an opinion on the Fed&#8217;s website they will tell you to buzz off.</p>
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