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		<title>By: Insuring Bankers&#8217; Bonuses &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3243</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Insuring Bankers&#8217; Bonuses &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] heart of the scheme will, most likely, be an insurance arrangement, in which the government (part Treasury and mostly Fed) insures a big part of large banks&#8217; [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: MortgageMod.org - Loan Modification &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Secondary Sources: Bank Plan Criticism, Avoiding Depression, Upside</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3171</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MortgageMod.org - Loan Modification &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Secondary Sources: Bank Plan Criticism, Avoiding Depression, Upside]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to banks and their executives, merely to preserve the illusion of private ownership.&#8221; On his Baseline Scenario blog, Simon Johnson also is critical of the reported plan. &#8220;I would prefer something much simpler [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to banks and their executives, merely to preserve the illusion of private ownership.&#8221; On his Baseline Scenario blog, Simon Johnson also is critical of the reported plan. &#8220;I would prefer something much simpler [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NoteMod.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Secondary Sources: Bank Plan Criticism, Avoiding Depression, Upside</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NoteMod.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Secondary Sources: Bank Plan Criticism, Avoiding Depression, Upside]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to banks and their executives, merely to preserve the illusion of private ownership.&#8221; On his Baseline Scenario blog, Simon Johnson also is critical of the reported plan. &#8220;I would prefer something much simpler [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to banks and their executives, merely to preserve the illusion of private ownership.&#8221; On his Baseline Scenario blog, Simon Johnson also is critical of the reported plan. &#8220;I would prefer something much simpler [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Orfield</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Orfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My conclusion about this mess is the the business leaders and economists of the country have totally failed the rest of us in the the most elemental way and that they should not be trusted to come up with a solution within their clubs.  Their worship of markets led them to rationalize what seemed (and turned out to be)absurdities and the scale of it was so vast that millions of people all over the world will lose opportuntiies for generations.  The banks have reacted to the first TARP in ways that only strongly reinforce the public belief that they are motivated by personal and institutional greed to such an extent that they simply have no idea how the most obvious things look to the people who are paying for this mess.  Since most of the banks have no net assets now, I think government should take them over, fire those who were supposed to be responsible and failed, split them into sensible pieces that will create some real competitution and  restart them as viable private institutions.  I have no confidence that government run by many people who were part of the mess, dealing with banks with massive lobbies and huge staffs who can come up with endless subtrefuges and strategies, is going to be able to work out a deal that is fair to the public and the
next generation of Americans whose future is being mortgaged.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My conclusion about this mess is the the business leaders and economists of the country have totally failed the rest of us in the the most elemental way and that they should not be trusted to come up with a solution within their clubs.  Their worship of markets led them to rationalize what seemed (and turned out to be)absurdities and the scale of it was so vast that millions of people all over the world will lose opportuntiies for generations.  The banks have reacted to the first TARP in ways that only strongly reinforce the public belief that they are motivated by personal and institutional greed to such an extent that they simply have no idea how the most obvious things look to the people who are paying for this mess.  Since most of the banks have no net assets now, I think government should take them over, fire those who were supposed to be responsible and failed, split them into sensible pieces that will create some real competitution and  restart them as viable private institutions.  I have no confidence that government run by many people who were part of the mess, dealing with banks with massive lobbies and huge staffs who can come up with endless subtrefuges and strategies, is going to be able to work out a deal that is fair to the public and the<br />
next generation of Americans whose future is being mortgaged.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Time Economics : Secondary Sources: Bank Plan Criticism, Avoiding Depression, Upside</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3157</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Real Time Economics : Secondary Sources: Bank Plan Criticism, Avoiding Depression, Upside]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to banks and their executives, merely to preserve the illusion of private ownership.&#8221; On his Baseline Scenario blog, Simon Johnson also is critical of the reported plan. &#8220;I would prefer something much simpler [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to banks and their executives, merely to preserve the illusion of private ownership.&#8221; On his Baseline Scenario blog, Simon Johnson also is critical of the reported plan. &#8220;I would prefer something much simpler [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles R. Williams</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3139</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles R. Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A disaster. The Obama administration is imitating the Japanese strategy in the nineties rather than the Swedish strategy: huge stimulus spending that is ineffective, protectionist policies and a bailout of bank investors and managements that leaves a permanently crippled financial sector. The difference is that the Japanese were able to finance their deficits from savings and enjoyed a trade surplus. The stage is being set now for a global depression combined with a collapse in the dollar&#039;s value. It will be Obama&#039;s depression whether or not the tail gets pinned on the donkey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A disaster. The Obama administration is imitating the Japanese strategy in the nineties rather than the Swedish strategy: huge stimulus spending that is ineffective, protectionist policies and a bailout of bank investors and managements that leaves a permanently crippled financial sector. The difference is that the Japanese were able to finance their deficits from savings and enjoyed a trade surplus. The stage is being set now for a global depression combined with a collapse in the dollar&#8217;s value. It will be Obama&#8217;s depression whether or not the tail gets pinned on the donkey.</p>
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		<title>By: Young Economist</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3134</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Young Economist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the Obama policies (bad banks, loss insurance mortgage restructuring, or capital injection) are like Bush policies; that is to protect the benefit of private investors by using the taxpayers’ money. The best way to solve the financial mess is to let the private investors both equity holders and bondholders get losses.

The best solution is called “Value reset”. I mean we should reset the value both the assets and liabilities side of the banks to reflect fair value.

1) Value reset on assets side means that the value that banks hold such as mortgage value should reflect the fair value for lenders and borrowers. This looks like Obama trying to do to reduce foreclosure but doing this way is not going to use any taxpayers’ money but use the loss of banks but it does not add any loss for banks because banks already set aside the provision for the risk of this debt default. It help the process of capitalism go on but the way Obama is trying to do is not comprehensive and will create moral hazard that will cause more and more taxpayers’ money for the intervention. The way to reduce debts of mortgage borrowers will cause loss of banks; therefore, we have to do liabilities reset.

2) Value reset on liabilities side means the value of equity holders and bondholders must reflect losses from investment in the banks. Some banks have to write down all equities part and to transfer sub-ordinated debt or even some of unsecured debts into equities. This is not going to cause any taxpayers’ money and if governments would like to protect money of depositors; they can join debt and equity swap scheme with other bondholders. This is quite fair for taxpayers’ money and we just use Capitalism process suddenly and aggressively to solve the problem rather than delay this process and use Socialism by using taxpayers’ money to protect losses of private investors.

The role of government is to accelerate the value reset process to reflect all fair price and ensure the confidence of new investors that all price reflect the fundamentals not reflect the intervention pricing.

I think the way of US government intervention is like Japan did by protecting the wealth of investors by public money. The intervention will cause the lack of private interest on economic activity because no one can measure risk and return and no one can measure what is fundamental value of investment; therefore, private sectors decide not to invest or invest elsewhere like Japan, Russia. So, if there is too much wrong intervention like this, America will definitely live with long deflated economy like Japan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Obama policies (bad banks, loss insurance mortgage restructuring, or capital injection) are like Bush policies; that is to protect the benefit of private investors by using the taxpayers’ money. The best way to solve the financial mess is to let the private investors both equity holders and bondholders get losses.</p>
<p>The best solution is called “Value reset”. I mean we should reset the value both the assets and liabilities side of the banks to reflect fair value.</p>
<p>1) Value reset on assets side means that the value that banks hold such as mortgage value should reflect the fair value for lenders and borrowers. This looks like Obama trying to do to reduce foreclosure but doing this way is not going to use any taxpayers’ money but use the loss of banks but it does not add any loss for banks because banks already set aside the provision for the risk of this debt default. It help the process of capitalism go on but the way Obama is trying to do is not comprehensive and will create moral hazard that will cause more and more taxpayers’ money for the intervention. The way to reduce debts of mortgage borrowers will cause loss of banks; therefore, we have to do liabilities reset.</p>
<p>2) Value reset on liabilities side means the value of equity holders and bondholders must reflect losses from investment in the banks. Some banks have to write down all equities part and to transfer sub-ordinated debt or even some of unsecured debts into equities. This is not going to cause any taxpayers’ money and if governments would like to protect money of depositors; they can join debt and equity swap scheme with other bondholders. This is quite fair for taxpayers’ money and we just use Capitalism process suddenly and aggressively to solve the problem rather than delay this process and use Socialism by using taxpayers’ money to protect losses of private investors.</p>
<p>The role of government is to accelerate the value reset process to reflect all fair price and ensure the confidence of new investors that all price reflect the fundamentals not reflect the intervention pricing.</p>
<p>I think the way of US government intervention is like Japan did by protecting the wealth of investors by public money. The intervention will cause the lack of private interest on economic activity because no one can measure risk and return and no one can measure what is fundamental value of investment; therefore, private sectors decide not to invest or invest elsewhere like Japan, Russia. So, if there is too much wrong intervention like this, America will definitely live with long deflated economy like Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Abate</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3132</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Abate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 05:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every citizen in this country can go out and purchase Bank of America or Citibank stock if they think it is such a great deal for the banks, and make a killing. 

My concern is who is going to bail the U.S. out as, like the banks and investment banks who bet their future and existence on mathematical models, and theories of asset price movements that proved wrong, we bet our economy on the theory of global warming using mathematical models and theories of the greenhouse impact of a gas that represents only 0.0383% of the atmosphere. (On a flight from NY to LA, 0.0383% of the distance is not even the length of the runway.) What can you do to protect against such insanity?  Buy shares in the companies that will benefit from this global warming insane policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every citizen in this country can go out and purchase Bank of America or Citibank stock if they think it is such a great deal for the banks, and make a killing. </p>
<p>My concern is who is going to bail the U.S. out as, like the banks and investment banks who bet their future and existence on mathematical models, and theories of asset price movements that proved wrong, we bet our economy on the theory of global warming using mathematical models and theories of the greenhouse impact of a gas that represents only 0.0383% of the atmosphere. (On a flight from NY to LA, 0.0383% of the distance is not even the length of the runway.) What can you do to protect against such insanity?  Buy shares in the companies that will benefit from this global warming insane policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Krebsbach</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Krebsbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monopolies are clearly harmful to economies and consumers, and the Justice Dept. is tasked with breaking up monopolies.  

It is apparent that &quot;too big to fail&quot; financial firms are also detrimental to economies, and actions should be taken by the government to prevent their formation and to break up existing ones.  

Clearly the &quot;financial super market&quot; model exemplefied by Citigroup does not work. 
 
I also wonder if there is an economic advantage to having a bank which is national in scale in a country the size of the U.S.?  Are not regional banks quite capable of providing the same services as national banks?  

If anything, the financial crisis has led to even bigger firms than we had before as supposedly healthy companies such as BofA took over sick ones like Countrywide and Merrill Lynch (and became sick themselves as a result).  At some point these mergers need to be reversed.        

I would agree that one overriding policy goal which the country should adopt as a result of this financial crisis is the break up and future prevention of very large financial institutions.  

This is not an issue of the government interfering in the private sector.  It is an issue of the government doing what is necessary to maintain the integrity and health of the financial system and the economy as a whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monopolies are clearly harmful to economies and consumers, and the Justice Dept. is tasked with breaking up monopolies.  </p>
<p>It is apparent that &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; financial firms are also detrimental to economies, and actions should be taken by the government to prevent their formation and to break up existing ones.  </p>
<p>Clearly the &#8220;financial super market&#8221; model exemplefied by Citigroup does not work. </p>
<p>I also wonder if there is an economic advantage to having a bank which is national in scale in a country the size of the U.S.?  Are not regional banks quite capable of providing the same services as national banks?  </p>
<p>If anything, the financial crisis has led to even bigger firms than we had before as supposedly healthy companies such as BofA took over sick ones like Countrywide and Merrill Lynch (and became sick themselves as a result).  At some point these mergers need to be reversed.        </p>
<p>I would agree that one overriding policy goal which the country should adopt as a result of this financial crisis is the break up and future prevention of very large financial institutions.  </p>
<p>This is not an issue of the government interfering in the private sector.  It is an issue of the government doing what is necessary to maintain the integrity and health of the financial system and the economy as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Morton-Haworth</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Morton-Haworth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[China seems sensibly reluctant to buy further US Treasury bonds (see http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE50U1RJ20090131). But will this put an end to bailing out the morally-bankrupt? 

Can rampant inflation from printing so much money, which impoverishes everyone, still be less &quot;ghastly&quot; than failing to guarantee the banks&#039; liabilities? 

Or is it that economists and politicians stand to lose so much as individuals that they will continue to say that banking defaults are the greater evil for the community as a whole than runaway inflation?

In the fateful words of Sophocles: We must until the evening to see how fine the day has been.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China seems sensibly reluctant to buy further US Treasury bonds (see <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE50U1RJ20090131" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE50U1RJ20090131</a>). But will this put an end to bailing out the morally-bankrupt? </p>
<p>Can rampant inflation from printing so much money, which impoverishes everyone, still be less &#8220;ghastly&#8221; than failing to guarantee the banks&#8217; liabilities? </p>
<p>Or is it that economists and politicians stand to lose so much as individuals that they will continue to say that banking defaults are the greater evil for the community as a whole than runaway inflation?</p>
<p>In the fateful words of Sophocles: We must until the evening to see how fine the day has been.</p>
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		<title>By: Linus Wilson</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linus Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have some more recommended reading for the current administrations economic policy team:

Chaney, Paul K., and Anjan V. Thakor, (1985), “Incentive Effects of Benevolent Intervention, the Case of Government Loan Guarantees,” Journal of Public Economics, 26, 169-189.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some more recommended reading for the current administrations economic policy team:</p>
<p>Chaney, Paul K., and Anjan V. Thakor, (1985), “Incentive Effects of Benevolent Intervention, the Case of Government Loan Guarantees,” Journal of Public Economics, 26, 169-189.</p>
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		<title>By: Linus Wilson</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linus Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Allstate Insurance doesn&#039;t sell flood insurance when the named hurricane is in the Gulf of Mexico... Insurance schemes a bad deal for taxpayers. We can only hope such a trial balloon pops.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allstate Insurance doesn&#8217;t sell flood insurance when the named hurricane is in the Gulf of Mexico&#8230; Insurance schemes a bad deal for taxpayers. We can only hope such a trial balloon pops.</p>
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		<title>By: self-evident &#187; I hope this is a joke</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[self-evident &#187; I hope this is a joke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] found this article via The Baseline Scenario: Transparency And Power.  Do not miss this piece!  Prof. Johnson expects Treasury&#8217;s committment to be magnified by [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] found this article via The Baseline Scenario: Transparency And Power.  Do not miss this piece!  Prof. Johnson expects Treasury&#8217;s committment to be magnified by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;executive compensation&quot; thing is just part of the politics.  As long as Congress and the media focus their energies on that issue, they will not make any noise about the far larger transfer of taxpayer wealth to the counterparties, creditors, and shareholders of the banks.  Then we get a few days of &quot;worry&quot; that the bill won&#039;t pass.  Then the Obama administration will &quot;compromise&quot; by adding some minor concession on executive comp., and the Congress will &quot;come together&quot;, declare victory, and give the banks their trillion-dollar handout.

This is exactly what happened with TARP I, you may remember.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;executive compensation&#8221; thing is just part of the politics.  As long as Congress and the media focus their energies on that issue, they will not make any noise about the far larger transfer of taxpayer wealth to the counterparties, creditors, and shareholders of the banks.  Then we get a few days of &#8220;worry&#8221; that the bill won&#8217;t pass.  Then the Obama administration will &#8220;compromise&#8221; by adding some minor concession on executive comp., and the Congress will &#8220;come together&#8221;, declare victory, and give the banks their trillion-dollar handout.</p>
<p>This is exactly what happened with TARP I, you may remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/31/transparency-and-power/#comment-3123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great.  So when do we march on D.C. with firearms?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great.  So when do we march on D.C. with firearms?</p>
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