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	<title>Comments on: Global Consequences of a US &#8220;Bad Bank&#8221; Aggregator: It&#8217;s Mostly Fiscal</title>
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		<title>By: efw</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/01/18/global-consequences-of-a-us-bad-bank-aggregator-its-mostly-fiscal/#comment-2781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[efw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don F....Today in the NYT, Paul Krugmann writes in support of temporary nationalization of banks that have so many toxic assets that they are already dependent on government capital to avoid failure. And because there is no market for some of their assets there is no way of knowing how much additional capital they will need. 
It could be that if the toxic assets only are removed from these banks, they may not resemble banks at all. Investors don&#039;t trust the value of their mortgage backed securities, nor their credit card loans, nor their commercial loans, nor their car loans... so what would be left (I know that Citi has stored alot of crude in super tankers, so i guess that would be left).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don F&#8230;.Today in the NYT, Paul Krugmann writes in support of temporary nationalization of banks that have so many toxic assets that they are already dependent on government capital to avoid failure. And because there is no market for some of their assets there is no way of knowing how much additional capital they will need.<br />
It could be that if the toxic assets only are removed from these banks, they may not resemble banks at all. Investors don&#8217;t trust the value of their mortgage backed securities, nor their credit card loans, nor their commercial loans, nor their car loans&#8230; so what would be left (I know that Citi has stored alot of crude in super tankers, so i guess that would be left).</p>
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		<title>By: william schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[william schwartz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not economist but if root of problem is bad mortgages (toxic assets) that remain a moving target  because values of homes and/or homeowners resources continue to spiral down, then stopping the spiral is key. There is money out there (treasury) but  giving to banks, the very institutions that got us here, why not feed the system from the bottom up, give money to the homeowners who are in trouble, in the form of Housing Stamps, returns stability to debts and floor to the downward spiral.. ??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not economist but if root of problem is bad mortgages (toxic assets) that remain a moving target  because values of homes and/or homeowners resources continue to spiral down, then stopping the spiral is key. There is money out there (treasury) but  giving to banks, the very institutions that got us here, why not feed the system from the bottom up, give money to the homeowners who are in trouble, in the form of Housing Stamps, returns stability to debts and floor to the downward spiral.. ??</p>
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		<title>By: Tom K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Roy H, 

Your knowledge of the current state of lending seems to differ from that of the New York Times.  In an article posted yesterday, &quot;Cost of Borrowing Zooms Up for Corporations&quot;, the authors of the article state:  

&quot;Companies with poor credit ratings are virtually locked out of credit markets or face the prospect of paying 20 percent interest. Many of them are slashing costs, canceling projects or putting assets up for sale to avoid defaulting on their debts.&quot;  

This is the URL:  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/19/business/economy/19debt.html?adxnnl=1&amp;ref=business&amp;adxnnlx=1232398820-OoSEcRm5FUE+bVclkuS3yA

It would seem that many businesses, particularly small businesses, cannot find credit that is not attached to exhorbitantly high interest rates.  Such high interest rates undercut the bottom line and threaten to throw many of these firms into bankruptcy if they choose to accept them.   

You state, &quot;Credit standards are returning to normal.  Long overdue.&quot;  I would agree.  But I don&#039;t think we are there yet.  

Dear Mr. norstadt, 

Are you familiar with the term HYPERBOLE?  Please look it up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Roy H, </p>
<p>Your knowledge of the current state of lending seems to differ from that of the New York Times.  In an article posted yesterday, &#8220;Cost of Borrowing Zooms Up for Corporations&#8221;, the authors of the article state:  </p>
<p>&#8220;Companies with poor credit ratings are virtually locked out of credit markets or face the prospect of paying 20 percent interest. Many of them are slashing costs, canceling projects or putting assets up for sale to avoid defaulting on their debts.&#8221;  </p>
<p>This is the URL:  <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/19/business/economy/19debt.html?adxnnl=1&#038;ref=business&#038;adxnnlx=1232398820-OoSEcRm5FUE+bVclkuS3yA" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/19/business/economy/19debt.html?adxnnl=1&#038;ref=business&#038;adxnnlx=1232398820-OoSEcRm5FUE+bVclkuS3yA</a></p>
<p>It would seem that many businesses, particularly small businesses, cannot find credit that is not attached to exhorbitantly high interest rates.  Such high interest rates undercut the bottom line and threaten to throw many of these firms into bankruptcy if they choose to accept them.   </p>
<p>You state, &#8220;Credit standards are returning to normal.  Long overdue.&#8221;  I would agree.  But I don&#8217;t think we are there yet.  </p>
<p>Dear Mr. norstadt, </p>
<p>Are you familiar with the term HYPERBOLE?  Please look it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Don F.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don F.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great idea, efw! Let&#039;s nationalize everything, pool all individual assets (your wealth, my wealth, Bill Gates wealth, ....) and create a one big, happy family. Let&#039;s put everyone to work, but pay them in bread and meat (not money). I guess that is your idea of America. Not mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea, efw! Let&#8217;s nationalize everything, pool all individual assets (your wealth, my wealth, Bill Gates wealth, &#8230;.) and create a one big, happy family. Let&#8217;s put everyone to work, but pay them in bread and meat (not money). I guess that is your idea of America. Not mine.</p>
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		<title>By: norstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[norstadt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom K says: &quot;The economy has ground to a halt because the oil that lubricates the system, credit, is non-existent.&quot;

You are exaggerating, Tom K.  The economy hasn&#039;t ground to a halt.  There&#039;s still almost as much activity this year as last year. 

Basic fairness says that those responsible for financial losses should bear them.  Without fairness we don&#039;t have a society worth defending, which is a lot more important than having extra &quot;oil to lubricate the system&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom K says: &#8220;The economy has ground to a halt because the oil that lubricates the system, credit, is non-existent.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are exaggerating, Tom K.  The economy hasn&#8217;t ground to a halt.  There&#8217;s still almost as much activity this year as last year. </p>
<p>Basic fairness says that those responsible for financial losses should bear them.  Without fairness we don&#8217;t have a society worth defending, which is a lot more important than having extra &#8220;oil to lubricate the system&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: efw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[efw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many millons of US workers (but likely very few economists) have lost their jobs to the &quot;creative destruction&quot; of the free markets. And those same folks watched the free market cause alot of misery by driving crude prices to $147 this past summer. 
As the financial crisis has exploded,most of the US voters are have been sideline spectators and haven&#039;t had much input to the solution. Whilst the folks who caused this problem and their apologists have tried to resolve it, partially successfully.
The crisis of confidence extends beyond bank lending. There is a developing crisis of confidence among US voters in the existing US free market and in the religion of globalization.
We cannot, in a democracy, have a system of economic beliefs that lets poor decisions dramatically disadvantage so many. Unlike the laws of physics,the the &quot;laws&quot; of economics can be modified by government.
So it is time to subject banks to the &quot;creative destruction&quot; of nationalization. And it is time to have a nationalistic economic policy. For instance, if Pres. Obama wants to put Americans back to then he cannot allow the jobs  created to be outsourced or filled by nonresidents via work visas or immigration.
At least the US has the resources and hopefully the political will to tackle its problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many millons of US workers (but likely very few economists) have lost their jobs to the &#8220;creative destruction&#8221; of the free markets. And those same folks watched the free market cause alot of misery by driving crude prices to $147 this past summer.<br />
As the financial crisis has exploded,most of the US voters are have been sideline spectators and haven&#8217;t had much input to the solution. Whilst the folks who caused this problem and their apologists have tried to resolve it, partially successfully.<br />
The crisis of confidence extends beyond bank lending. There is a developing crisis of confidence among US voters in the existing US free market and in the religion of globalization.<br />
We cannot, in a democracy, have a system of economic beliefs that lets poor decisions dramatically disadvantage so many. Unlike the laws of physics,the the &#8220;laws&#8221; of economics can be modified by government.<br />
So it is time to subject banks to the &#8220;creative destruction&#8221; of nationalization. And it is time to have a nationalistic economic policy. For instance, if Pres. Obama wants to put Americans back to then he cannot allow the jobs  created to be outsourced or filled by nonresidents via work visas or immigration.<br />
At least the US has the resources and hopefully the political will to tackle its problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy H</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom K

I know of no one who cannot obtain financing using traditional underwriting criteria.

Credit standards are returning to normal. Long overdue.

A related issue does perplex me. Banks&#039; loan to deposit ratios are near 100%. At one time, 85% was considered high.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom K</p>
<p>I know of no one who cannot obtain financing using traditional underwriting criteria.</p>
<p>Credit standards are returning to normal. Long overdue.</p>
<p>A related issue does perplex me. Banks&#8217; loan to deposit ratios are near 100%. At one time, 85% was considered high.</p>
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		<title>By: Pawel D.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pawel D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guys before you continue to whinge, whine, and moan about having to rescue US banks with your tax dollars ponder the following: at least the US if need be can print its own currency to prop up its own banks. Sure tax payers end up with more debt, and a currency that is worth less, but the financial system survives more or less intact.

This is not the case in Europe. The biggest downside risk to the global economy is not in the form of the US banking system blowing up, but those in of some European countries. Pause for a moment to consider the list below of countries and the liabilities of their banking systems as % of GDP:

1. Small countries, large banking system, own currency:
Sweden 900%+ 
Switzerland 900%+ 
Denmark 300%+

2. Small country large banking system, Euro:
Luxemburg 3400%
Ireland 950% 
Malta 760%
Cyprus 620%

Ooops! If push comes to shove how are the tax payers of those countries going to bail out their banking systems? They can not print dollars or Euros. The German tax payer isn&#039;t going to rescue Irish banks -- well, he might have to but there is no mechanism for that.  If you thought Lehman was a mess you might have to think twice....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys before you continue to whinge, whine, and moan about having to rescue US banks with your tax dollars ponder the following: at least the US if need be can print its own currency to prop up its own banks. Sure tax payers end up with more debt, and a currency that is worth less, but the financial system survives more or less intact.</p>
<p>This is not the case in Europe. The biggest downside risk to the global economy is not in the form of the US banking system blowing up, but those in of some European countries. Pause for a moment to consider the list below of countries and the liabilities of their banking systems as % of GDP:</p>
<p>1. Small countries, large banking system, own currency:<br />
Sweden 900%+<br />
Switzerland 900%+<br />
Denmark 300%+</p>
<p>2. Small country large banking system, Euro:<br />
Luxemburg 3400%<br />
Ireland 950%<br />
Malta 760%<br />
Cyprus 620%</p>
<p>Ooops! If push comes to shove how are the tax payers of those countries going to bail out their banking systems? They can not print dollars or Euros. The German tax payer isn&#8217;t going to rescue Irish banks &#8212; well, he might have to but there is no mechanism for that.  If you thought Lehman was a mess you might have to think twice&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Beane</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Beane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that markets are smarter than the smart people attempting to solve this mess.  The prices of bank securities already reflect the fact that the values of their troubled assets are far less than the amounts carried on the books.  Most financial enterprises have steadfastly avoided taking the losses while the markets have steadfastly reduced banks&#039; market equity to more realistic levels reflecting likely value realizations on these assets.  On trading desks, this is called a &quot;hope trade&quot;.  The hope trade and the uncertainty about any institution&#039;s credit value is one reason the entire credit system remains at least congealed and the reason why over 90% of the $0.9 trillion of new bank reserves created in the past year remains on deposit at the Fed.  I think the &quot;aggregator&quot; concept may be the means by which a serious amount of uncertainty gets removed.

Aggregator issues:  A critical element remains pricing of troubled assets into whatever vehicle is to own them.  I have been in hedge funds where &quot;side pockets&quot; are employed to wall off the assets deemed not marketable...investors that have effectively contributed those assets receive their pro-rata share if, as and when some value is realized.  I would suggest that the banks get nothing in direct immediate return for taking troubled assets off their books.  They would receive credits toward whatever value eventuates and enough capital to meet reserve requirements based on their remaining assets. I suspect that this is alot of money.  That capital would be repaid from eventual proceeds of however the bad assets realize when disposed.  I suspect that the taxpayers will foot a large bill, but the interim reduction of uncertainty may be worth the price relative to the never-ending sinkhole that the current incrementalist strategy represents.

Finally....we will need one really good accounting system to track all the side-pockets....a very difficult, but not impossible, task.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that markets are smarter than the smart people attempting to solve this mess.  The prices of bank securities already reflect the fact that the values of their troubled assets are far less than the amounts carried on the books.  Most financial enterprises have steadfastly avoided taking the losses while the markets have steadfastly reduced banks&#8217; market equity to more realistic levels reflecting likely value realizations on these assets.  On trading desks, this is called a &#8220;hope trade&#8221;.  The hope trade and the uncertainty about any institution&#8217;s credit value is one reason the entire credit system remains at least congealed and the reason why over 90% of the $0.9 trillion of new bank reserves created in the past year remains on deposit at the Fed.  I think the &#8220;aggregator&#8221; concept may be the means by which a serious amount of uncertainty gets removed.</p>
<p>Aggregator issues:  A critical element remains pricing of troubled assets into whatever vehicle is to own them.  I have been in hedge funds where &#8220;side pockets&#8221; are employed to wall off the assets deemed not marketable&#8230;investors that have effectively contributed those assets receive their pro-rata share if, as and when some value is realized.  I would suggest that the banks get nothing in direct immediate return for taking troubled assets off their books.  They would receive credits toward whatever value eventuates and enough capital to meet reserve requirements based on their remaining assets. I suspect that this is alot of money.  That capital would be repaid from eventual proceeds of however the bad assets realize when disposed.  I suspect that the taxpayers will foot a large bill, but the interim reduction of uncertainty may be worth the price relative to the never-ending sinkhole that the current incrementalist strategy represents.</p>
<p>Finally&#8230;.we will need one really good accounting system to track all the side-pockets&#8230;.a very difficult, but not impossible, task.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for all the comments.

It appears that it would be helpful if the IMF had ready access to much larger funds sources.  They need the ability to tap lines of credit from large, wealthy countries when the need arises.  These lines of credit could be arranged with the central banks of China, US, Japan, Europe, etc.  

The lines of credit should be drawn upon only in the most extreme circumstances.  

If we are going to have an extremely integrated global economy (and we are definitely headed there, if not there already), then there needs to be a global institution with the ability to put out brush fires.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for all the comments.</p>
<p>It appears that it would be helpful if the IMF had ready access to much larger funds sources.  They need the ability to tap lines of credit from large, wealthy countries when the need arises.  These lines of credit could be arranged with the central banks of China, US, Japan, Europe, etc.  </p>
<p>The lines of credit should be drawn upon only in the most extreme circumstances.  </p>
<p>If we are going to have an extremely integrated global economy (and we are definitely headed there, if not there already), then there needs to be a global institution with the ability to put out brush fires.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Pearson, 

There is a tremendous amount of money on the sidelines right now, not invested in anything that pays a reasonable return.  This is true of the stock market.  It is true of the bond market.  

This is one reason why Treasuries have risen so high and pay such a lousy return (in some cases negative interest).  People don&#039;t want to invest in anything that is not 100% safe.  They want a safe place to park their money, regardless of any yield.  

The creditors and bond holders are ordinary people like you and me with 401 Ks.  They are wealthy individuals like Kerkorian or Buffet.  They are financial institutions like banks and also other corporations and businesses.  

All these people and entities are licking their wounds now and waiting for the right moment to invest in stocks and bonds.  They don&#039;t want to do it until they know that things have returned to normal and they are not going to get burned like the creditors of Lehman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Pearson, </p>
<p>There is a tremendous amount of money on the sidelines right now, not invested in anything that pays a reasonable return.  This is true of the stock market.  It is true of the bond market.  </p>
<p>This is one reason why Treasuries have risen so high and pay such a lousy return (in some cases negative interest).  People don&#8217;t want to invest in anything that is not 100% safe.  They want a safe place to park their money, regardless of any yield.  </p>
<p>The creditors and bond holders are ordinary people like you and me with 401 Ks.  They are wealthy individuals like Kerkorian or Buffet.  They are financial institutions like banks and also other corporations and businesses.  </p>
<p>All these people and entities are licking their wounds now and waiting for the right moment to invest in stocks and bonds.  They don&#8217;t want to do it until they know that things have returned to normal and they are not going to get burned like the creditors of Lehman.</p>
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		<title>By: David Pearson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Pearson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, the above post was directed at Tom K, not Nordstat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, the above post was directed at Tom K, not Nordstat.</p>
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		<title>By: David Pearson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Pearson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Norstadt,

You assume that current creditors are future creditors.  In this, you are mistaken.

Most current &quot;creditors&quot; need to de-lever.  Their ability to offer new credit is zero as long as they cannot de-lever by accessing more capital.  Since equity issuance is near-impossible, the only solution is to reduce debt.  By definition, you cannot reduce and increase debt at the same time.  This is simply indisputable.

So who are these &quot;investors&quot; that need to buy corporate bonds again?  I would argue they are unlevered, and if they are unlevered, then they are not the creditors harmed by the Lehman bankruptcy.  

The best way to help unlevered investors is to provide them with rich returns.  Remember, un-levered returns must be much greater in order to provide the same post-interest return as levered returns.

The only way to create rich unlevered returns is to mark down assets as much as possible.  Only then will new lending begin.  The only way to mark down assets as much as possible is to HARM current creditors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norstadt,</p>
<p>You assume that current creditors are future creditors.  In this, you are mistaken.</p>
<p>Most current &#8220;creditors&#8221; need to de-lever.  Their ability to offer new credit is zero as long as they cannot de-lever by accessing more capital.  Since equity issuance is near-impossible, the only solution is to reduce debt.  By definition, you cannot reduce and increase debt at the same time.  This is simply indisputable.</p>
<p>So who are these &#8220;investors&#8221; that need to buy corporate bonds again?  I would argue they are unlevered, and if they are unlevered, then they are not the creditors harmed by the Lehman bankruptcy.  </p>
<p>The best way to help unlevered investors is to provide them with rich returns.  Remember, un-levered returns must be much greater in order to provide the same post-interest return as levered returns.</p>
<p>The only way to create rich unlevered returns is to mark down assets as much as possible.  Only then will new lending begin.  The only way to mark down assets as much as possible is to HARM current creditors.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom K</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Thaddeus raises an important point.  I don&#039;t know how the heck they are going to value those assets.  

Seems to me the people determining the value should be very conservative.  That way the tax payer is likely to lose less (or even profit).  

The losses the banks take on the sale of the assets can be made up with capital injections in exchange for equity shares.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Thaddeus raises an important point.  I don&#8217;t know how the heck they are going to value those assets.  </p>
<p>Seems to me the people determining the value should be very conservative.  That way the tax payer is likely to lose less (or even profit).  </p>
<p>The losses the banks take on the sale of the assets can be made up with capital injections in exchange for equity shares.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear norstadt,

The whole problem here is that creditors are not willing to lend anymore.  The economy has ground to a halt because the oil that lubricates the system, credit, is non-existent.  

If you punish bond holders, in other words creditors, by making them take a haircut, you exacerbate the problem.  You would make it less likely, rather than more likely, that creditors would be willing to resume lending.  

The authors of this website, along with many other experts, maintain that the credit crisis started when Lehman was allowed to go bankrupt.  The bankruptcy of Lehman demonstrated that we were in a situation where creditors could expect to lose everything.  Nobody knew what kind of financial health a potential counterparty was in.  Under these circumstances, everybody stopped lending.      

One of the primary goals is to get creditors to start lending and to get investors to start buying corporate bonds again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear norstadt,</p>
<p>The whole problem here is that creditors are not willing to lend anymore.  The economy has ground to a halt because the oil that lubricates the system, credit, is non-existent.  </p>
<p>If you punish bond holders, in other words creditors, by making them take a haircut, you exacerbate the problem.  You would make it less likely, rather than more likely, that creditors would be willing to resume lending.  </p>
<p>The authors of this website, along with many other experts, maintain that the credit crisis started when Lehman was allowed to go bankrupt.  The bankruptcy of Lehman demonstrated that we were in a situation where creditors could expect to lose everything.  Nobody knew what kind of financial health a potential counterparty was in.  Under these circumstances, everybody stopped lending.      </p>
<p>One of the primary goals is to get creditors to start lending and to get investors to start buying corporate bonds again.</p>
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