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		<title>By: eRobin</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/12/10/financial-crisis-causes-free-market-ideology/#comment-2024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eRobin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the transition of China from communism to capitalism&quot;

This is a dangerous myth. China is still Communist in the worst sense of the word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the transition of China from communism to capitalism&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a dangerous myth. China is still Communist in the worst sense of the word.</p>
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		<title>By: eRobin</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/12/10/financial-crisis-causes-free-market-ideology/#comment-2023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eRobin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are high school kids who don&#039;t like Rand?  I was only able to appreciate her from the ages of 15 to 17.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are high school kids who don&#8217;t like Rand?  I was only able to appreciate her from the ages of 15 to 17.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kwak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Kwak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cute. I doubt that the free marketers who gave me the $5000 would think they had a claim to get it back. The purpose of the contest was clearly to get high school students who would not otherwise have read Ayn Rand to try her out. They got their money&#039;s worth, and I got mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cute. I doubt that the free marketers who gave me the $5000 would think they had a claim to get it back. The purpose of the contest was clearly to get high school students who would not otherwise have read Ayn Rand to try her out. They got their money&#8217;s worth, and I got mine.</p>
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		<title>By: stewart sprague</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/12/10/financial-crisis-causes-free-market-ideology/#comment-1985</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stewart sprague]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Business cycles always end with the banking system having overgorged in some asset class. Diversification is one of the credit basket, Making lots of loans judged to be of low quality can have only one result; lots of losses. Hence the sub prime loan binge had only one predictable end; it would blow up. That it did then, is no surprise. The only surprise was the timing, which is not really predictable. Mr Prince&#039;s &quot;dancing&quot; comment was a reflection of the times; all of those with some control of the process had abdicated responsibility.

A balkanized regulatory structure supported by diverse political interests, led to turf wars which inhibited proper regulatory oversight. Overleveraing and inadequate credit controls were the main factors leading the current crisis.

That Fannie and Freddie were not the cause of the crisis is clear. They are the poster children of all that went wrong. Political interference over their affairs led to improper regulatory oversight. This allowed them to overlever (bigtime) and put too many low quality assets on their books. Twenty % of their assets are sub prime and with their inadequate capital base, they are toast. FHA appears to be walking in their footsteps.

Very little attention has been paid to the role played by investors in all of this. They are as culpable as those who created the investment products. The apparent lack of investment products led investors to reach for yield which the dealers were only too happy to provide. (Complex derivatives are an example here) This was too much money chasing too few goods. Sounds like a form of inflation to me. The causes of this are pretty complex but probably had it&#039;s genesis from the lack of a true consumer led recession in 2001. Most economists (and certainly all politicians) were terrified that with consummers levered as they were, a &quot;real&quot; recession should be avoided at all costs. Mr. Greenspan was only too happy to oblige. And here we are today.

Complex derivatives are a problem as no normal mortal can understand them. This is another example of inadequate regulatory supervision (not to mention management and investor stupidity). 

Perhaps this all argues for a benign dictator at the top of the financial pyramid, who will take away the punch bowl at the appropriate time?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Business cycles always end with the banking system having overgorged in some asset class. Diversification is one of the credit basket, Making lots of loans judged to be of low quality can have only one result; lots of losses. Hence the sub prime loan binge had only one predictable end; it would blow up. That it did then, is no surprise. The only surprise was the timing, which is not really predictable. Mr Prince&#8217;s &#8220;dancing&#8221; comment was a reflection of the times; all of those with some control of the process had abdicated responsibility.</p>
<p>A balkanized regulatory structure supported by diverse political interests, led to turf wars which inhibited proper regulatory oversight. Overleveraing and inadequate credit controls were the main factors leading the current crisis.</p>
<p>That Fannie and Freddie were not the cause of the crisis is clear. They are the poster children of all that went wrong. Political interference over their affairs led to improper regulatory oversight. This allowed them to overlever (bigtime) and put too many low quality assets on their books. Twenty % of their assets are sub prime and with their inadequate capital base, they are toast. FHA appears to be walking in their footsteps.</p>
<p>Very little attention has been paid to the role played by investors in all of this. They are as culpable as those who created the investment products. The apparent lack of investment products led investors to reach for yield which the dealers were only too happy to provide. (Complex derivatives are an example here) This was too much money chasing too few goods. Sounds like a form of inflation to me. The causes of this are pretty complex but probably had it&#8217;s genesis from the lack of a true consumer led recession in 2001. Most economists (and certainly all politicians) were terrified that with consummers levered as they were, a &#8220;real&#8221; recession should be avoided at all costs. Mr. Greenspan was only too happy to oblige. And here we are today.</p>
<p>Complex derivatives are a problem as no normal mortal can understand them. This is another example of inadequate regulatory supervision (not to mention management and investor stupidity). </p>
<p>Perhaps this all argues for a benign dictator at the top of the financial pyramid, who will take away the punch bowl at the appropriate time?</p>
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		<title>By: James Kwak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Kwak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea that Fannie and Freddie caused the housing crisis is pretty much a myth. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2008/10/cra_fannie_and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Econbrowser&lt;/a&gt; for example. The idea that Democrats somehow prevented John McCain and the Republicans from &quot;reining in&quot; Fannie and Freddie is complicated by the fact that the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress for most of the last fourteen years and controlled the House (where Barney Frank sits) from 1994 to 2006. 

Fannie and Freddie were by no means perfect. They lobbied both sides of the aisle heavily and had powerful allies on both sides. They took excessive risks in order to juice returns and therefore executive compensation, knowing that they had an implicit government guarantee. They had a major accounting scandal. But they didn&#039;t cause the housing crisis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that Fannie and Freddie caused the housing crisis is pretty much a myth. See <a href="http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2008/10/cra_fannie_and.html" rel="nofollow">Econbrowser</a> for example. The idea that Democrats somehow prevented John McCain and the Republicans from &#8220;reining in&#8221; Fannie and Freddie is complicated by the fact that the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress for most of the last fourteen years and controlled the House (where Barney Frank sits) from 1994 to 2006. </p>
<p>Fannie and Freddie were by no means perfect. They lobbied both sides of the aisle heavily and had powerful allies on both sides. They took excessive risks in order to juice returns and therefore executive compensation, knowing that they had an implicit government guarantee. They had a major accounting scandal. But they didn&#8217;t cause the housing crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Ritter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Ritter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was it excessive deregulation and excessive free market idealogy that caused Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) and other Democrats to prevent reigning in Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac as these government-sponsored enterprises guaranteed mortgages against default? Housing prices wouldn&#039;t have gone so high in Las Vegas, Miami, Phoenix, the Inland Empire of California, and other overvalued markets at the height of the housing bubble if it was not for these guarantees. And for over two decades, both Republicans and Democrats in Congress and the White House opposed the expensing of employee stock options. Countries with more interventionist governments have had stock- and housing-market bubbles, too (think Japan in the 1980s). A problem for regulators is that when stock or housing prices begin to get overvalued, there is enormous pressure put on the regulators to not engage in policies that would cause a drop in prices. For example, as the housing bubble inflated in the U.S. this decade, all of the government policies were aimed at boosting demand. Most of the private sector failed to see how risky many of the mortgage loans had become, but so did government regulators and elected officials.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it excessive deregulation and excessive free market idealogy that caused Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) and other Democrats to prevent reigning in Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac as these government-sponsored enterprises guaranteed mortgages against default? Housing prices wouldn&#8217;t have gone so high in Las Vegas, Miami, Phoenix, the Inland Empire of California, and other overvalued markets at the height of the housing bubble if it was not for these guarantees. And for over two decades, both Republicans and Democrats in Congress and the White House opposed the expensing of employee stock options. Countries with more interventionist governments have had stock- and housing-market bubbles, too (think Japan in the 1980s). A problem for regulators is that when stock or housing prices begin to get overvalued, there is enormous pressure put on the regulators to not engage in policies that would cause a drop in prices. For example, as the housing bubble inflated in the U.S. this decade, all of the government policies were aimed at boosting demand. Most of the private sector failed to see how risky many of the mortgage loans had become, but so did government regulators and elected officials.</p>
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		<title>By: Petter K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/12/10/financial-crisis-causes-free-market-ideology/#comment-1965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Petter K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even without stock options, CEOs (and other leaders) have an incentive for excessive risk taking and bold moves.

Many top executives are already very comfortable financially, and motivated by a desire for recognition as &quot;great leaders&quot;.  Such recognition tends not to go to the leaders who employ sound but conservative strategies.  Instead, we celebrate the leaders who in a &quot;visionary&quot; way set a business or a country upon a new path and succeeded.  Never mind if it was a crazy risk ex ante.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even without stock options, CEOs (and other leaders) have an incentive for excessive risk taking and bold moves.</p>
<p>Many top executives are already very comfortable financially, and motivated by a desire for recognition as &#8220;great leaders&#8221;.  Such recognition tends not to go to the leaders who employ sound but conservative strategies.  Instead, we celebrate the leaders who in a &#8220;visionary&#8221; way set a business or a country upon a new path and succeeded.  Never mind if it was a crazy risk ex ante.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom K</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/12/10/financial-crisis-causes-free-market-ideology/#comment-1963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that the U.S. government stepped in to partially nationalize a company like AIG should be repugnant to all.  Yet, not to have done so, apparently risked a total collapse of the financial system.

The government is not without blame on this.  The silly ideology of the goodness of the unfettered market far too long dominated even in the Congress.  This led to poor oversight and lax regulation of the market.  In the end, the government had to intervene to save Wall Street from itself.  The alternative would have been a devastating depression.  

While the partial nationalization of a number of large companies is clearly a temporary but extreme measure, I would hate to contemplate the situation now if the government had simply taken a hands off approach.  Those &quot;purists&quot; who argue for such a hands off approach are clearly living in a fantasy world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the U.S. government stepped in to partially nationalize a company like AIG should be repugnant to all.  Yet, not to have done so, apparently risked a total collapse of the financial system.</p>
<p>The government is not without blame on this.  The silly ideology of the goodness of the unfettered market far too long dominated even in the Congress.  This led to poor oversight and lax regulation of the market.  In the end, the government had to intervene to save Wall Street from itself.  The alternative would have been a devastating depression.  </p>
<p>While the partial nationalization of a number of large companies is clearly a temporary but extreme measure, I would hate to contemplate the situation now if the government had simply taken a hands off approach.  Those &#8220;purists&#8221; who argue for such a hands off approach are clearly living in a fantasy world.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always find it difficult to sift through the partisan aspects of analsyis.

It seems that the Repbublican analysis always wants to say that Fannie/Freddie (democratic darlings to be sure) and their &quot;mandate&quot; to get lower income folks into homes of their own is the real root cause that dwars all others.

Democratic analysis seems to always want to pin the blame on deregulation and a lack of oversight (clipping republican devotion to free markets and smaller government.

The truth is probably both. What disappoints me is when smart folks (like James) fail to incorporate or respond to the best arguments of other positions.  If Fannie/Freddie were critical (as Rebpublicans like to say), how can a thoughtful analysis not even addrees them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always find it difficult to sift through the partisan aspects of analsyis.</p>
<p>It seems that the Repbublican analysis always wants to say that Fannie/Freddie (democratic darlings to be sure) and their &#8220;mandate&#8221; to get lower income folks into homes of their own is the real root cause that dwars all others.</p>
<p>Democratic analysis seems to always want to pin the blame on deregulation and a lack of oversight (clipping republican devotion to free markets and smaller government.</p>
<p>The truth is probably both. What disappoints me is when smart folks (like James) fail to incorporate or respond to the best arguments of other positions.  If Fannie/Freddie were critical (as Rebpublicans like to say), how can a thoughtful analysis not even addrees them?</p>
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		<title>By: John Donohue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Donohue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the fall of the Soviet Union and the transition of China from communism to capitalism, there ought to be a large pool of planners looking for work out there we could tap for this task of accelerating the nationalization of America.

Hiring them would be a brave token of America&#039;s willingness to put our economy onto the International regulatory stage. And diverse too!

They&#039;re experienced. They&#039;re rested. They&#039;re ruthless. Go gettem Mr. Obama.

John Donohue
Pasadena, CA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the fall of the Soviet Union and the transition of China from communism to capitalism, there ought to be a large pool of planners looking for work out there we could tap for this task of accelerating the nationalization of America.</p>
<p>Hiring them would be a brave token of America&#8217;s willingness to put our economy onto the International regulatory stage. And diverse too!</p>
<p>They&#8217;re experienced. They&#8217;re rested. They&#8217;re ruthless. Go gettem Mr. Obama.</p>
<p>John Donohue<br />
Pasadena, CA</p>
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		<title>By: J Rolfes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Rolfes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems we need BETTER or more effective regulations, not more.  Perhaps we need to figure out ways to better align CEO&#039;s short term decisions with long-term results.  Most stock options vest over a couple years and expire 3 months after retirement or termination.  Perhaps for upper level management, they should vest over a longer period, and be excercisable/saleable only in retirement, with a limited amount, 10-20% per year perhaps, being excercisable per year.  So if their decisions bring down the company after they leave, they will feel the pain along with the shareholders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems we need BETTER or more effective regulations, not more.  Perhaps we need to figure out ways to better align CEO&#8217;s short term decisions with long-term results.  Most stock options vest over a couple years and expire 3 months after retirement or termination.  Perhaps for upper level management, they should vest over a longer period, and be excercisable/saleable only in retirement, with a limited amount, 10-20% per year perhaps, being excercisable per year.  So if their decisions bring down the company after they leave, they will feel the pain along with the shareholders.</p>
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		<title>By: Yasser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yasser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very informative post. From this post and after reading the article by Joseph Stiglitz, I think lack of regulation tops as the cause of turmoil. The bond rating agencies should have done an &quot;on their toes&quot; job, but they have not been objective. Liquidity river, when it was flowing, needed embankments. If the rating agencies did an active job, these guided stoppers could have been set up ahead of time, before the flood. 

When markers, in terms of these agencies, are present, then all that is needed is to pay heed to those markers and things would be OK. The demand for government regulation arises out of the fact that people do things that are not good for them. Just like smoking. There is a warning sign on the box, but people smoke. However, if there is a ban on public smoking, then only you see a significant effect that really discourages people to smoke. 

Warning signs in terms of bond rating are not enough. People need to be sent to prison for violating certain financial rules. Then only, we would see intelligent finance take hold.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very informative post. From this post and after reading the article by Joseph Stiglitz, I think lack of regulation tops as the cause of turmoil. The bond rating agencies should have done an &#8220;on their toes&#8221; job, but they have not been objective. Liquidity river, when it was flowing, needed embankments. If the rating agencies did an active job, these guided stoppers could have been set up ahead of time, before the flood. </p>
<p>When markers, in terms of these agencies, are present, then all that is needed is to pay heed to those markers and things would be OK. The demand for government regulation arises out of the fact that people do things that are not good for them. Just like smoking. There is a warning sign on the box, but people smoke. However, if there is a ban on public smoking, then only you see a significant effect that really discourages people to smoke. </p>
<p>Warning signs in terms of bond rating are not enough. People need to be sent to prison for violating certain financial rules. Then only, we would see intelligent finance take hold.</p>
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		<title>By: John Donohue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Donohue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So when are you going to return the $5000 you got for your Ayn Rand essay? 

John Donohue
Pasadena, CA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when are you going to return the $5000 you got for your Ayn Rand essay? </p>
<p>John Donohue<br />
Pasadena, CA</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Morton-Haworth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Morton-Haworth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting. The deeper question is, therefore, why did free market ideology come to the fore.

And if, as you say in your class, regulators privately despair (54 in the US alone controlling huge institutions not merely US but global in scope), how is any more regulation going to make any difference?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. The deeper question is, therefore, why did free market ideology come to the fore.</p>
<p>And if, as you say in your class, regulators privately despair (54 in the US alone controlling huge institutions not merely US but global in scope), how is any more regulation going to make any difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Gli Liphon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gli Liphon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another great article James.

I was thinking about the powers and responsibilities that you mention in regards to the Comptroller and FDIC.  Although these agencies have the power to monitor banking institutions, I don&#039;t know where those powers align with their responsibilities.  As far as government agencies go, most are underfunded and understaffed.  If they have authorities or responsibilities that do not correlate to their primary function, it probably gets overlooked.  Honestly, I don&#039;t know if this applies to either of these agencies, but it could explain why their isn&#039;t more done to monitor the banking industry.  In some ways its a good thing, since they already have the regulatory power it might be as simple as defining a framework for utilizing those powers and reporting their findings on a regular basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great article James.</p>
<p>I was thinking about the powers and responsibilities that you mention in regards to the Comptroller and FDIC.  Although these agencies have the power to monitor banking institutions, I don&#8217;t know where those powers align with their responsibilities.  As far as government agencies go, most are underfunded and understaffed.  If they have authorities or responsibilities that do not correlate to their primary function, it probably gets overlooked.  Honestly, I don&#8217;t know if this applies to either of these agencies, but it could explain why their isn&#8217;t more done to monitor the banking industry.  In some ways its a good thing, since they already have the regulatory power it might be as simple as defining a framework for utilizing those powers and reporting their findings on a regular basis.</p>
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