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		<title>By: Global Economic Outlook (Senate Testimony) &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-3061</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global Economic Outlook (Senate Testimony) &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] (Readers who would like more detail on what happened in and since mid-September should refer to the November 10 edition of our baseline scenario.) We then review both the current situation and the likely [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Designer Talk: Bank Recapitalization (and Bair&#8217;s Aggregator) &#171; The Baseline Scenario</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-2710</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Designer Talk: Bank Recapitalization (and Bair&#8217;s Aggregator) &#171; The Baseline Scenario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] post for details; such ideas are consistent with and an update of our proposals from September, November, and December).  But some of the details currently being floated seem less than ideal.  Given [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Cass</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-1974</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How depressing to read both the article and feedback.  Not one participant in this debate even touched on the fact that confidence plummeted when people lost trust because they realised that what was being done was W-R-O-N-G - wrong - in most cases, because they too were behaving unethically. No one was able to recognise the ethics of the issue.  Americans seem to be so obsessed with protecting your &#039;rights&#039; - by codifying every move into rules and law, to ensure you can enforce compliance. It appears you have completely lost any capacity for personal discretion about deciding what is right or wrong, and thus taking personal responsibility.  
One can only pray that the election of Obama may allow some audacity to hope that Americans will actually start to reflect on the fact that actions have consequences and the life lived well is not just about self-interest maximisation at the expense of everyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How depressing to read both the article and feedback.  Not one participant in this debate even touched on the fact that confidence plummeted when people lost trust because they realised that what was being done was W-R-O-N-G &#8211; wrong &#8211; in most cases, because they too were behaving unethically. No one was able to recognise the ethics of the issue.  Americans seem to be so obsessed with protecting your &#8216;rights&#8217; &#8211; by codifying every move into rules and law, to ensure you can enforce compliance. It appears you have completely lost any capacity for personal discretion about deciding what is right or wrong, and thus taking personal responsibility.<br />
One can only pray that the election of Obama may allow some audacity to hope that Americans will actually start to reflect on the fact that actions have consequences and the life lived well is not just about self-interest maximisation at the expense of everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-1723</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[james
can i make a suggestion? i have written several books dealing with subjects that are somewhat similar in nature to what you are doing - they were about subjects everyone was aware of, but which were also sufficiently complex and esoteric to confound and frustrate many readers. i decided that the best way to deal with this was to have a &#039;glossary of terms&#039; section at the end of the book which readers could consult. why don&#039;t you do the same, giving a link some prominence on your opening page. it worked, i think, with me;
best
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>james<br />
can i make a suggestion? i have written several books dealing with subjects that are somewhat similar in nature to what you are doing &#8211; they were about subjects everyone was aware of, but which were also sufficiently complex and esoteric to confound and frustrate many readers. i decided that the best way to deal with this was to have a &#8216;glossary of terms&#8217; section at the end of the book which readers could consult. why don&#8217;t you do the same, giving a link some prominence on your opening page. it worked, i think, with me;<br />
best<br />
ed</p>
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		<title>By: James Kwak</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-1722</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Kwak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a tricky problem. Our audience includes everyone from beginners to specialists. As a result, we have two kinds of posts. Most of our posts, like this one, presume some familiarity with the concepts and vocabulary. If we had to explain what a credit default swap is every time we wanted to use one in a sentence, we would never get through anything. 

For that reason, we also have &quot;beginners&quot; posts, most of which are collected on the Financial Crisis for Beginners page. The idea is that if you read all of those, you should be able to understand all the other posts. If you don&#039;t - that is, if you find a piece of jargon in a regular post that is not explained in a beginners post - let me know and I will put it on the list of stuff to cover in beginners posts. (Right now there is nothing on that list.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a tricky problem. Our audience includes everyone from beginners to specialists. As a result, we have two kinds of posts. Most of our posts, like this one, presume some familiarity with the concepts and vocabulary. If we had to explain what a credit default swap is every time we wanted to use one in a sentence, we would never get through anything. </p>
<p>For that reason, we also have &#8220;beginners&#8221; posts, most of which are collected on the Financial Crisis for Beginners page. The idea is that if you read all of those, you should be able to understand all the other posts. If you don&#8217;t &#8211; that is, if you find a piece of jargon in a regular post that is not explained in a beginners post &#8211; let me know and I will put it on the list of stuff to cover in beginners posts. (Right now there is nothing on that list.)</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[can i ask a question? what is your audience for this stuff? if it is people who are already literate in the gloomy science then fine, they will understand it. but if it is intended to inform and explain to the economically illiterate, then i suggest you are wasting your time. consider the opening sentence which reads: &#039;For at least the last year and a half, as banks took successive writedowns related to deteriorating mortgage-backed securities, the conventional wisdom was that we were facing a crisis of bank solvency triggered by falling housing prices and magnified by leverage. However, falling housing prices and high leverage alone would not necessarily have created the situation we are now in.&#039;
you may understand what a writedown is but most ordinary people don&#039;t have a clue. why can&#039;t you use simpler language or explain terms as you go along?
what does leverage mean to most people? i would suggest that most people equate leverage with influence but in economics/finance it clearly has another meaning - so why don&#039;t you use a simpler term, such as debt, or explain what leverage means. 
now that&#039;s just the first paragraph. god knows what the rest of the piece contains in the way of specialised language and terminology that leaves most people scratching their heads. if you are trying to explain a complex issue to &#039;simple&#039; people then you must use &#039;simple&#039; language. end of lecture, honest!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can i ask a question? what is your audience for this stuff? if it is people who are already literate in the gloomy science then fine, they will understand it. but if it is intended to inform and explain to the economically illiterate, then i suggest you are wasting your time. consider the opening sentence which reads: &#8216;For at least the last year and a half, as banks took successive writedowns related to deteriorating mortgage-backed securities, the conventional wisdom was that we were facing a crisis of bank solvency triggered by falling housing prices and magnified by leverage. However, falling housing prices and high leverage alone would not necessarily have created the situation we are now in.&#8217;<br />
you may understand what a writedown is but most ordinary people don&#8217;t have a clue. why can&#8217;t you use simpler language or explain terms as you go along?<br />
what does leverage mean to most people? i would suggest that most people equate leverage with influence but in economics/finance it clearly has another meaning &#8211; so why don&#8217;t you use a simpler term, such as debt, or explain what leverage means.<br />
now that&#8217;s just the first paragraph. god knows what the rest of the piece contains in the way of specialised language and terminology that leaves most people scratching their heads. if you are trying to explain a complex issue to &#8216;simple&#8217; people then you must use &#8216;simple&#8217; language. end of lecture, honest!</p>
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		<title>By: John Talbutt</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-1607</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Best overview I have read so far.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Brandon Cody</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-1595</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The baseline scenario was well articulated and argued. 

A couple of naive points...

1. Bailout, for the most part, did not expand credit market(s).  Bailout was, effectively, a transfer of liability from private sector firms to public sector [transfer of balance sheets.] Foreign purchase of treasury bonds, without waste by government, is a method of expanding domestic credit market(s). Foreigners would have likely, but not necessarily, invested in U.S. credit markets if interest rates were high(er). 
2. Inflation will occur, from printing of monies, lowering of discount rate, and lowering of federal funds rate, when housing prices re-appreciate.  Crudely stated, a cost of current strategies will be realized at a future date. 
3. Capital Purchase Program creates opportunities for influence peddling. 
4. Changing yield of treasury bonds create profit opportunities in secondary market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The baseline scenario was well articulated and argued. </p>
<p>A couple of naive points&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Bailout, for the most part, did not expand credit market(s).  Bailout was, effectively, a transfer of liability from private sector firms to public sector [transfer of balance sheets.] Foreign purchase of treasury bonds, without waste by government, is a method of expanding domestic credit market(s). Foreigners would have likely, but not necessarily, invested in U.S. credit markets if interest rates were high(er).<br />
2. Inflation will occur, from printing of monies, lowering of discount rate, and lowering of federal funds rate, when housing prices re-appreciate.  Crudely stated, a cost of current strategies will be realized at a future date.<br />
3. Capital Purchase Program creates opportunities for influence peddling.<br />
4. Changing yield of treasury bonds create profit opportunities in secondary market.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-1327</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we all need to take a look at some of our basic assumptions about economic growth, wealth, and GDP.

If economic growth is measured in dollars that are created by fancy financial derivatives, then we are not measuring anything real.  We are finding that much of this so-called growth can disappear in the blink of an eye.

It is very hard to come up with a definition of something with intrinsic value.  Neither money, nor real estate, nor oil, nor gold has any intrinsic value.  Yet our modern world depends on having some measure of value.  When whatever it is at the moment that we think of as the best holder of intrinsic value starts to lose value (meaning whatever the market says it is), then the world goes into turmoil.

Someone could win a Nobel prize for untangling this conundrum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we all need to take a look at some of our basic assumptions about economic growth, wealth, and GDP.</p>
<p>If economic growth is measured in dollars that are created by fancy financial derivatives, then we are not measuring anything real.  We are finding that much of this so-called growth can disappear in the blink of an eye.</p>
<p>It is very hard to come up with a definition of something with intrinsic value.  Neither money, nor real estate, nor oil, nor gold has any intrinsic value.  Yet our modern world depends on having some measure of value.  When whatever it is at the moment that we think of as the best holder of intrinsic value starts to lose value (meaning whatever the market says it is), then the world goes into turmoil.</p>
<p>Someone could win a Nobel prize for untangling this conundrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Laird</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-1271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Laird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A comparison with Canada&#039;s financial system is in order. Remember, they&#039;re just north next door, and integrally linked with the US economy. Canada has some declining demand problems, to no ones surprise, but they do not have bank solvency and liquidity problems. Some one in the US should figure out why.

Also, your situation statement does not adequately describe the level of sleaze, fraud, and conflict of interest in the mortgage markets (origination, rating, securitizing, sales to buy-side) that existed in late 2005, 2006, 2007, and early 2008. When &quot;liar&#039;s loan&quot; entered the common vocabulary in 2007, anyone who was paying attention then knew that a major solvency problem would hit US financial institutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comparison with Canada&#8217;s financial system is in order. Remember, they&#8217;re just north next door, and integrally linked with the US economy. Canada has some declining demand problems, to no ones surprise, but they do not have bank solvency and liquidity problems. Some one in the US should figure out why.</p>
<p>Also, your situation statement does not adequately describe the level of sleaze, fraud, and conflict of interest in the mortgage markets (origination, rating, securitizing, sales to buy-side) that existed in late 2005, 2006, 2007, and early 2008. When &#8220;liar&#8217;s loan&#8221; entered the common vocabulary in 2007, anyone who was paying attention then knew that a major solvency problem would hit US financial institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: David H</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-1251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While most of you have great ideas and economic sense that I admire, The question I would pose is this.

Why did the banks offer mortgages to people who could not pay them back? Someone with an income of 30k, should qualify for no more than 90k, depending on debt load. 50k income, 150k mortgage ALSO figuring in the taxes, insurance AND Mortgage insurance if the down payment was less than 20%. A no down loan should never have existed, I&#039;m not sure if 5% was a good policy...The blame goes on lax restrictions, greed and ........well .......more greed.
Now we all have to pay the piper and it will take some time to pay off the mortgage that was put on OUR futures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While most of you have great ideas and economic sense that I admire, The question I would pose is this.</p>
<p>Why did the banks offer mortgages to people who could not pay them back? Someone with an income of 30k, should qualify for no more than 90k, depending on debt load. 50k income, 150k mortgage ALSO figuring in the taxes, insurance AND Mortgage insurance if the down payment was less than 20%. A no down loan should never have existed, I&#8217;m not sure if 5% was a good policy&#8230;The blame goes on lax restrictions, greed and &#8230;&#8230;..well &#8230;&#8230;.more greed.<br />
Now we all have to pay the piper and it will take some time to pay off the mortgage that was put on OUR futures.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel M. Benson</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-1239</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel M. Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well my friends... the universe is expanding exponentially faster than it ever has before... we are not now even sure of the origin of our universe or/if what its ultimate conclusion/eventual end will be...

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/m51.gif

maybe perhaps this has something to do with the current turmoil on our planet... perhaps it is time to seek a donor planet with new resources since earth&#039;s capacity has almost reached it&#039;s summit or carrying capacity for humans...

dan
master of arts
educational technology
universe city of northern iowa alumnae

(much of my knowledge of critical thinking outside of the box i attribute to frje echeverria, my painting professor) who taught me that the visual learning world of seeing/looking/perceiving is just as or more important than the verbal/talking world of thinking/learning...sometimes our best ideas or solutions come when we quiet our minds and turn off our thinking.... i.e. carlos castaneda &quot;the art of dreaming&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well my friends&#8230; the universe is expanding exponentially faster than it ever has before&#8230; we are not now even sure of the origin of our universe or/if what its ultimate conclusion/eventual end will be&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/m51.gif" rel="nofollow">http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/m51.gif</a></p>
<p>maybe perhaps this has something to do with the current turmoil on our planet&#8230; perhaps it is time to seek a donor planet with new resources since earth&#8217;s capacity has almost reached it&#8217;s summit or carrying capacity for humans&#8230;</p>
<p>dan<br />
master of arts<br />
educational technology<br />
universe city of northern iowa alumnae</p>
<p>(much of my knowledge of critical thinking outside of the box i attribute to frje echeverria, my painting professor) who taught me that the visual learning world of seeing/looking/perceiving is just as or more important than the verbal/talking world of thinking/learning&#8230;sometimes our best ideas or solutions come when we quiet our minds and turn off our thinking&#8230;. i.e. carlos castaneda &#8220;the art of dreaming&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Understanding Debt, Risk and Leverage &#124; BetterExplained</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Understanding Debt, Risk and Leverage &#124; BetterExplained]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] don&#8217;t understand all the dominoes in the financial crisis. In situations like this, it&#8217;s helpful to step away and look at [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Daniel M. Benson</title>
		<link>http://baselinescenario.com/2008/11/10/baseline-scenario-111008/#comment-1234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel M. Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.  Is. 8:16, Rev. 22:10

Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Zech.  13:19, Rev. 14:13; Ps. 1:5

And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 10:4; 
Dan. 8:26

just a few thoughts to consider in our neo post-modern world ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.  Is. 8:16, Rev. 22:10</p>
<p>Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Zech.  13:19, Rev. 14:13; Ps. 1:5</p>
<p>And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 10:4;<br />
Dan. 8:26</p>
<p>just a few thoughts to consider in our neo post-modern world ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: James Kwak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Kwak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Noel: I feel the need to point out that I am not actually a professor, though Simon is.

To respond to your questions: first, it is much easier to be in my chair than in Henry Paulson&#039;s. I freely admit that. You are right that we attribute a lot of significance to the decision to let Lehman and AIG&#039;s creditors lose their money. However, while that was the precipitating cause of the panic, protecting those creditors in particular would not necessarily have prevented the panic. One could argue that the crisis would have just spread to the next investment bank (Morgan Stanley in this case), and it&#039;s not certain that a string of serial bailouts would have prevented some type of credit crisis. And I think it is highly likely that the US at least would have ended up in a recession in any case. However, it&#039;s almost certain that the intense panic of September 15 to October 15 deepened the recession.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel: I feel the need to point out that I am not actually a professor, though Simon is.</p>
<p>To respond to your questions: first, it is much easier to be in my chair than in Henry Paulson&#8217;s. I freely admit that. You are right that we attribute a lot of significance to the decision to let Lehman and AIG&#8217;s creditors lose their money. However, while that was the precipitating cause of the panic, protecting those creditors in particular would not necessarily have prevented the panic. One could argue that the crisis would have just spread to the next investment bank (Morgan Stanley in this case), and it&#8217;s not certain that a string of serial bailouts would have prevented some type of credit crisis. And I think it is highly likely that the US at least would have ended up in a recession in any case. However, it&#8217;s almost certain that the intense panic of September 15 to October 15 deepened the recession.</p>
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